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[maxk] 13/6/2019 09:25

This should concentrate a few minds when the tory leadership contest gets underway, unless they are suicidal remainers..

[shy tott] 13/6/2019 09:19

bbalan.

No, no one has suspended the laws of thermodynamics, and neither any other physical law. It's just that, apart from building incomplete models using known physical laws, the known laws are necessary but not sufficient to understand the planet's climate. Areas where the climate physical processes, and the interactions between them, are unknown scientifically are simply estimated or even hard coded, usually with a bias so the model outputs a desired output.


I take it you know that all the scenarios producing a catastrophic future climate are all results from inaccurate models, i.e. models which are necessarily a mix of known science and estimates of behaviour for the many interactive processes which are currently unknown.

That truth is probably beyond the comprehension of 15yo schoolgirls however brainy they are, and hence beyond the intellectual capability of those who think a 15yo schoolgirl's opinion on science, let alone the most complex science, has any relevance whatsoever, Which is most in the uk these days, unfortunately.

[bbalanjones] 13/6/2019 09:13

A "Real" and disgusting modern scam.

"Almost two-thirds of homebuyers who used the government's Help to Buy scheme could have bought a home without it, an official report has said."

. . . . and they sold it to "Help" the struggling first time buyer.

[aceuk] 13/6/2019 09:03

Agreed rburtn - there are too many angry people in the world who feel hard done by but don't know by what.

[rburtn] 13/6/2019 08:53

I mentioned Climate Change (CC) to illustrate the power of the media, not to open up a discussion on CC. CC illustrates perfectly media dishonesty and mendacity. It distracts and constructs false argument to cover up and sell copy. I hope to encourage those on this board to be more circumspect and forensic in their Brexit argument rather than be echo chambers of the press. The cause of CC, BTW, is understandable by anyone and it is not GHG's. The solution is unwelcome to disciples of Mammon - the mainstream media where only footfall matters.

The vote to leave the EU had very little to do with the pro's and cons but everything to do with the 30-35% of any population which feels hard done by wanting someone to blame. The authors of their difficulties had a ready made 'Johnny Foreigner' to fulfil this role. Entrance right, the media. Trump and Farage, individuals who cannot stand 'losers', have used such people as pawns for their own ends. Similar movements in the past have ended in violence as it is impossible to satisfy that basic 30-35% without marching them off to the barricades singing patriotic songs.

Immigration on the scale this country's leaders encourage is a valid concern. Which has had the biggest cultural impact? Is it from the EU, to which a large portion return, or from the R.O.W. from where there is unlimited future potential? Baby and bathwater come to mind.

[daddy warbucks] 13/6/2019 08:36

Climate change became a big political issue, when they found out they could tax it and bring in revenue on the back of it.

[maxk] 13/6/2019 08:11

Tory MPs must not deny party members the chance to vote for Boris


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The suggestion that parliamentarians might be tempted to join a "Stop Boris" movement is deeply worrying


A view is gaining ground that the Tories should not be electing the leader of their party but somehow the entire country should be. This is especially pronounced on the political Left, who consider Conservative MPs and party members unrepresentative of the nation and so disqualified from choosing the next prime minister.





Read the comments if in any doubt about what will happen to the tory party:

[xxxxxy] 13/6/2019 07:34

Parliament makes a sensible decision at last on Brexit

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JUNE 13, 2019

Yesterday the combined forces of the Opposition parties united to try to hijack the business of the House in the future to delay or prevent our exit and to ban a so called No deal exit. By 309 votes to 298 votes this proposal was defeated. They wanted time to legislate to stop Brexit or to prevent the government counting the clock down to our exit on 31 October without allowing the Parliament yet another say on the Brexit options.

It is traditional for governments to control the business of the House. If a majority builds up in the House against what they are doing then the opposition forces have the right to table and vote on a motion of No confidence. If the Opposition wins that motion it ends the government’s tenure. The Opposition is not afforded the right to have Parliamentary time to have its own alternative programme of new legislation or its own alternative foreign policy . As it does not enjoy a majority there would be no point in allowing this. It enjoys plenty of time to question, criticise, debate and comment on the government’s approach which is its role. The Opposition is free to table any amendments it likes to government legislation, and free to try to persuade government MPs to join them in amending or opposing it.

The last time the Opposition tried a hijack to secure legislation it was to ask the government to seek a delay to our exit. As it happened Mrs May wanted to seek a delay anyway, so when the vote was won by just one vote it did not change anything as the government wanted to ask for a later exit date. As they found when trying to legislate then, all Parliament could try to do was to bind the hand of the UK government. They could not legislate to require a delay because that also required to consent of the EU.

It is good news that this time Parliament recoiled from allowing those MPs most hostile to our exit from the EU to take control of the Order paper. If they did so they would undermine the UK’s negotiating position further, humiliate our country again internationally, and thwart the clear wishes of the British people by refusing to implement the Brexit we voted for.

[shy tott] 13/6/2019 00:01

When the brainwashed climate change lot resort to abusing a 15 year old schoolgirl to forward their cause, you know something is very wrong. That's for those of pretty significant ignorance to not realise all of the climate change predictions over the years have simply not come about, when they are dropped and replaced with other predictions based on bias and not science.

[shy tott] 12/6/2019 23:55

RogerRail
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There is a way out for the Tory's and

………;…..

The above, plus logic such as 'a no deal is not a way out' lead me to believe that Roger and Careful are one and the same. There simply can't be two people on the planet who say such stupid illogical things, and don't know how to make a plural.

[maxk] 12/6/2019 23:37

By that "logic", the tory party is finished regardless.

[rogerrail] 12/6/2019 23:31

A no deal is not a way out, it will finish the government and destroy the tory party a dam site quicker than the Brexit party will. Even Boris would not risk being the shortest reigning pm in history.

[maxk] 12/6/2019 23:21

Anti-Brexidiots͐2;

[minerve 2] 12/6/2019 23:09

Brexidiots™

[maxk] 12/6/2019 23:04

Min and pipes go well together.

[maxk] 12/6/2019 23:03

Where do you get it from? A Brussels pipe dream??


There is a perfectly reasonable deal available right now, it's called leave and negotiate later.

[willoicc] 12/6/2019 23:00

Does anyone else watching BBC news notice the preponderance of Remainer placards appearing in the background of outside broadcasts on Brexit issues.

The BBC blanks out peoples faces when they wish to protect peoples' privacy but do not block these placards.

More Biased Broadcasting by the BBC.

[rogerrail] 12/6/2019 22:57

Whatever deal can be agreed with the EUIf a better one can be agreed then fine but as it stands they have said that there is no opportunity to renegotiate the deal. So it looks like Mays deal is the only one on the table.