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[forestfred] 03/11/2018 21:08

It’s Nice to see light hearted amestity this weekend on this board .

I was a front line yellow card holder last week for defending my thoughts against the dark side .
Have not engaged since .

Ff

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 20:21

Altruism is a wonderful trait though!

disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.

"some may choose to work with vulnerable elderly people out of altruism"

synonyms: unselfishness, selflessness, self-sacrifice, self-denial; More

ZOOLOGY
behaviour of an animal that benefits another at its own expense.
"reciprocal altruism"

[night terrors] 03/11/2018 20:13

loglorry1

"Anyway I'm posting too much."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.........

Seriously! You just realised!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.......

[loglorry1] 03/11/2018 20:02

Funny how you assume that's not what I may be doing by writing here. Surely it all really depends on where the shareprice goes from here?

Anyway I'm posting too much. Difficult not to respond to an inaccurate post about my family so I hope you'll forgive that. Have a great weekend.

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"Do some good for somebody other than family, it doesn't put money in your pocket (the opposite in fact) but even £100 can make a big difference in the right place, hopefully you have but if not try it, it may make you feel better about life generally."

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 19:59

Giving is easy by the way Tim.

I know someone who knew of a very poor family with 5 children. The parent didn't really help by looking for a way out by continually buying lottery tickets.

The upshot was that the children suffered from poor hygiene and skin complaints. Now simple things like towels , toothbrushes, toothpaste , deodorants etc, do cost a lot of money when you don't have it. So instead of giving money they went out and bought a lot of what they thought the family would need.

They then went to the vicar for that community and asked him to give it to the family but didn't want them to know who it was from, vicar took the credit 😁 but it did change their lives in a small way without actually giving them the money.

The more people that do that kind of thing the better the world we live in becomes.

[smallfry1] 03/11/2018 19:49

Still holding tight Graphite bot
Not that bothered short term
But good news is always a welcome friend

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 19:44

I think I have a weekend amnesty?

I promise to behave during the week 🌞

[graphite bot] 03/11/2018 19:43

small fry you say you are a novice unyet you have managed to invest in the best company on aim. I have used the opportunity to buy more shares at a much lower price than the fundraise last month . Remember why you bought into VRS the only thing that has changed is deals and orders are now closer to being announced. I have a feeling we will all be having a good Christmas. We have HMDIT on our side. hold your shares. We are nearly there IMO

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 19:42

You get me wrong Tim, not trying to discredit you just trying to understand you and finding it difficult.

I think you may have answered your own question in the second paragraph and we will see what the next few months brings which will hopefully be justification for the position VRS hold, it does look quite promising at the moment.

Third paragraph I think that you have just bored everyone to tears and yawns so it has become ineffective and contrary to what you appear to have strived to achieve.

I wish you no harm at all but do wish that you would stop harping on about the same old thing, it is bloody boring and you don't appear to understand that and the thing about the car and classroom .... well... come on.

Do some good for somebody other than family, it doesn't put money in your pocket (the opposite in fact) but even £100 can make a big difference in the right place, hopefully you have but if not try it, it may make you feel better about life generally.

[loglorry1] 03/11/2018 19:26

@luckyorange you are the one digging around on the internet looking for information to discredit me and you say I'm the one who is bitter!!!!

I'm certainly not ignoring the truth. VRS is valued 9 times higher than its peer group. Nobody, including VRS, seems willing to justify why that might be in terms of better IP, higher production, better scale up, sales, collaborations etc. The only advantage I can see is a strong balance sheet and an incredibly promotional CEO who uses social media to promote the company well to his near 100% retail investor base.

I'm not ignoring the truth. It's not me that's filtering opposing views and denying these facts. It's not me banning free speech and surpressing anyone with a bearish view.

Just saying.

