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[leopold ii] 16/6/2023 11:47

Depends on context. Indeed one can’t argue with your ‘definition217;

However (hence the DPA), those found guilty of bribery are then often sued by competitors for creating unfair competition under the fraud act

Every road has many roads off it


But in practical, everyday terms, it’s simply fraud

Has bribery not defrauded shareholders of potential return in another company?

Many parties financially lose quote “ Fraud is an act of deception that it intended to make a financial gain or to cause loss to another party”

Sales managers lost bonuses elsewhere?

And so on….

Let’s put it this way. If it was you or me, be a fraud case

[cevodniya] 16/6/2023 11:41

Vlad, unlike you to engage in adult discussion, normally you simply rant about slaying gerbils.
Here's my pennyworth
Fraud is an act of deception that it intended to make a financial gain or to cause loss to another party. Bribery is generally defined as the giving or receiving of a financial or other advantage in exchange for improperly performing a relevant function or activity.

[leopold ii] 16/6/2023 11:37

It’s true. If decades of crime cold only lead to massive debt and dilutions, how can they compete going forward?

They may get business but the terms far different if they can’t bribe/act fraudulently

[thanatos abyss] 16/6/2023 11:21

And that’s just the tick chart. Don’t get us started on the minute one

[institutional investments] 16/6/2023 11:20

RR makes Syme look like APPL

[institutional investments] 16/6/2023 11:17

DPAs are:

They enable a corporate body to make full reparation for criminal behaviour without the collateral damage of a conviction (for example sanctions or reputational damage that could put the company out of business and destroy the jobs and investments of innocent people).

[institutional investments] 16/6/2023 11:17

Yep. A DPA and the term bribery is simply a way to avoid buddies getting arrested at organisations 😂

[vlad the impaler] 16/6/2023 11:10

And I’m pretty sure SFO means Serious Fraud Office - not Serious Bribe office 😂

[vlad the impaler] 16/6/2023 11:07

Would you like some legal case studies about the relationship ?

[vlad the impaler] 16/6/2023 11:06

It also throws up flags for both quality and pricing

Quality has become an issue for RR. A well documented point out there.

[vlad the impaler] 16/6/2023 11:04

You can split hairs about the differences if you wish

Both are methods to commit fraud

A bribe is committing fraud against legally acting agents/competitors. Your intention is to remove competition in a fraudulent manner, via bribery re fraud.

[vlad the impaler] 16/6/2023 11:02

If bribery isn’t fraud why was it charged under the criminal act Cev?

[cevodniya] 15/6/2023 23:46

Pol Pot, another SYME troll, you guys are incredible.
But, are you guys or just multiple aliases.
It is amazing that all the lunatics on this thread, the trolls et al, all comment on the SYME thread.
Ermmmm

[cevodniya] 15/6/2023 23:42

Pol Pot, obviously as a Cambodian you are struggling with Western legalities.
How is it possibility legally for bribery to be classed as fraud.
In your own words, legally, explain how you could ask this question.
I'd be happy to discuss this with you over a bottle of red in Phnom Penh, at your infamous school, if you want.
But, I'd prefer clarity of your bribery v fraud statement.

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:26

😂😂

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:24

I presume bribery is classed as fraud? Well that didn’t do much

You just have to wonder what a clean bib would look like in results . Not long after, it required a 2.5 billion dilution

With a history of bribes (fraud) not bringing value, not so sure how competitive you can expect them to be without that ability

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:19

Did bribes reduce it at all? 😂

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:17

What is Rolls Royce OE average loss now? It was 15% average OE loss across engines going into 2018, with an aim to breakeven by 2020

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:07

Ok so that’s the losses stacking up

Now on to servicing agreements and the history/cycle of those profits

What fkn profits?

[pol pot] 15/6/2023 21:06

Former aeronautical engineer Rolls Royce Plc…


The answer to this question is that every airline customer will negotiate an individual engine price with Rolls-Royce ( or any of the other engine manufacturers) and this agreed price will reflect the size of the aircraft/engine order and the prestige of the airline. However it is generally acknowledged that aircraft engines are often sold at a loss, and any profit is made in the aftermarket ( servicing and spare parts).

Since the book price of a large aero engine may be £15m it is not inconceivable that initial engine sales to prestige customers (where a discount is required to secure the sale) could be at a loss of around £1m per engine. However, engines are usually sold with a service agreement

[drew lonmenob] 15/6/2023 14:41

jibber loon