Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 23/3/2019 21:45

The guy is a fruitcake.

Wtf is he trolling on here for. I haven't got the time but fancy going onto Hot copper to warn them about the fraud that he is. However that just a waste of time, been through that on dozens of shares here and PIs simply don't get that they are in a POS fraud.

Scared of his own shadow but trying to P folk off on here. ???

Adam you wet fish reveal yourself to all, I'll leave you to do it. About 70%+ of everyone on this thread know each other, we have debates, we have different opinions, that's life.

[ellissj] 23/3/2019 21:40

Great series of tweets from neill. Vrs sitting pretty ! Glalth. Best ellis

Neill Ricketts @neillricketts

"Very"

Harry Deo @TheDrDeo

"Good Morning Neill, how confident are you that VRS Graphene will confirm to the ISO standards and particularly that published so far? Thats if you can reply without breaking any rules. thanks again for a brilliant job so far."

5:27 pm · 23 Mar 2019

THEN:

Neill Ricketts @neillricketts

"YES"

Quote Tweet

Mark Squire @MSquire007

"Graphene is single layer - new ISO standards, 2d graphene upto 10, after that please do not call it graphene !!!
is that right?"

5:27 pm · 23 Mar 2019.

Further :

Neill Ricketts @neillricketts

"I have seen thousands of images from either our routine testing as every batch is tested, China, USA , npl, etc"

[spid81] 23/3/2019 21:36

Good morning Superg1

Can you please explain how you manage to misquote the ISO standards?


"The number of layers when a two-dimensional material becomes a bulk material varies depending on both the material being measured and its properties. In the case of graphene layers, it is a two dimensional material up to 10 layers thick for electrical measurements[3][4], beyond which the electrical properties of the material are not distinct from those for the bulk (also known as graphite)."


It clearly says in black and white that 10 layers is the max for electrical properties only.

Can we assume that nanene will only offer 90% of the benefits of graphene (electrical) due to its 10% graphite content?

[bobsworth] 23/3/2019 21:30

Oh I love that SG !

Well said

Brilliant!

[superg1] 23/3/2019 21:24

Spid

You stuck it up there and made a fool of yourself.

your post

This would have to be the most stupid thing I have ever read
I am lost for words at how stupid this is, I am really embarrassed for you.
Single layer has a surface area of 2630m3 per Gram,
Nanene has a surface are of 45m2 per gram.

No Nanene doesn't have a surface area of 45m2. That is the ISO type compliant version as in reality they overlap in a pot, in a product sat on a desk etc etc. They don't jump out and kindly line up edge to edge perfectly

Single layer platelets in Nanene are 2630m2

2 layer divide by 2, 3 layer divide by 3 and so on.

That is theoretical not the actual when in a product as per the ISO standards

It just proves you haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about.

[bobsworth] 23/3/2019 20:58

An AECOM reminder ahead of next week!

August 2018. Neill Ricketts, Chief Executive, Versarien PLC, was quoted as stating that the company is rather pleased to have signed a graphene application construction materials agreement with Aecom, wherein the firm’s graphene material is to be incorporated into a large-scale structure that would be liberally used in construction projects.

In the event that the collaboration agreement proceeds as per expectations, the company hopes that the volume of graphene that would be in demand would be COMMENDABLY HIGHER than for numerous other applications, on account of the massive scale of the structures being developed.

Since then, AECOM has confirmed the first Statement of Work ("SOW") from the supply agreement which includes the supply of 50 kg of Versarien's graphene enhanced polymer material delivered in December 2018, with a further SOW delivery of 200 kg in January 2019.

These quantities have been used for final testing of the structures and upon successful completion of final tests, the companies expect to make further announcements in Q1 2019.

So roll on NEXT WEEK!

[rogerbridge] 23/3/2019 20:22

Mind boggling is the only word that seems to fit the bill.

[woodpeckers] 23/3/2019 20:21

Delores, have to say, the news over the last few days is really quite staggering.. first the US news, then China and ISO... it's all falling into place.. a very nice place from which VRS can globally display their wares...

[dolores123] 23/3/2019 19:01

Surely the news re China AND the iso the vrs share price should be more like £10 per share!!

[superg1] 23/3/2019 17:52

So imo Directa plus have probably removed the limited data they have on their website otherwise customers and investors would now realise they supply graphite not graphene.

Directa call their product graphene-based aka graphite.

Again, case closed.

Been trying to tell ya all.

[superg1] 23/3/2019 17:50

I saw the posts this morning re the ISO and didn't know at the time if the details were correct, IE ISO issued.

Well I've had a brief read and now the details are there in black and white about what we have been posting here many times over for a long long time.

Over 10 layers average and performance falls off a cliff where it can no longer be considered graphene, as it doesn't have the properties of graphene.

Case closed as that is what the ISO says.

REPORTED m2 area by some.

That came up in the last 24 hrs and once more posts were made stating that is based on laying platelets edge to edge perfectly and doesn't reflect reality. IE not the scientific way to record it, aka misleading customers.

The ISO talks of theoretical surface area but states the measured value can be significantly less due to the overlapping of the platelets.