[smallfry1] 03/11/2018 19:21

superg1

I know that you do not waste time reading the posts by a number of people who seem to be trying their best to turn people off this company. I will not repeat what they posted either the attacks on our CEO or attacks on you yourself.
I do find it difficult to get my around why people want to spend hours reading and posting on a thread that goes against what they believe.
It’s a little like an English rugby fan
Spending all his time on the Welsh rugby fan site
Telling them how bad they are and how in some cases they are overvalued and just so wrong.
I would want to put all my energy and support behind something or someone I believed in.
I am like I have said before very novice
And extremely naive.
Please Superg1 do not ruin things and tell me they have ulterior motives

John

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 19:19

ridicule, a question on lse forum , so copied and pasted your post on there 👌

"BurtonS
Posts: 319
Opinion: No Opinion
Price: 128.00
BBC ch 9 last week (freeview)Today 01:06Did anyone watch the programme about future materials.
A company called renishaw has created a tungsten foam that can be printed to produce new joints for hips etc
In the program was an aerogel foam as well.
Somewhere in my memory I recollect that Neill ricketts held a position in renishaw.
There are a lot of potential connections with VRS if someone cleverer than me was to start looking in greater depth.
Foams, printing, etc.

[ellissj] 03/11/2018 18:48

This must be exciting and important research work. Cambridge university named as a partner in euro quantum flagship. Best ellis

Oct 29, 2018 11:02 AM

"The University of Cambridge is a partner in the Quantum Flagship, one of the most ambitious long-term research and innovation initiatives of the European Commission, funded under the Horizon 2020 programme with a budget of €1 billion over the next ten years.

The Quantum Flagship is the third large-scale research and innovation initiative of this kind funded by the European Commission, after the Graphene Flagship – of which the University of Cambridge is a founding partner – and the Human Brain Project. The Quantum Flagship work in Cambridge is being coordinated by Professor Mete Atature of the Cavendish Laboratory and Professor Andrea Ferrari, Director of the Cambridge Graphene Centre"......“Quantum technology is a key investment area for Europe, and layered materials show great promise for the generation and manipulation of quantum light for future technological advances,” said Ferrari. “The Graphene Flagship led the way for these large European Initiatives, and we are pleased to be part of the new Quantum Flagship. The Flagships are the largest and most transformative investments in research of the European Union, and will cement the EU leadership in future and emerging technologies.”

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 18:24

If the article is about military threat, which is unclear, then it is best to start to look at differences and look at our own behaviour first.

[ellissj] 03/11/2018 18:16

We're hiring :) Upscaling project. Glalth. Best ellis

"Vacancy for Project Scientist
A position exists for a Project Scientist to work on upscaling a process to develop conductive graphene inks and to develop demonstrators.
The employee will be located in the Cambridge Graphene Centre, University of Cambridge, 9 JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge, CB3 0FA, UK.
The aim is to upscale technology licensed by Cambridge Graphene Ltd. to produce graphene and related material inks to exploit the mechanical, thermal, optical and electrical properties of these materials. The employee will undertake the optimization and formulation of aqueous and solvent based inks and dispersions for a wide range of printing and coating techniques (e.g. doctor blade, spray coating, inkjet, flexo, gravure, screen printing). Inks based on such materials will be optimized for printing on a broad range of substrates including paper, plastics, glass and textiles, predominantly for battery and supercapacitor applications.
The position will involve characterising and quality checking the material and ink properties (graphene particle size, quality, conductivity, ink rheology, surface tension, etc.) and to develop demonstrators for applications such as smart packaging, touch screens, flexible electronics and sensors, for example.

The position will also involve drafting industry research proposals such as InnovateUK projects and working with other Versarien companies.
The successful candidate will have a PhD in Chemistry, Nanotechnology, Materials Science or closely related discipline. Preference will be given to candidates with proven expertise in preparation, optimisation, and characterization of inks based on graphene and related materials. Experience in handling industrial collaborations, including reporting with frequent and strict deadlines and attendance to project meetings is also highly desirable, as well as experience of managing own workload.
The salary for this position will depend on the applicant’s experience.
To apply for this vacancy please send your Curriculum Vitae (CV) and a covering letter to Stephen Hodge ([e-mail]).

