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[cazzer69] 01/11/2018 16:39

Surely the way to solve the electric car charging problem is to agree on a standardized battery design.
So you drive into a, lets call it "fuel station", your empty battery is dropped out, a fully charged battery is put in and away you go.
The stations charge the empty batteries.
But that would require co-operation and standards.
It's needn't stifle innovation as were only talking about case shape, connections and fixings being standard.

[festario] 01/11/2018 16:38

I enjoyed seeing the large end of day sells going through, getting easily absorbed.... and the bid actually rose higher.This augers well for a further increase in the morning.

[busy builder] 01/11/2018 16:37

You are all talking cars, I'm a joiner/builder and have a van to transport all my tools from job to job as I work on peoples homes rather than building sites.

At the moment there are vans about but with very limited range and as I live in the Highlands and nearest city is Inverness 30 miles away charging points are very few and far between.

At the moment all this talk about doing away with diesels is pie in the sky as far as I can see.

Good to see the share price recovering a bit :-)

[andymoore07] 01/11/2018 16:36

Cazzer69, I strongly suggest you go and have a 69, have a well done me cigarette whilst lying in bed and chill out

[freddievas] 01/11/2018 16:35

Cazzer, it surely will not be beyond the wit of man to create portable EV battery booster chargers, like the ones you can get for your mobile phone. Charge the booster at home overnight and plug it into the battery of your EV parked on the street in the morning to give you a limited range but enough to get you to an EV charging station. Problem solved!

[superg1] 01/11/2018 16:35

Here is the video WELL worth watching.

[occultusverum1] 01/11/2018 16:34

I have to agree with Cazzer. The local infrastructure is the thing that is going to hold adoption up. Will the local substations be able to deal with the additional workload? Will the cabling to premises be able to cope with the additional workload?

[cazzer69] 01/11/2018 16:33

And when it comes to fully autonomous vehicles...
Ponder this scenario. The autonomous vehicle ploughs through a bus queue of people.
Don't say they will never do this, all technology fails at some point.
So who is liable?
Not the driver, he wasn't driving. The owner? Well hardly his fault.
The manufacturer? The manufacturer of the lidar that failed?

I can't be the operator if the operator is a passenger only.
So if not it has to be the manufacturer. If manufacturers have to accept liability for every vehicle they make then either a) they won'd make them in the first place or b) they won't be in business long if they do.

[superg1] 01/11/2018 16:33

There was thst China video too.

Those 2 guys that said in 10 years China had seen incredible transformation te infrastructure and cars.

NR gave a similar story having been blown away in recent visits having been there years before. CFO same story when he went, completely different place.

[andymoore07] 01/11/2018 16:30

LolYou really need to watch the zap and go video, it literally goes in the hole where the oil tank used to be #endofabell

[cazzer69] 01/11/2018 16:28

Because a Petrol station is a hole in the ground with a pump to pump it out of.
Petrol gets delivered to the hole. Anyone can dig a hole and put a pump into it.
It's a totally different thing than a nationwide electric vehicle charging infrastructure.
This isn't a debate on technology. I have said nothing about electric cars, range, battery tech etc. I'm sure the technology will happen. The infrastructure won't.
Maybe it will in central london etc. But for anywhere 10 miles out of a city, forget it for decades.
The best broadband I can get is 10 Meg. No Cable. Even freeview TV near me can only get about 12 channels, and I live 24 miles outside Manchester.
A nationwide charging infrastructure by 2040? Not a chance.

[mj10] 01/11/2018 16:28

alchemy
If you are referring to my post feel free to disagree.
Bear in mind hydrogen buses and trains are already running,just lack the infrastructure just like electric

[the fat controller] 01/11/2018 16:26

cazzer,
Adoption will follow an S curve, slow at first (which is where we are now), and then mass adoption. Yes, I accept that we will need better batteries, an infrastructure that will be able to support mass adoption, and prices that make EV's affordable.

But it will happen. I don't know what percentage of the country live in houses that would allow private car charging, but this is where the revolution will start.

