Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[grabster] 18/10/2018 21:05

Great stuff iambix (though a drop of 100% takes any share price to zero. A drop from $4300 to $0.5 is a fall of 99.99%)

[sandbag] 18/10/2018 21:04

People who tell untruths to scare shareholders into selling their shares are no better than the so called roofers who find vulnerable old people and rip them off for huge amounts of cash for doing absolutely zilch.
I haven't a clue what loglorry is saying. I've had him filtered for months if not more than a year. However it's been great fun the last two days noting the number of posts he's made. The more sg1 tells him he's committing fraud and that he (sg1) is on his case and will have him (loglorry) prosecuted the faster and more frantic the posts from loglorry become.
Go get him Tiger! We're all behind you!

[luckyorange] 18/10/2018 20:57

Algorithms seem to control > 50% of the world and 70% of the US stock market, amazing!

[luckyorange] 18/10/2018 20:53

iambix, at least they are being honest in that respect, those are some pretty damning statements and not a case for any type of investment.

[darkdogs] 18/10/2018 20:44

@loglorry, just for fun, IF the believers in the future are right, and these collabs lead to major orders. and NR isn't a fraud. What do you expect the value of VRS to be?

[iambix] 18/10/2018 20:40

Sorry, this is rather long.

XG Sciences, of which loglorry is so proud, say,

"We sell products to customers around the world and have sold materials to over
850 customers (entities that have purchased our materials) in 47 countries since
2008. Some of these customers are research organizations and some are commercial
organizations. Because graphene is a new material, our customers are developing
new uses for our products and purchase them in quantities consistent with
development purposes. A few of our customers have indicated to us that they have
introduced commercial products that use our materials, but our customers are
under no obligation to report to us on the usage of our materials. Our customers
have included well-known automotive and OEM suppliers around the world (Ford,
Johnson Controls, Magna, Honda Engineering) world-scale lithium ion battery
manufacturers in the US, South Korea and China (Samsung SDI, LG Chem, Lishen,
A123) and diverse specialty material companies (3M, BASF, Henkel, Dow Chemical,
Dupont) as well as many others."

Sounds great. And loglorry is right about Ford being a customer.

However, on the very same page as all the wonderful stuff above, XG Sciences go on to admit the real story:

"As of the date of this prospectus, we have not yet demonstrated sales of
products at a level capable of covering our fixed expenses. Since inception, we
have not demonstrated the capability to produce sufficient materials to generate
the ongoing revenues necessary to sustain our operations in the long-term. Nor
have we demonstrated the ability to generate sufficient sales to sustain the
business. There can be no assurance that the Company will ever produce a profit.

Many of the Company’s products represent new products that have not yet been
fully developed and for which manufacturing operations have not yet been fully
scaled. This means that investors are subject to all the risks incident to the
creation and development of multiple new products and their associated
manufacturing processes, and each investor should be prepared to withstand a
complete loss of their investment.

Because we are subject to these uncertainties, there may be risks that
management has failed to anticipate and you may have a difficult time evaluating
our business and your investment in our Company. Our ability to become
profitable depends primarily on our ability to successfully commercialize our
products in the future. Even if we successfully develop and market our products,
we may not generate sufficient or sustainable revenue to achieve or sustain
profitability, which could cause us to cease operations and you will lose all of
your investment.

We have no sustainable base of products approved for commercial use by our
customers, have never generated significant product revenues and may never
achieve sufficient revenues for profitable operations, which could cause us to
cease operations.

XG Sciences primarily sells bulk materials or products made with these materials
to other companies for incorporation into their products. A few customers have
incorporated our materials and offered them for sale in commercial markets.
However, to date, there has been no incorporation of our materials or products
into customer products that are released for commercial sale in sufficient
volume to cover the fixed costs. Because there is limited history of commercial
success for our products, it is possible that large scale adoption of our
materials may never happen and that we will never achieve the level of revenues
necessary to sustain our business."

This is why loglorry is our FRIEND who will make us RICH. Whatever he recommends, it will be a catastrophe - XG share price as mentioned has fallen by 8600%!

[luckyorange] 18/10/2018 20:36

Zina covered that one on twitter way back tini, VRS pay nothing!

[tini5] 18/10/2018 20:32

“The ones paying the biggest subscriptions usually get the best titles.”

Pretty sure VRS didn’t pay Tim/Loglorry - they were invited?

[superg1] 18/10/2018 20:27

Mryl

Good to know re your expertise.

The why re XG material is because XG have been around for years. Many worldwide have tried their 'graphene' which turned out to be many layer graphite.

Graphite will work for thermal, electrical and for modulus gains. No surprises there.

The many layer stuff is produced in the 100's of tonnes in China and that is the same graphene' that XG produce re their M, H and R grade graphene.

EG M grade


Grade M particles have an average thickness of approximately 6 - 8 nanometers.

That's 18-24 layers. In science papers on near all I read when measured it was always materially more layers than that.

Big names have tried it and it's no good for what they need, hence when someone like VRS could produce the right graphene at the right quality for effective performance then it has attracted interest.

I'm not sure what people are on that don't understand that there are many dozens of companies that can produce multi-layer graphite which they call graphene.

That's what the debate over standards is all about, trying to put an end to the BS in the market.

As for certain posters they lie for a living it seems.

[forestfred] 18/10/2018 20:23

Omg..
There is just message after message from he who I will not name !! but have now filtered him and his constant attempts to reduce the share price of this great company , it’s turning this board into a soap opera .

Good bye and good rid....
ff

[iambix] 18/10/2018 20:23

I had a look at the share price performance of XG Sciences. They are one of Versarien's competitors. The shares were valued at $4,300 each in October 2013. They are now worth half a dollar. That's a decline of 8600%.

