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[ellissj] 25/3/2019 18:18

Example of ev consortium in china here. Byd daimler jv article. Best ellis.

'BYD Increases Investment In BYD-Daimler EV Joint Venture.'

 1 month ago

'BYD dives even deeper into EVs.'

"BYD Company Limited announced on February 1 that its board of directors agreed on a proposal that allows BYD Auto Industry Company Limited, its wholly-owned subsidiary, to inject an additional RMB 200 million as registered capital into Shenzhen DENZA New Energy Automotive Co., Ltd. (DENZA), a joint venture in partnership with Daimler.

BYD Auto Industry Company Limited’s equity in DENZA will remain at 50% after the capital increase completes.The BYD’s subsidiary had added RMB500 million in DENZA as early as May, 2017, which was mainly used as operational capital for the joint venture in order to alleviated the pressure of extended cycle to receive subsidy over the DENZA’s business operation caused by the adjustment of national new energy vehicle (NEV) subsidy policy. The latest capital increase signals BYD’s confidence in the NEV joint venture promising development.

On March 26, 2018, Daimler and BYD Auto Industry Company Limited launched the new DENZA 500 battery electric vehicle from DENZA. Engineered and produced in and for China, the new DENZA 500 offers Chinese customers a comprehensive upgrade through a refreshed exterior design and extended electric range.

In addition, BYD said in last May that the company and Daimler Greater China Ltd. would respectively pour an investment of RMB 400 million into DENZA to improve the joint venture’s asset-liability ratio and expand the sales network."

[superg1] 25/3/2019 18:15

Phew missed todays action, nice to see it held steady and went up a smidge just to settle the nerves of the usual upsets.

For me it's no issue as I'm very confident about my findings and therefore sleep soundly.

[chumbo1] 25/3/2019 18:05

Won't work at night. How about manual EV charging mode using Yabbadadabbadoo function where driver pedals the car turning a dynamo which charges the battery?

[woodpeckers] 25/3/2019 18:03

faltcoat "Need to start thinking bigger here" ... I think we're soon going to be looking back here and saying 'that was the understatement of the century".

[lovat scout] 25/3/2019 17:56

Electricity back up funds available - see GRID and GSF listed on London market. Not a recommendation as I can’t comment on the quality of their kit but illustrates that standby power infrastructure (useful for renewable energy) is very much on the way.

DYOR etc.

[serratia] 25/3/2019 17:48

lag,

hxxps://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-how-much-power-will-uk-electric-vehicles-need

[magpie61] 25/3/2019 17:47

Put solar panels on cars?

[flatcoat1] 25/3/2019 17:47

Need to start thinking bigger here. Don't forget driverless cars will be being tested soon. Once the technology is proven it will be integrated and rolled out. Initially there will be lanes or roads where only driverless cars can use. Then as the technology evolves there will be complete areas or towns where only driverless cars can go. Just imagine the change to our way of life. One day All cars will be driverless. There will be no traffic lights or traffic jams as all cars will talk to each other working out most efficient route. When this happens we will no longer own cars. They will be leased out as and when you require to use them. If a car needs a recharge it simply drives itself to a charging point and you will get another car to make your journey. If you really want to drive you will have to go to a racing circuit.

[alchemy] 25/3/2019 17:44

Ah! Maybe. Won't be drawn . I have the necessary sense of humour!But storage of solar renewables is required. Thanks for the prompt!

[willoicc] 25/3/2019 17:37

Put solar panels on all houses.

[laginaneil] 25/3/2019 17:31

I wonder if anyone has the figures of how many extra Giga watts we need from
power stations if all cars were electric now?

[laginaneil] 25/3/2019 17:28

Hi Folks,
I read some were about putting chargers in lamp posts - already got electricity in it. Obviously not too strong supply though!

