Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[owenga] 19/10/2018 08:02

Early sells again to try and knock the share price down...

[poombear] 19/10/2018 07:59

Thanks Spid81, will dig around on that a bit more. A few here have stated that FGR do not produce Graphene and there are no competitors when it comes to quality. It's important as investors that we have a clear view on that landscape.

[ellissj] 19/10/2018 07:58

Ramon spec used throughout this NPL definitive guide. Aimo. Best ellis

NPL good practice guide and future standards for graphene. (Pdf)

"Accurate and novel methods for particle size, concentration, chemistry and structure ... Government to 2D material capability across NPL: ... Proposal led by UK (C Clifford, A Pollard)."

[ratpat999] 19/10/2018 07:56

Rainbow how many pennies are u down now ?? Go and ask your mum if you can have some pocket money to put on more shorts 😂

[pshevlin] 19/10/2018 07:54

With first "graphite" it is interesting that the show the production machinery on the website whereas with VRS no-one gets a sniff of it. That can only mean to me that there is nothing special and protected about the FGR process.

[diversification] 19/10/2018 07:52

Good luck with your day trading rainbow, day to day volatility is of interest to few here.

[luckyorange] 19/10/2018 07:50

That's another one that Tim was trashing, the tide is turning chillpill.

[ellissj] 19/10/2018 07:49

It's crucial how your describe your 'graphene nanoplatelet product' because the iso 2D materials standard clearly defines what graphene is, and it does that through : numbers of layers, and the lateral dimension.

If you describe your 'graphene' product as 'Multi-layer or many-layer' nano-flake; its likely to be 'graphite' per iso 2D standard - ie above 10 layers thick.

For example, this Link to the nanene spec sheet describes it as 'few layer graphene.' As it is under 10 layers, Ie within iso standard.


Below is the definition of graphene per iso graphene standard. You will see, layers of 10 or under is called 'few layer graphene.' Or FLG for short. Ie just like nanene is called. -

ISO STANDARD:

"3.1.2   Terms related to graphene

3.1.2.1

graphene

graphene layer

single-layer graphene

monolayer graphene

single layer of carbon atoms with each atom bound to three neighbours in a honeycomb structure

Note 1 to entry: It is an important building block of many carbon nano-objects.

Note 2 to entry: As graphene is a single layer (3.1.1.5), it is also sometimes called monolayer graphene or single-layer graphene and abbreviated as 1LG to distinguish it from bilayer graphene (2LG) (3.1.2.6) and few-layered graphene(FLG) (3.1.2.10)."

Link to iso standard:



As a layman. Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis

[rainbow23] 19/10/2018 07:49

How much red will we see today? I'll go for eight,or ten if another collaboration is announced.

[luckyorange] 19/10/2018 07:46

Talking about 25% they will be off to FUM now to make that there!

Fortunately VRS are on the cusp, won't be long now.

[diversification] 19/10/2018 07:46

Spid81, how do they get on when it comes to production, scaleability of the production? Does it make financial sense?

I.e. In a race to a ton would one take 1week and another 1month to produce that quantity of product?

What I am saying is, give anyone long enough and you could reduce the layers in small quantity but this is about viable/commercial mass production.

[ellissj] 19/10/2018 07:18

Good overview of graphene here. Best

[foolishben] 19/10/2018 05:59

Share prices don't lie? I totally agree, that's why Versarien are only 25% off their all time closing high after tripling in price in 4 months. I would imagine most long term holders are very satisfied with that level of share price performance. Thanks for your advice though.

[axotyl] 19/10/2018 05:20

Lambix, thanks for posting the info on XG Sciences (post 41460) yesterday. Looks as though it was extracted from their quarterly report to the US Securities and Exchange Commission ending 30 June 2017 (see ).

It would be useful if anyone more qualified than Kempster/LogLorry could comment on their latest financial results, but cherry-picking through the figures produces:

Total Liabilities - US$10.7 million
Accumulated Deficit - US$51.8 million
Quarter ending 30 June 2017 Net loss - US$1.5 million on a revenue of US$284,709
6 months ending 30th June 2017 Net loss - US$2.9 million.

It's difficult to see why XG was selected as some sort of shining example to compare with VRS, but I'm sure LogLorry will be along to explain.

[spid81] 19/10/2018 05:15

Hi All,

Since you have been talking about FGR - First Graphene I thought I would add my part,

Chilli pill, Warwick Grigor advised that FGR are not required to have its graphene certified prior to the AIM listing,

The product information sheet that is currently on the companies website, Is for Andy Goodwin to use when he discusses FGR PureGraph with the companies endusers,

The company has stated the graphene is MLG,
MLG is 3-10 layers in thickness as UoM have previously indicated this on their website.
@Yowie21 indicated that FGR's graphene was vetted as part of the process in joining the GEIC as a Teir 1 member,all members graphene was tested prior to them being allowed to join the GEIC,
recently FGR has entered a sales agreement to supply graphene and other 2d materials with the UoM / GEIC

No doubt all of you have read the
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if you read the supplementary document in the link above you will find the following,

"In the case of graphene, the Raman spectra fingerprints allows the differentiation between monolayer, bilayers and few layers as reflected by changes in the Raman bands (G, D and 2D). Samples that are thicker than 5 layers are hard to distinguish from bulk graphite[8]."

