Rolls-royce Share Discussion Threads

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 12:45

All the things you mention like well paid jobs etc, sure, great in community terms. But as an investment thread, deplorable costs

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 12:43

I ask to exclude new project forecasts due to history of same. It has literally lived on ‘future projects’ for an investor generation

[careful] 19/6/2023 12:34

It means that RR. is a very important valuable company.

In previous times it was thought wise to include a 'statement of value added'.
Some thought that it was more important than profit.

In simple terms in means that when comparing the value of 2 different companies,assumed to be identical in every respect, there were other factors.

Company A pays its workers well and provides generous pensions. It invests in assets and research for the the future, and pays a fair amount of corporation tax.
..but its bottom line is poor.

Company B pays its workers poorly, does not invest in the future, and registers operations overseas to avoid corporation tax.
..its bottom line is good.

The great Arnold Weinstock said he never looked at profit, the number could be fiddled.
He looked at cash flow after considering capital investments.
He always suspected companies that claimed good profits as their net debt rose.

Look at 'Fred the shred's' profit record RBS before the financial crash.
The balance sheet was loaded with junk.

[drew lonmenob] 19/6/2023 12:30

jibber jibber fool

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 12:16

[…RR.generates billions of sales every year, over the last 20 years or so, maybe £300bn.…]

What has that got to do with bottom line?

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 12:05

Since that judgment , their only way in imo is going to be much bigger OE losses

And again, in the overall picture, Maintenance contracts and such have not led to required financials

And that was in the good times . Was none better than 2009 to 2019 , and won’t be again for a long time

Should be looking to those in the industry that had the cash reserves for the recent history issues

At least proven

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:53

This leg up from recent pennies, is not about progress

It’s about exits

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:52

Why don’t you commence the beginners course re wealth, around RRs approx multi-decade history as a Plc? Nothing short term about that….

Whilst at it, look at all the projects at each phase, that were five years away, and how they all fared

It’s supposed to be about whether it’s an investment or not. And not about anything else

Nothing makes it investable LT

History, forecasts, nothing …

And the fact they can’t commit crimes anymore, means it’s truly fkd v competitors

Evidenced by debt, dilutions and state of, since 2017

[careful] 19/6/2023 11:47

you really don't get it.

The big advantage of RR is cost of entry.

Googe,Apple,Amazon, are never going to get into the complex business of developing high tech power plants for aviation because it is capital intensive and the cost of entry is prohibitive.

We are only going to travel in comfort and speed any distance by aircraft, powered by some power plant.

The real value of RR. is in what it would be worth to an overseas buyer if they were ever allowed to buy it.
OK, you lot will argue that Manchester United is worth 6 bn, Covid £400 bn, well spent, so what is RR.worth.

RR.generates billions of sales every year, over the last 20 years or so, maybe £300bn.

Highly paid jobs, suppliers make good profits, of thousands of well paid workers buying cars, houses, holidays food.
And people on this thread talk of a modest amount of debt and short term profit, then predict the demise of RR.

A short beginners course on wealth generation is required.
HMG spend £200bn per year on the NHS looking after the Old and sick, also housing and processing immigrants. Maybe quite rightly, but do not write off this National champion.

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:41

Cev, what you think?

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:36

Traders share

Anyone looking here for the LT, on drugs

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:33

Summary… its name kept it alive since market inception. Literally fk all else

II

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:32

The main problem is that market reflects it

What share didn’t go up in the central bank pump years? Even at that, RR started collapsing less than half way through easing

If you discount that period which really didn’t reflect much truths anywhere at all , it’s average price since inception is circa 82p

That’s way too much for it’s current situ

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:26

Is a great name though. Maybe they should start selling memorabilia like mugs, instead of trying to source same

II

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:22

IN THE CROWN COURT AT SOUTHWARK
IN THE MATTER OF s. 45 OF THE CRIME AND COURTS ACT 2013
Royal Courts of Justice Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 17 January 2017
Before :
THE PRESIDENT OF THE QUEEN’S BENCH DIVISION (THE RT. HON. SIR BRIAN LEVESON) ---------------------
Between :
SERIOUS FRAUD OFFICE
- and -
ROLLS-ROYCE PLC ROLLS-ROYCE ENERGY SYSTEMS INC


……

If you read it all carefully and then consider the debt structure, dilutions of recent past etc ……

You really have to ask, have we already seen the cost of no crime being allowed?

Seems unfair

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:12

“Crime doesn’t pay”

True. Dilutions…debt ….ceo….last chance for the basketcase

Problem is, how will honesty pay ?

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:09

I only called Syme questionable because it never got charged with a crime you see

II

[institutional investments] 19/6/2023 11:08

Hello Cev

The 33% wasn’t a retraction call. It was just the commencement phase of collapse call

In the interim, I’ve posted the prices here where distribution gets worked

Unless bias blinds you, you can see, all being worked to the tick

But best of luck with it really. I’m sure you wish that for anyone in any market be it the questionable Syme or the criminal RR

😂

[cevodniya] 19/6/2023 11:04

Institutional Investments, well it's a new week and already you have a tirade of meaningless posts attempting to back up your 33% retraction that you posted last Friday.
Go to the SYME thread and dribble there.