[luminoso] 25/3/2019 17:17

Maybe Vanadium redox flow energy storage will have its day when EVs take off.
What do you reckon, Alchemy ? 😊

[mj10] 25/3/2019 17:16

Shavian that's where itm and others come in.converting renewable energy to hydrogen and injecting into the grid.trials going on in UK and been tested in Germany for a few years check out this

[alchemy] 25/3/2019 17:12

Yes, how right you are. The answer is not charging on street either! The answer is the Zap nGo architecture viz. the electric filling station.I wouldn't have range anxiety in an EV if I could charge up in 4 to 5 minutes and I could do so at a broad range of updated garages.

[squire007] 25/3/2019 17:08

Gov buildings will provide power feeds, large carparks will be in on it soon too .;-)

[eel tamer] 25/3/2019 17:06

Switch Schmally! Be the change!!

[sandbag] 25/3/2019 17:06

EVs home charging could be a problem for those in terraced houses especially large ones now modified into flats. You can't have cables willy-nilly across the pavements.

[squire007] 25/3/2019 17:05

Snap Schmally ...doing a 2yr max deal this time tho .

[schmally] 25/3/2019 16:53

Hew, Approximately 85-90% of all new cars are leased rather purchased outright, so only a very small % of car owners actually own their cars these days and the % of actual car ownership versus lease is dropping every year. Therefore, growth in demand for EV will simply depend on the attractiveness of EV v ICE at the point that existing lease deals end and Joe Public looks for their next car. My current lease agreement ends shortly, so I currently face the dilemma of deciding whether to choose an EV or ICE for the next 2-3 years. I think the choice is tricky currently simply due to a lack of EV car choice (although new models seem to be launching quickly) and the recharging hassle (perceived or otherwise). However, in 12-24 months, the choice of EV will become far more compelling with a wider choice of EV cars, increased battery ranges, decreased charging times and improved charging infrastructure. We are already close to the tipping point IMO, so the key question is simply whether infrastructure improvements can keep pace with demand.

[shavian] 25/3/2019 16:51

Sandbag: that Templar Gridwatch site is a revelation, everyone should take a look. Here’s a clickable link:



Take particular note of the diurnal variation of the input of solar. It’s obviously peaky, but I had no idea that the spikes were so acute. 2GW at peak power on a sunny day like today, sod all by dusk. This is where battery storage will make such a difference to the economics of solar, by smoothing out those spikes and allowing solar operators and home owners to use solar power 24/7. Tesla Powerwalls are already making a big impact in Australia, and Gnanomat and others are working flat out on this. Exciting stuff!

[shavian] 25/3/2019 16:35

Megan: My mistake, just re-read the article. I had missed it on the first speed read!

[hew] 25/3/2019 16:22

Good thoughts on EVs above.

Mine is that the scale of the changeover (running down the current as well as building up the new) for vehicles, support infrastructure in service stations inc electricity storage, for people (car owners, current car servicing staff, fuel delivery), basic electricity generation and distribution, current hydrocarbon fuel producers....plus whatever else, is underestimated by some. Things take time. And all that sunk capital to amortise.

Furthering battery charge-rate and range tech to establish realistically and economically achievable numbers, and so set criteria for designing the infrastructure - allow for 1 hour at a service station? 30 minutes? 5 mins? leads to different kinds of arrangement. 2-4 charging points in a small car park for 50-100 cars (I know of three such currently) won’t do. But who will invest big sums in infrastructure that could quickly become redundant or outdated by some still newer battery tech in the early changeover years?

For such reasons I see the adoption of EVs on a mass scale being slower than current publicity seems to assume. Yes, for those confident of rarely going beyond their car’s range in a day, with the ability to charge at home and at their usual daily location, and while the overall number of EVs on the roads remains small enough for some en route recharging (assuming more quickly than currently, even near term), then company car users - not the long distance, time-poor sales people - and those willing and able to buy a new car in order to "go EV" (lots of cars on the roads are planned to be used for say 10 years - and plenty “loved”), then that proportion of the driving population will perhaps convert. But the other 80%-90%? (My guess.)

All top of head and IMO. Gnano (and other’s) efforts still much needed of course.

[sandbag] 25/3/2019 16:12

As Shavian said Germany may have a challenge with power supplies.
For anyone interested in the UK National Grid Status:

www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php