"Atomic Force Microscopy. Atomic force microscopy (AFM) has proven to be particularly valuable for the study of flake thickness. In contact or tapping modes the sensor makes physical contact with the flakes[11] and gives reliable readings of the thickness[12]"


On the Versarien Nanene product information sheet its graphene layers has been determined by Raman Spec, Does anyone know what the results are with AFM ?



Density of FGR graphene vs others

I believe the lower the graphene density is per m3 mean the graphene consists of less layers.

Versarien Nanene - is 90% 10 layers or less, with 60% having 5 layers or less, this has a Tap Density of 162kg per m3
America Elements - average 5 layer, has a Tap Density of 100kg per m3
FGR Puregraph 20 - has a Tap Density of 251kg per m3
FGR Puregraph 10 -has a Tap Density of 124kg per m3
FGR Puregraph 5 - has a Tap Density of only 62kg per m3

With America Elements having a Tap Density of 100kg per m3 and being 5 layers in thickness, and Nanene having 90% of its graphene 10 layer or less with a density of 162 kgs per m3, this will mean that Puregraph 5 is less than 5 layers in thickness and Puregraph 10 is well under 10 layers.

[taurusthebear] 19/10/2018 05:00

That argument pre-supposes that any company that ever underperforms, or goes bust, doesn't have diectors or a CEO holding shares. It's fallacious.

Never "trust" anyone when it comes to money. And never get emotive about who is buying or selling and for what supposed reason. Share prices don't lie, whatever rumours and poison are spouted on here to try and explain them.

[foolishben] 19/10/2018 02:46

Good morning all from a sunny Singapore. Decided to add my two cents worth on why the shorter brigade have literally no chance of getting me to sell a single share any time soon. There are literally hundreds of reasons to hold but one that is absolutely key to me is that fact Neill holds over 10% of the shares himself. As we know, the share price spent a good chunk of the last month above 175 and reached an intra-day high of 194, pretty much triple the price of 5 months ago. In that time, Neill sold a paltry 403,720 shares on 12th June for 121, retaining interest in 15,250,000 or 10.26% of the company. Now if we can make a small leap of faith and assume that Neill knows a little more about Versarien's prospects than Tim Kempster and his bend of merry men (tough I know but work with me on this), surely Neill would have dumped a big load of shares on to the market around 175-194 and come up with some sort of typical ramping AIM CEO excuse? The fact he has decided to retain such a huge holding, suggests two things to me. Firstly he is a genuine bloke and someone I am happy to put my trust in. Secondly, with everything he knows about Versarien, he is exceptionally confident of being able to sell for a MUCH higher price in the not too distant future. Now I am not saying that if Neill sells 5-10% of his shares in the future after a big run up, I would necessarily run for the hills. I understand that CEO's occasionally need to enjoy the perks of their hard work and diversify their own risk from time to time and I didn't sell a single one on 12th June, in fact I bought more. What I am saying is if you are invested because you trust Neill's judgement, then it could be argued that selling up before he significantly (I.e 25%+) reduces his position would seem counter-intuitive, unless you have non company related reasons (trading, need for capital, diversification etc). What do you think Tim?

[sonsonnyjim] 18/10/2018 22:28

Diversification, what do you mean?

[johnveals] 18/10/2018 22:23

Pity you had to bring in the politics RTJ.

I would be interested to know what percentage of the Versarien share holding is represented here on ADVFN.

The poison the usual idiots drop is insidious and I have no doubt that there are those who have lost money by listening to these people. I have no doubt they are here for their own ends and in doing so seek to defraud others and I hope that the hole they are in is very deep.

[diversification] 18/10/2018 22:20

Sonny Jim, just a note on your twitter antics.

Make sure the opportunity doesn’t pass you by...

[evergreen8] 18/10/2018 21:58

Run - it may equally be the result of our modern day ‘Axis Sally’ and ‘Lord haw haw’ acting for those who would stand to benefit from a lower MC in their negotiations.
They try to drip poison in the ear of the LTH on this platform and seek to undermine the potential of vrs via every other channel they can access - they corrupt the core of their own being with every lie and deception and can only be pitied for their lives are rendered putrid by their own actions.

[ellissj] 18/10/2018 21:55

Imteresting dafad. As neill said in the poddy today, customers are amazed at the results +nanene yield and not always in the way they expect ! However, it's hard to see how this multistacking of pristine graphene layers really proves anything in the 3D world, at least yet ! Atb. Ellis