Anyway work to do.

So if the muppets want to argue the international standards why don't you get onto the ISO team, NPL and NGI and tell them they don't know WTF they are talking about.

[ellissj] 23/3/2019 16:34

Great post evergreen, i somehow missed dg's post - it is excellent news all round. I also agree yr view spike re iso. Thx mikeb for filling us in. Feels like it's all coming together. Best ellis.

[spike_1] 23/3/2019 15:46

Re:
Neill has on more than one occasion played down the significance of the ISO standard preferring to rely upon real world testing of graphene enhanced materials

I believe this is a misinterpretation, as far as Neill and VRS are concerned ISO will (eventually) 'sort out the wheat from the chaff', which should be to VRS's advantage.

What Neill is simply saying is that none of the collaborations VRS are currently involved in rely on the ISO being granted, they rely on the quality of VRS's current products (+Nanene, Polygrene, Graphinks etc.) to provide the improvements in performance the collaborators require.

However it is very reasonable to assume there is a direct correlation between VRS's collaborators 'improved / new' products and the material qualities needed to conform to the ISO standard.

Where the ISO will be of direct benefit is the ability of our collaborators to produce products containing 'ISO certified graphene'.

Best wishes - Spike

[bobsworth] 23/3/2019 15:16

"Law protecting the IP of Foreign companies manufacturing within China !"Wishful thinking I know, but I'd like to think the Chinese Gov have just passed that law to speed up the contractual signings with VRS! All looking good folks!

[chumbo1] 23/3/2019 15:15

Thanks djd. I wonder if the special tax break zones will apply to VRS activities

[grabster] 23/3/2019 14:39

Detractors are clearly failing to make any headway. You'd think they'd find summat better to do with their lives. I feel sorry for them. Sad lot with a sad hobby.

[evergreen8] 23/3/2019 14:27

Most surprised at the lack of hats in the air at the news that DGduncan has just posted.

If China has just established a Law protecting the IP of Foreign companies manufacturing within China which also permits the outflow of profits then the implications for all LTHs is profound.
This news, combined with the ISO, combined with recent developments in the US, combined with Aecom, will surely gilt edge the imminent brokers note.

I am now even more confident that we will be looking at multiples of the current share price during 2019.

Thanks to the fantastic VRS team effort we are ideally placed to see that S curve take off. This is going to be a very good year and it is just going to get better every year thereafter.

[johnveals] 23/3/2019 14:11

Neill has on more than one occasion played down the significance of the ISO standard preferring to rely upon real world testing of graphene enhanced materials, and, we are told, there has not been a single case of VRS graphene not improving the properties of a material into which it has been incorporated. As others have said, I don't think the ISO program is going to reach its end conclusion any time soon.

[grabster] 23/3/2019 14:02

ISO standard published is only Part One of several parts apparently. Not sure how quickly the rest will follow

[compoundup] 23/3/2019 11:55

Thank you Mike.

[onone2] 23/3/2019 11:15

superg thank you for your response,plus spid thank you for the link,



imho spid asked a valid question,my thought`s was "graphene/nanene"do`s not travel well,after being processed,

would this become a problem,as graphene/nanene would have a thicker density thus giving a lower coverage area,to avoid this will graphene/nanene be required to be processed on site for the end product or by mixing with a polymer would reduce the graphite returning to a mass.

maybe cryptic but saves typing for a week.

information taken from the link,

Graphene ReactivityAlthough the surfaces of ideal graphene 2D crystals are uniform, real graphene materials are often energetically, chemically and physically heterogeneous. Surface sites that may be more reactive towards adsorption, ion or electron exchange, mechanical strain, etc., include graphene sheet edges, Stone-Wales defects, heteroatoms, functional groups, impurities, metal catalysts, and so on. Both chemisorption and temperature-program-ing techniques are used to assess the quantity and quality of the more reactive sites on graphenes and graphene-related materials Advanced chemisorption instruments such as the Autosorb-iQ or the ChemStar are ideally suited address to these applications.Concluding RemarksGraphene and graphene-related materials are currently at the forefront of materials research and technology. The precise evaluation of their structural characteristics is an essential step towards optimizing their performance. Specific properties that affect virtually every application of graphene materials include their specific surface area, pore size distribution, density and reactivity. Graphene surface areas can vary by orders of magnitude depending on their degree of stacking, crumpling, pillaring, and their heteroatom and defect content. Holes and micro-mesopores may be present within and between layers of graphene materials. Densities of bulk graphenes measured by gas pycnometry tend to fall below crystalline densities due in part to some closed or inacces-sible pores being present in these materials. Graphene reactivity is related to the nature and concentration of active sites, which can be quantified using modern chemisorption and temperature programming techniques. Much remains to be done to fully exploit and expand the range of applications of graphene materials. The techniques described above provide useful and precise tools to empower users to push the boundaries of graphene materials to ever-increasing levels.

[1teepee] 23/3/2019 10:44

So now we are waiting for part 2 of the iso

[festario] 23/3/2019 10:28

SuperG, Menuscus us actually DEAN HAIGH!

[squire007] 23/3/2019 10:00

Nice one MB