You've been urged to watch the Tony Seba presentation, and i'd reiterate that. It blew me away. He believes that 95% of all car journeys will be by autonomous EV's by 2030. That's a hell of a statement! He also believes that private car ownership will wither away, and that used ICE cars will have a negative value - so you'll have to pay someone to take it away!

Yes, there will be issues; rush hour usage, people who live in remote locations. And yes, he may be wrong about 2030. But it's coming, and those that ignore it will be left behind.

And I am not a natural early adopter by nature. Exactly the opposite!

GLA TFC

[loglorry1] 01/11/2018 16:24

No doubt EV usage will grow and ICE is on its way out.

Before you get too ahead of yourselves remember Zap'n'go are tiny and late filing their accounts. Gnanomat have just one patent application, are trying to hire a CTO and it would seem were a two-man band before VRS bought a share of their company.


The folk making the batteries for the EV revolution won't be either of these guys imho.

Nice to dream however.

[club sandwich] 01/11/2018 16:21

It will happen if there is a financial imperative - either from the private sector and/or from government.

[laginaneil] 01/11/2018 16:20

Maybe Hybrid Electric & hydrogen? I was thinking of getting a Prius petrol hybrid which would cover ALL my needs (except my 'boy racer' desire). Japan is backing hydrogen I think.
Hybrid something, maybe super caps and graphene batteries.

[pcjoe] 01/11/2018 16:17

Cazzer - theres an old B&w photo of 2 separate Easter Day parades in New York - early 1900s about 15 years apart I think - in the earlier photo are 100s of horse drawn carriages & one lone car - the next photo that situation was reversed

Where did all these petrol stations, maintenance mechanics and a serving oil industry emerge from?

Things are moving much faster these days - 2040? - easy peasy...

[mj10] 01/11/2018 16:16

cazzer
My thoughts have always been electric and hydrogen.it is not acase of one or the other

[moljen] 01/11/2018 16:16

Cazzer, I'm still happing in about Seba - he has 2 photos in most presentations, NY 5th Av circa 1900 and spot the car (there is one). 10 Years late same location and it's spot the horse (there is one!). 10 years 2 new entire industries created (Automobiles and Petrol).

[cazzer69] 01/11/2018 16:08

Whilst I may accept that electric cars will eventually arrive, it won't be in the timescale that people are suggesting. Not because the technology won't arrive but the infrastructure won't. It just won't.
No one is addressing the charging requirement. We only just about have enough capacity now. We will need massive investment into power generation. It's just not there. This country just won't do it.
Eventually it may, but by 2040? Not a cat in hell's chance.

As for autonomous vehicles... there are too many issues with AI. Assisted vehicles maybe, but purely autonomous is not going to happen soon, if ever.
Liability being one of the biggest issues to overcome.

[woodpeckers] 01/11/2018 16:05

How good is this... civilised adult debate restored...

[occultusverum1] 01/11/2018 15:59

Interesting points about the rise of autonomous vehicles. Things to be considered: Rush hour - All the autonomous cars come and pick up workers and take kids to school, then where do the cars go? To a massive carpark somewhere with lots of charging stations? If any of you go to your car now and open the boot, what's in there? Your golf clubs? Gym stuff? Baby buggy? What about child car seats/booster seats. How does that kind of thing work with transport as a service?

[superg1] 01/11/2018 15:58

Supercapacitors is a good point.

Technolgy advances are simple, if it makes money they will make it.

There has been no need re oil. Emission requirements took big names down a toad where they turned to global fraud to comply.

Now all R and D on that is out of the window, electric is the future.

That has created a need for better battery tech which will come. It doesn’t seem that long back that Lithium started to revolutionise the power tools market. It was enough for the need. For cars it will do for now but billions are now being spent to take it to the next level.

There was no need for such tech but there is now.

[alchemy] 01/11/2018 15:56

I'll still want a vehicle , sorry. Climbing boots , children's seats . I'd like driver assist not full AI as well , at least as an option.