Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[serratia] 24/7/2018 10:51

Between Sept 2017 and July 2nd 2018

Holder

Shares bought

Shares held


Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers Ltd. +2.90m / +95.52% 5.94m
Hargreaves Lansdown Asset Management Ltd. +670.00k / +6.13% 11.59m
Deka Investment GmbH -- 300.00k
Peel Hunt LLP (Market-Maker) +196.00k / +264.86% 270.00k
Investec Wealth & Investment Ltd. +113.00k / +21.24% 645.00k


Holder

Shares sold

Shares held


Lombard Odier Asset Management (Europe) Ltd. -18.72m / -75.12% 6.20m
Miton Asset Management Ltd. -6.76m / -48.34% 7.22m
AlphaGen Capital Ltd. -6.52m / -100.00% 1.00
HSBC Bank Plc (Market-Maker) -161.00k / -7.64% 1.95m
Walker Crips Stockbrokers Ltd. -151.00k / -24.88% 456.00k


Holder

Shares

% Held


Hargreaves Lansdown Asset Management Ltd.as of 01 Jun 2018 11.59m 7.80%
Miton Asset Management Ltd.as of 29 Mar 2018 7.22m 4.86%
Herald Investment Management Ltd.as of 19 Jan 2018 7.09m 4.77%
Lombard Odier Asset Management (Europe) Ltd.as of 06 Nov 2017 6.20m 4.17%
Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers Ltd.as of 30 Jun 2017 5.94m 4.00%
J. M. Finn & Co. Ltd.as of 01 Jun 2018 2.82m 1.90%
HSBC Global Asset Management (UK) Ltd.as of 01 Jun 2018 2.52m 1.69%
Jarvis Investment Management Ltd.as of 01 Jun 2018 2.07m 1.39%
HSBC Bank Plc (Market-Maker)as of 01 Jun 2018 1.95m 1.31%
Alliance Trust Savings Ltd. (Private Banking)as of 01 Jun 2018 1.25m 0.84%

[club sandwich] 24/7/2018 10:44

So either way, not that many shares in free float...?

[henchard] 24/7/2018 10:43

Club - maybe, but there's directors' holdings, other retail brokerages and if 3%+ holdings have to be declared a number of IIs at sub 3% rather than a big holder?

[superg1] 24/7/2018 10:41

It's not the Motley fool as such it's the various authors that put reports on the site.

I've been keeping a track of who has what, it's available to all.

[club sandwich] 24/7/2018 10:39

Henchard - I make that roughly 57% in the hands of one II or another...

[johnveals] 24/7/2018 10:38

Unbelievably shallow analysis from the Fool.

[superg1] 24/7/2018 10:33

I can't help I don't use stops as stops can be another tool for the MM games on a tree shake.

Especially trailing stops. They can take the price up flick it back briefly then clean up on trailing stops.

I have seen dips for seconds on various stocks over the years, a flash of sells then back to where the price was prior. Not once have I been able to get any stock on the price displayed in those circs.

[squire007] 24/7/2018 10:32

If it is quarterly they are late,last one end of March ??

[henchard] 24/7/2018 10:31

"Versarien is currently lossmaking but is a hugely popular stock with private investors. Indeed, the three biggest holdings in the company are represented by the pooled investments of retail clients of Hargreaves Lansdown, Interactive Investor and Halifax Share Dealing."

Hargreaves Lansdown 29,403,985 19.78%
Interactive Investor Trading 13,235,564 8.90%
Halifax Share Dealing 9,621,937 6.47%
William Battrick 7,488,944 5.04%
Barclays Stockbrokers 7,457,649 5.02%
Miton Asset Management 7,223,579 4.86%
Herald Investment Management 5,848,727 3.93%
AJ Bell Securities 5,167,973 3.48%

According to Versarien website (last updated 31 March)

[1teepee] 24/7/2018 10:29

I just tried to place a long spread bet on vrs and couldn't put a stop loss in because apparently it's a market maker stock and doesn't trade electronically. How does it trade then?

[superg1] 24/7/2018 10:23

Squire

That list is well out of date. Companies have to wait for the full verified holdings before they can update it which I think happens quarterly.

EG Lombard went to zero a while back from about 27 million shares doh!. Done when Lombard took on the Henderson fund.

[superg1] 24/7/2018 10:18

Pshevlin

I've been point get info and did a post earlier.

We have two funds holdings and both have been supplying the MMs on this strong rise. I noted the change in the last week of May. As said I have it at about 5 mill plus supplied by the two funds since the last week of May.