If you have exceptional skills, are innovative and want to work in one of the most interesting and groundbreaking areas of technology, send your CV to [e-mail]"

[1teepee] 03/11/2018 18:14

So more people live to buy their stuff

[luckyorange] 03/11/2018 17:40

I do wonder with journalists whether they actually believe what they are writing or are they doing it to sell papers. Yes, what they are doing is wrong by our standards and culture as was the invasion of Tibet, but there is little balance in the report.

Here is one.

"The largest outbreaks ever occurred in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea between 2014 and 2016, causing more than 11,300 deaths in the three West African countries, according to the WHO.

China delivered the largest scale public health assistance in history to other countries following the outbreaks, including sending more than 1,000 medical and public health experts to the countries to help fight the disease. It provided 750 million yuan ($117 million) in assistance, according to the Foreign Ministry.

Gao, from the Chinese CDC, said China will intensify cooperation with African nations to help them better cope with infectious disease prevention and control."

[anley] 03/11/2018 17:18

Thank you for posting the content and I hope all BB readers pay attention to the message..............

I hope NR reads the article as well as she is a powerful jounalist.

[superg1] 03/11/2018 17:14

Rid

Years of complacency make it easy.

Quick hits would be easy re fraud but there is a bigger prize to be had of the whole house of fraudulent scumbags😎


It will be a good day and long overdue.

VRS will shine as time goes on and clearly far quicker than some anticipate imo.

[ridicule] 03/11/2018 16:55

Loggy/ Kempster is full of “Why! Oh why!” And - “Show me where I have told any lies!” Utter BS, all of it. NR tweeted in response to a 5th of November question. “I like big explosions.” While his Commercial Director, likened shorters to be standing in the middle of a railway line looking the wrong way as a 🚃 train 🚆 approaches.

It would be too tenuous a link to equate a big explosion to a Monday RNS, but, “ Is that the sound of a far off train siren I hear?” I really, really, really hope so!

Loggy, it is time you were toast!!

[axotyl] 03/11/2018 16:40

Torygraph, 2nov18 2000gmt (thanks, Anley - the military slant should light Stig's touch paper - remember him?)

The West must respond to China's rise with strategy, not ignorance and complacency.

The paper is called: “Ballistic Josephson junctions and vertical tunnelling transistors based on graphene heterostructures.221; It doesn’t exactly sound like a blockbuster. No one except a handful of physicists should care, right?

Wrong. In fact, there is something curious about this particular PhD thesis even for a layman. Among the funding organisations thanked in its “acknowledgements” section are several EU bodies, a UK science agency, the US Air Force and Navy and, alongside them all, one of China’s foremost military academies, the NUDT, run by the People’s Liberation Army.

In other words, this paper is the product of a rather unusual collaboration between Western research grants and China’s military budget.

Its author, an expert on the material graphene, wrote the paper while studying at the University of Manchester (home to the Graphene Institute) and, judging from his online academic profile, has now returned to the NUDT in Changsha, China. I should stress that I’m not accusing the chap of doing anything wrong. He’s undoubtedly a top-rate scientist and a hard worker. But his career path should raise some serious questions about a global shift that we in Britain have blithely ignored for far too long.

That shift is the rise of China. You might think you have heard quite enough about the rise of China. Donald Trump barely catches breath between complaints about Beijing. George Osborne was known for his slavish kowtows to Chinese dignitaries (including, incidentally, taking Chinese president Xi Jinping to visit Manchester’s National Graphene Institute, which receives Chinese funding).

Yet we, as a country, are guilty of unforgiveable naivety and ignorance about how the world’s newest superpower is extending its influence in our backyard.

Britain is unusual in this respect. In the US, China’s every move is neurotically examined for evidence of a threat to American supremacy. In Australia, think tanks and policymakers have woken up to a massive influx of Chinese money and influence over recent years.

And in Brussels, EU, German and French officials are busy developing a comprehensive strategy for how to manage Chinese investment. Here, much as we agonise and fret over influence-peddling by Russia, Saudi Arabia or Israel, we remain quite amazingly sanguine about China, a country more powerful and significant than all of the others put together.

That lack of interest is not reciprocated. A recent paper published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, which highlighted the physics collaboration cited above, details the startling degree to which China’s military scientists are getting their education and benefiting from open collaboration with Western academic institutions. And their second-favourite destination, after the US, is Britain.

