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[maxk] 12/6/2019 12:28

'Brexit delay means defeat': Boris Johnson launches campaign

Johnson vows to leave EU with deal on 31 October but says he will also prepare to leave without deal

Tory leadership - latest news
Jessica Elgot Chief political correspondent
Wed 12 Jun 2019 11.58 BST



Boris Johnson has launched his Tory leadership campaign by insisting he does not wish to pursue a no-deal Brexit but would prepare “vigorously and seriously” to leave the European Union with no agreement in October, warning the survival of the Conservative party depended on it.



The Tory leadership frontrunner officially launched his campaign on Wednesday telling assembled crowds of MPs he believed a new government “with a new mandate, a new optimism, a new determination” could leave the EU with an amended deal.

However, he warned that he was determined to leave the EU by 31 October, whether he had achieved a new deal or not. “Parties have entered a yellow-box junction, unable to move forward or back,” he said.

“Around the country there is a mood of disillusion, even despair at our ability to get things done. The longer it goes on, the worse the risk of serious contamination and a real loss of confidence, because the people of this country deserve better from their leaders.”


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[shy tott] 12/6/2019 12:26

Careful, many thanks for your help with my politically lacking mind. I'm having a little trouble with lesson one, but I shall persevere in trying to understand the keen and astute political mind where

'Boris: leaving no deal on the table was vital'

means

'... Boris has virtually taken no deal off the table'
.

[careful] 12/6/2019 12:26

Boris is another Trump.
No diplomat.

The Iran/UK girl situation was handled badly.
Was she spying?
Boris virtually blew her cover.

And with about £400m of Iranian cash frozen in UK banks because of USA sanctions, it is precarious for Dual nationality types to travel there.
They use these people as bargaining chips.

A delicate situation, not his strength.
Hope he has learned.

[grahamite2] 12/6/2019 12:21

OK careful, fair enough.

But how can Parliament "stop" no deal when it is the EU's decision?

[inaminute] 12/6/2019 12:20

It shouldn't be about whether he will win with his rhetoric, it should be about what he'll actually do if he wins. He has a history of costly non-delivery. He's not strong on disclosure though, he doesn't declare his earnings correctly so he's hardly likely to highlight his many shortcomings, he'll just keep spouting his nonsense and take in the gullible

[minerve 2] 12/6/2019 12:18

Yeah, Boris is a great statesman. I mean look how astute he was with his dealings with Iran and the girl accused of spying.

WOW.

[careful] 12/6/2019 12:17

yes, that is exactly what he said.
We interpret it differently.

It is not a matter of being delusional.
I was just trying to see how Boris would handle the impossible problem of the fact that no deal was not an option, parliament would stop it.

Trying for no deal would probably lead to chaos and a general election.

Boris pitched it exactly right, we need a deal but the option of no deal must be kept alive, and we must prepare for it.

[grahamite2] 12/6/2019 12:10

Boris Johnson has said he is "not aiming for a no-deal outcome" for Brexit at the launch of his campaign for the Tory leadership.
But he said leaving no deal on the table was a "vital tool of negotiation" and the UK "must do better than the current withdrawal agreement".

How unequivocal can you get, careful? You are delusional.

[grahamite2] 12/6/2019 12:06

Is Minerve actually Dominic Grieve irl? Or perhaps Yvette Cooper or Sir Oliver Letwin?

[maxk] 12/6/2019 12:04

careful. There will always be a deal, no way to avoid it (both sides)

[minerve 2] 12/6/2019 12:03

No wonder we always celebrate WW2 events. Nothing to celebrate in the present or to look forward to.

[careful] 12/6/2019 12:01

We all see different things.
His opening pitch was clearly making that point about needing a deal and the undesirably of no deal,
..and yet you missed it.

[maxk] 12/6/2019 11:58

You must have watched a different speech.

No deal is not off the table, far from it.


But who knows what Boris really thinks?

In any case, the rest might as well pack up and go home, cos he'll walk it if it gets to the party membership.


And if not, and the mp's decide to go with a remainer...tory party finis RIP

[careful] 12/6/2019 11:49

It seems Boris has virtually taken no deal off the table.
OK a few negotiating tactics but he seems quite sensible.

Like it or not, Trump and Boris are changing the way their opinions are presented.
Direct, often undiplomatic, but the new direct style.

He will win.

[grahamite2] 12/6/2019 11:46

If successful, they intend to bring forward draft legislation on June 25 which would seek to prevent a future prime minister proroguing Parliament in order to take the UK out of the European Union without a deal.

But it's not the Prime Minister who prorogues Parliament.

The fanatical remoaner extremists have bitten off more than they can chew.

[grahamite2] 12/6/2019 11:37

Thanks for the heads up on inaccurate state pension forecasts, Shy Tott. I'll have to bear that in mind for the future.

[mr.elbee] 12/6/2019 11:22

very correct Ladeside.

But I am afraid the cause is the lefty luvvies in the media and schools .

In the early eighties the alleged pop music business decided…..quite deliberately... to make pop songs with Sarf London accents and to lose the fake US accent.[chip shop? Elvis?]..it could be done again...where there is a will there is a way!
"
At the moment,however,not much "will".

[minerve 2] 12/6/2019 11:06

"We try to return the favour by guiding you on politics and economics."

And everything else!

[careful] 12/6/2019 11:05

Thanks for the instruction shy.
I must take more care.

Everyone has a talent for something.
Yours is grammar.

We try to return the favour by guiding you on politics and economics.

[minerve 2] 12/6/2019 10:58

And all these lies to please a bunch of geriatric tory voters. And lure them in to disappoint them on a later date.

[ladeside] 12/6/2019 10:46

Too much American influence has our country completely changing their language.

Children are being educated via US led social media and youngsters are now referring to "gasoline" rather than petrol for the car, many think that 911 is the emergency number and general language is now full of Americanisms.

We even see it day in day out on here where people use the moronic US spelling rather than correct English.

All very sad.........