[loglorry1] 18/10/2018 20:14

Oh and just to add not even VRS are saying their GnP is much better than the rest. Where on their website do you see stats that using Nanene for XYZ shows much better results than AN Other?

Some have said well it must be good because such and such are testing it. Well maybe they are testing a range of GnP solutions it would make perfect sense to.

I'm very sure Ford worked with several suppliers before choosing XGS..

NS is ultra promotional. He's gonna tell you about every sales lead. The rest of the pack prefer to just get on with it. Being loud and using Twitter has got private investors excited but he's set very high expectations and so far hasn't delivered. Case in point back in January he told you the Chinese were about to build you a free factory. Where is it? Oh yeah now there's 30!

[loglorry1] 18/10/2018 20:02

@Myrl thanks for your post. Sorry been out all day. I take what you say at face value and thanks for your input. However how can you say that VRS have a superior product to other GnP suppliers as I'm assuming you haven't tested it and compared it to the other solutions out there for the particular applications you cite? It really then comes down to valuation. VRS have a market cap 8-10 times higher than say XGS. However they make the same claims as VRS do and more about their product, have loads of collaborations, have invested far more on R&D and scale up.

Can you hand on heart say that VRS's method of preparing GnP produces a far superior product? Even NR acknowledged that their method will soon be copied.

I'm actually genuinely interested if there is anything special about Nanene. I did put it to Phillip Rose CEO of XGS that Nanene must be better and sent him the spec sheet. His reply was that if the customer wanted the properties described they would work with that customer and could provide them.

You see nobody is saying Nanene is better or worse than other GnP out there it's just another one. So then you've got to ask yourself why pay the 10x premium for it?

It's also not logically correct that I'm believing one supplier over another. I'm not. I'm saying they are making similar claims so why pay 10x more for the one doing no material sales.

Lastly I wouldn't get too hung up on who is invited on what council or membership committee. The ones paying the biggest subscriptions usually get the best titles.

The companies to watch get on and do sales with large international companies like Ford Motors not those messing around with silly mobile Apps and hiring civil servants to run sales teams.

Sorry no time to reply to others today. Except I did have to laugh when someone told me not to hassle SuperG. There was me thinking him calling me a fraud, scumbag and criminal it might be the other way around.

[loglorry1] 18/10/2018 20:02

@Myrl thanks for your post. Sorry been out all day. I take what you say at face value and thanks for your input. However bhoe can you say that VRS have a superior product to other GnP suppliers as I'm assuming you haven't tested it and compared it to the other solutions out there for the particular applications you cite? It really then comes down to valuation. VRS have a market cap 8-10 times higher than say XGS. However they make the same claims as VRS do and more about their product, have loads of collaborations, have invested far more on R&D and scale up.

Can you hand on heart say that VRS's method of preparing GnP produces a far superior product? Even NR acknowledged that their method will soon be copied.

I'm actually genuinely interested if there is anything special about Nanene. I did put it to Phillip Rose CEO of XGS that Nanene must be better and sent him the spec sheet. His reply was that if the customer wanted the properties described they would work with that customer and could provide them.

You see nobody is saying Nanene is better or worse than other GnP out there it's just another one. So then you've got to ask yourself why pay the 10x premium for it?

Lastly I wouldn't get too hung up on who is invited on what council or membership committee. The ones paying the biggest subscriptions usually get the best titles.

The companies to watch get on and do sales with large international companies like Ford Motors not those messing around with silly mobile Apps and hiring civil servants to run sales teams.

Sorry no time to reply to others today. Except I did have to laugh when someone told me not to hassle SuperG. There was me thinking him calling me a fraud, scumbag and criminal it might be the other way around.

[1retirement] 18/10/2018 19:51

Anyone want to ask Tim Kempster (loglorry) how his investment in Bowleven is going? Is it true that he bought shares in the company at £4 (now worth ~27p). To be fair if I'd made as many investments in duff companies I'd switch strategy and just short everything. Its now end of 2018 but they said they were going to start producing in 2016! Note: they are still bleeding money running drill tests in Cameroon. hTTps://www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/13137271.shareholders-at-bowleven-turn-heat-on-board/

[sonsonnyjim] 18/10/2018 18:42

GDP,jobs and world leadership. Guess thatd do...

[luckyorange] 18/10/2018 18:38

Interesting the valuation argument, should 2D Tech be put up for sale as a stand alone entity I do wonder what valuation would be put on it with the huge stride forward it has made.

Difficult one to put a value on when you think that i.e. Dyson spent £50 million developing a hairdryer!

[ellissj] 18/10/2018 18:32

Indeed 'entire fabric of our lives!' Especially if the major sports apparell firm eventually uses +nanene ! :))) seriously tho, 2D very inspirational stuff ! Atb. Ellis

[laginaneil] 18/10/2018 18:24

Hello folks,
Continue to be amazed at what Graphene can do. Look at this page.
Mobile phone DNA machines ! Graphene nanopores..



Before someone says it's not big volume, I know that but it illustrate how Graphene can penetrate the entire fabric of our lives.

[par4artthou] 18/10/2018 17:59

Hi mryl.

Thanks for the reply but I think I should point out that my comment was a sarcastic dig at Kempster, although perhaps that didn't come across well.
Have been a holder since 23p and have managed to gather a reasonable holding.(for me anyway) and don't intend selling till the big money comes.
cheers par4

[rainbow23] 18/10/2018 17:37

Remind me, how many orders do vrs have? Looking good for £1.30 tomorrow.