The relationships detailed by the ASPI go far beyond official, government-managed cooperation between our military officials and China’s. They involve scientists from a variety of Chinese military technology institutes coming here to study subjects like advanced weaponry, ballistics, and military supercomputing, and then going straight home.

Some of these students engage in rather off practices, such as removing defence-related courses from their CVs, or claiming affiliation with non-military institutions that no longer exist, obscuring their ties to defence research. While here, the students are managed intensively through regular contact and surveillance to ensure they do not go native and start getting funny political ideas. When back home, they can no doubt expect glittering careers.

What’s shocking about all of this is not that China is doing everything it can to catch up or overtake other countries’ military technological advantages. It is that Western countries, and especially the UK, appear to have no strategy or process for preventing even the most basic kinds of infiltration. We are the softest of soft underbellies.

One of the reasons is Britain’s abiding belief in open exchange and the battle of ideas, combined with the shrewd calculation that if China is going to take over half the world, we might as well benefit. There is nothing inherently wrong with either of these principles, except when they are applied to a naïve extreme.

We need to remember, for one thing, that although we might admire and share some Chinese values – like the belief in academic excellence, hard work, entrepreneurialism and patriotism – this is fundamentally not a country whose political system we should venerate.

If you want to know why, just glance at the most recent horror story emerging from western China. Over recent weeks, it has become clear that Beijing is implementing on of the biggest mass imprisonment and indoctrination programmes the world has ever seen.

In response to unrest amongst the Uyghur ethnic group in the Xinjiang province, the government has locked up anywhere from 100,000 to one million people in isolated “re-education centres”, where they are taught the proper respect for the Chinese Communist Party.

Satellite imagery has recently revealed an extraordinary growth in these prison facilities, where anything, from possessing the “wrong” book to associating with the “wrong” people, is enough to get you detained. The clear-out has been so extensive that Western reporters visiting formerly thriving Uyghur cities report eerily empty streets and queues of families waiting to visit their detained relatives.

This is the raw reality of the Chinese system. The flipside, of course, is that China is also home to some of the most exciting business and scientific developments the world has ever seen. It is already producing many of the most important new technological advances, in fields ranging from bioengineering to renewable energy generation. Western countries can’t afford to cut themselves off from this exciting part of the world even if they wanted to.

What we must do, however, is think strategically about how to manage our interaction with China, protect our technology (military or commercial) and establish principles to guide our decisions. It was all very well being entirely open to the world in periods when Britain, or its ideological bedfellow, the US, reigned supreme.

But to apply the same logic to Beijing is absurd. Chinese companies, universities and artists are subject to a degree of political coercion and coordination we can barely imagine in Britain. There is no line between state and individual in China. In scientific research, its leaders talk of a “military-civil fusion” that would be unthinkable here.

At a bare minimum, therefore, our government needs to start helping British companies, investors, academics and so on to recognise when they are engaging in exchanges that will enrich us commercially and intellectually and when they are unwittingly collaborating with a political regime whose values are fundamentally repugnant and whose interests are directly opposed to ours. If we don’t wake up to the threat now, we might not have the chance later.

[anley] 03/11/2018 15:43

In this mornings Daily Telegraph PAGE33 article entitled;

"Britain is dangerously naive about the threat posed by China" by Juliet Samuel...

The first section talks about Graphene but its the last paragraph which mentions that "our government needs to start helping.............."

Can someone Twitter her ..... @CitySamuel and tell her what HMG has done for VRS and how important this is seen at very high level.

Perhaps NR might like to read this important article..............

[loglorry1] 03/11/2018 15:21

@superg you do know Neill recently tweeted that it was great to see FGR doing so well in reference to the mining product they have going with Rio Tinto?

Why would he do that if FGR are a fraud run by fraudsters?

You do know that Manchester Uni have invite FGR to supply them with Graphene for the next 2 years and that they are Teir 1 members of the GEIC with VRS and Haydale?

You are looking a bit stupid when you acuse these guys of being fraudsters. They may be obviously but can you provide some proof?