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[montyhedge] 15/6/2020 08:10

I see 500 Cargo jobs are to go, so even that division is underperforming.

[montyhedge] 15/6/2020 08:07

I see 100p off this price coming days.

[topazfrenzy] 15/6/2020 07:16

This is not worth more than £1.50

Those who have been loading up over £2 are raving mad

[qantas] 14/6/2020 22:45

Please do your own research as always

[smithys2019] 14/6/2020 18:54

And what did the share price do just before the Depression?

[sikhthetech] 14/6/2020 18:51

smithy

"100 million died in the 18-19 flu pandemic. Guess what? Countries tried and failed to globally contain this."


Yes and it wasn't long before there was a Despression...

[sikhthetech] 14/6/2020 18:47

Loganair,

"If I was the UK government I would not allow any flights to or from any countries that are reporting more than 200 new Covid 19 cases a day"

Agree, it is still dire in some countries.

In terms of 200 new cases per day.


UK still have around 1500 a day....
There should not be any flights from UK to any other country without any quarantine...

1514 new cases in UK published today:

[paleje] 14/6/2020 18:31

Report in today's ST, Virgin Atlantic Major holders are bracing for the worst if the airline doesn't get a bailout. Some have been attracted by the perceived value of the landing slots but if it goes belly up they'll go to the highest bidder. No guesses for who'll be at front of queue imo.

[justiceforthemany] 14/6/2020 18:03

UK +36 deaths today - huge reduction even accounting for the weekend.

[smithys2019] 14/6/2020 17:04

Who cares how many? We are approaching passed peak in many countries now. 100 million died in the 18-19 flu pandemic. Guess what? Countries tried and failed to globally contain this. What happens now is countries can either decide to bankrupt themselves further or accept the hit. For 99.5% this virus is a non-event. The under 65s now know this and it’s going to affect behaviours polling and whether people riot or not. People will not face 20% national unemployment to save a few Alzheimer’s ridden grannies. Brazil for a matter of reference has over 1.7 million deaths per year.

Ferguson predicted 40k deaths in Sweden by now. It hasn’t passed 4500 yet. Scientists completely over egged the pudding. That’s before we get on to discussions of dying with Vs of Covid. According to the WHO, George Floyd should have been categorised as a Covid death. When you have more under 65s dying in RTA than of Covid, you start to realise this shutdown is utter lunacy.

[loganair] 14/6/2020 16:27

In France, Italy and Spain, even in the USA, health officials are saying one can double the official number of deaths from Covid 19 to give the real number of deaths while they say when it comes to Brazil would not be too far of the mark if one was to times by 5 - the same being said for Iran & India - the official number of deaths to get the real number of deaths from Covid 19.

In the middle of May, Brazil took down over 500,000 death certificates from their web site which was deemed to be suspicious by virologists around the world.

[smithys2019] 14/6/2020 14:29

Brazil, who have enacted 0 measures at all, is now seeing the peak in fatalities and cases finally reduce. Interestingly enough, it seems to have happened around the same time that the peak happened in the U.K. in terms of number of infections per million population.

This is important I Expect as market analysts will be using Brazil as an acid test measure of how far the virus can go and how lethal it can be. Assuming a doubling of cases every four days, almost the entire population in high density urban areas will have been infected by now.

My guess is the unaccounted for effect of T cell response is far more important in terms of the body dealing with this disease than antibodies that we have been testing for. Interesting also that the T Cell response has been developed from human response to previous coronavirus infections - namely from the common cold. It could well be that our immunity developed from cold infections goes a long way to reduce symptoms of Covid. There are some estimates that 50%+ of the population could be responding this way.

I’ve bet the farm on this anyhow and based my purchase strategy on an earlier than expected recovery with minimal second wave. Lots of BP, Shell and other tanked utilities

[loganair] 14/6/2020 13:53

Covid 19 still far from over:


USA still more then 1,000 deaths a day.

Brazil running at over 1,000 deaths per day has now over taken the UK with the second highest number of deaths.

Mexico death rate is climbing with 3,500 new cases in the past 24 hours.


This is where the UK will get a second wave from if they allow flights to these countries with passengers bringing the virus back into the country as they did the first time round.

When international flights start to resume, If I was the UK government I would not allow any flights to or from any countries that are reporting more than 200 new Covid 19 cases a day or more than a handful of deaths per day from Covid 19 and I would not allow any passenger in from these countries coming in from a third country.

[loganair] 14/6/2020 13:47

From India - Indian media has been full of tragic stories of people dying after being turned away by hospitals.

One pregnant woman died as she was being shuttled between hospitals. A 78-year-old man petitioned the Delhi High Court for a ventilator bed but died before the matter could be taken up.

The city government in Delhi has estimated that it could need 80,000 beds by the end of July, and warned hotels and wedding venues that they are likely to be turned into hospitals.

Currently government hospitals have 8,505 designated pandemic beds while private hospitals have 1,441.

Virologist Shahid Jameel said Delhi, like other major cities, has not tested enough people. So far, it has covered just one percent of its population.

"At the moment Delhi government is doing everything to make people panic," he said.

[toon1966] 14/6/2020 13:43

What is a ‘restraction’...?

[toon1966] 14/6/2020 13:42

What report, please provide link.

[azalea] 14/6/2020 12:17

The report that 40% of people who show no symptoms of being infected with the virus, are found to be infected when tested, is a very worry development.

[teamwork1] 14/6/2020 10:08

I know people are waiting for this restraction to be lifted.

[m1k3y1] 14/6/2020 10:01

So let me understand......Cruz says that the market is going to be smaller and there are going to be fewer people flying , so BA needs to scale back BUT Iberia needs to expand and buy another airline Air Europa because the market is going to get bigger !!!!

[qantas] 14/6/2020 09:02

Please do your own research as always

[milliecusto] 13/6/2020 20:15

Second outbreak in Beijing..

[smithys2019] 13/6/2020 11:52

Post January and Brexit the U.K. government gain far more control over slots. I wouldn’t want to poke sticks at HMG at the moment. Also, a lot of large funds will not invest if they are seen as being sharp and making the most of a crisis at the cost of their employees whom are facing a dark future with job prospects at present. If it were to turn out that redundancy and fire/rehire is being Picked over and above temporary cuts to pay and conditions, IAG will make themselves as popular as BAT with institutional investors.

[jailbird] 13/6/2020 08:51

Which countries are open for summer travel? Here's the list https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/12/which-countries-are-open-for-summer-travel-after-coronavirus.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

[jailbird] 13/6/2020 08:43

The other big worry is if the R number increases , all bets are off again The best hope is to isolate parts of the country where it happens .Whatever air travel resumes , it will be small and not stop big losses this year The cost cut dispute lingers on and ever month the Co is burning approx £800mDo think about it , full year loss and cash will be a lot lower this time next year With the Co reliant on USA and business travel , I can see why costs need to be cut to be honest , however painful it is .I would still consider alternatives , like unpaid leave and less harsh pay reductions over a longer period on temporary terms until growth returns . It gives ppl hope , they still have something and gives them options on voluntary leaving when the time is right for them. Better than being pushed