Screens not available to me but available to others show when large trades going to MMs Singer is regular feature. Singer were active in that last week of May.

As for a PI or two I'll come back to that at a more appropriate time but that was not for June or July I will explain when relevant, those were a good chunk too.

[squire007] 24/7/2018 10:17

Neill Gareth Ricketts 15,250,000 10.3%
Hargreaves Lansdown Asset Management Ltd. 11,594,000 7.80%
William Battrick 7,488,944 5.04%
Miton Asset Management Ltd. 7,223,579 4.86%
Herald Investment Management Ltd. 7,092,761 4.77%
Lombard Odier Asset Management (Europe) Ltd. 6,200,000 4.17%
Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers Ltd. 5,944,731 4.00%
J. M. Finn & Co. Ltd. 2,824,000 1.90%
HSBC Global Asset Management (UK) Ltd. 2,516,000 1.69%
Jarvis Investment Management Ltd. 2,071,000 1.39%

[squire007] 24/7/2018 10:14

Although VRS has a high institutional ownership, such stock moves, in the short-term, are more commonly linked to a particular type of active institutional investors – hedge funds. For VRS shareholders, the potential of this type of share price volatility shouldn’t be as concerning as hedge fund ownership is is not significant,indicating few chances of such sudden price moves.

[a_game] 24/7/2018 10:13

I suspect the list of 3%+ shareholders would give us a clue. Can't be long left now, as superg said, once they're gone they're gone and we'll be off to new ATHs

[pshevlin] 24/7/2018 10:05

It would be nice to know who Singers big seller is. Who has that quantity of shares to sell? A fund? A Univerity? PI? Any ideas? And, how much more can there be?

[club sandwich] 24/7/2018 09:58

What kept me awake last night was the thought of *what if* all 24 Chinese parties signed, and they each *only* wanted 100T a year of nanene (to start)...

[spike_1] 24/7/2018 09:48

As sg has astutely pointed out, Singer has a big seller. It's interesting that no matter how many are being sold by Singer there is clearly a demand which is outstripping supply (at the moment and at these prices), obviously bodes very well.

And as sg says, and as we have seen several times before, as soon as the supply ends Singer come of the offer the share price will storm ahead once again. (The only caveat being if Singer are being given tranches i.e. a daily supply each day until all finished).

What we do know, is that eventually this supply will end, and you never know - it could be soon.

Best wishes - Mike

[superg1] 24/7/2018 09:42

It won't take long Alchemy. The gains are far too great to ignore. The electric vehicle boom is in play, they want lighter materials, better batteries and longer lasting tyres. Torque in electric cars rips through tyres faster than the combustion engine.

China are not prepared to wait they want to be the graphene version of Silicon Valley and they know who can get them there.

[alchemy] 24/7/2018 09:27

Yes I take the Singer point on board, and at the risk of flattery, other points you make. But the product , its scope the benefits the science enthrall me.Plus I think the 0-60 time might be the fastest yet.And the plural the products , their scope etc. (I recall that personal computing really made it when accountants could buy for themselves. Apple 11e and VisiCalc 1977!). Don't think we'll take 40 years Even from a 2004 base.

[owenga] 24/7/2018 09:27

Nice to see some solid 10k buys gong through at the moment...

[club sandwich] 24/7/2018 09:24

Sent a link to MW and NR yesterday to that appalling shareprophets article. Not even an attempt at balance - no mention of IAI or MW and HMG. Obviously an encouragement to readers to go short to bolster the already-taken position of the people who wrote the article...

As I said, the sooner we get news on China or a collab order and drive these vermin away for good, the happier s'holders will be...

[squire007] 24/7/2018 09:22

Tempted for more ........Mmmmmmmmmmm Oh go on then :-)

[superg1] 24/7/2018 09:17

Put it this way (I do my research)

Since the last week of May (ish) I suspect the funds have handed over 5 mill plus shares to the MMs to date.

In that time we have gone from 65p to where we are now. So it just shows how strong the demand is. It's supposed to work the other way when funds sell BUT the funds have been handing over stock to hungry MMs at very good profits for the funds.

That ignores PI selling.

So what happens when the funds stop or run out :-)

Hopefully really big news will kick in once the fund cupboard is bare. Where will the MMs go then??

[superg1] 24/7/2018 09:11

Alchemy agreed but it's nice to keep an eye on them and get their wrists slapped for the future if appropriate so they know not to try it on again.

As I have have been saying for many weeks now the MM to watch is Singer. Still there so they obviously got a lump from somewhere.

Blindingly obvious to me where from and it won't last forever.

Once the seller is done I suspect we will blast off through 150p.