Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[woodpeckers] 17/10/2018 08:33

Thanks guys, very useful. Think I'll open one with HL now for the rest of my money.

[shavian] 17/10/2018 08:33

Ellis: are you suggesting that NR is going to the WEF in Davis in January?

[pshevlin] 17/10/2018 08:30

RE all the 5k 10k etc trades is it clear that a fund is still selling down? I would have thought that they had pretty well run out by now and if not how lon do we have to put up with it?

[mj10] 17/10/2018 08:29

woody
use HL you can transfer money and use it straight away

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 08:26

The world economic forum ; it's the annual davos meeting of worlds movers shakers. They seem to know all about graphene ? Seems positive to me ! Best ellis.

"The WEF is best known for its annual meeting at the end of January in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alpsregion of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 2,500 top business leaders, international political leaders, economists, celebrities and journalists for up to four days to discuss the most pressing issues facing the world."

[club sandwich] 17/10/2018 08:26

Woody - I put money in my HL account, it shows straight away and I can use it immediately.

[luckyorange] 17/10/2018 08:25

Interesting Andy

"An ambitious trade agreement between our two countries could further expand this relationship by removing existing goods and services tariff and non-tariff barriers and by developing cutting edge opportunities for emerging sectors where US and UK innovators and entrepreneurs are most competitive.'

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 08:21

Sorry pc joe. Reread my post. I am proposing 3 grades to accomodate and organise the graphene versus graphite industries, under a revised iso standards;

Thus;

1. under 10 layers of graphite flake becomes 'graphene'

2. Between 10-20 (or whatever can be agreed) of graphite flake becomes 'graphite plus.'

3. 20 plus layers become, simply graphite.

Obviously, i know this is simplistic, becuase other qualities come into the equation ie lateral size of individual flakes. But atm, there isn't enough clarity to know what's what, especially for investors who get caught by 'graphene' claims by firms who don't produce actual graphene. Hope that helps understand my reasoning :) aimo. Best ellis

[woodpeckers] 17/10/2018 08:21

Barclays are so annoying, not only have my PB shares still not landed in my investment account account (not that that really matters) but having put money with a debit card in to my SIPP account it apparently takes up to 5 days to be able to clear and be able to invest! Do other companies handle money put in to SIPPs in the same way?

[andymoore07] 17/10/2018 08:18

Trump says he wants talks for a 'cutting edge' free trade deal with UK https://dailym.ai/2PAZyH2I wonder what trump has been told these last couple days to say this yest

[squire007] 17/10/2018 08:14

Morning, off to a fast start this morning ... buying strong, happy days returning.

[pcjoe] 17/10/2018 08:04

Ellis if I remember right the new iso has already agreed & settled on the definition of graphene - Things are likely being held up by unhappy "graphene" companies but frankly that ship has already sailed imho - the ISO already has an agreed definition of Graphene - if the product doesn't meet these standards then they will have to be re labelled as graphite or risk being done for a breach of trade description laws - outflanked, out thought & hopefully never to share a graphene podium with our esteemed CEO again

[vrs1] 17/10/2018 08:03

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Also Texas based.

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 08:03

Neill retweet. A video by 'world economic forum' showing how graphene could make computers 1000x faster and consume only 1% power v current tech. Glalth. Best ellis

"graphene , next #industrial #revolution?"

[vrs1] 17/10/2018 08:00

Well spotted Dafad. Just googled ia coatings. Brilliant potential partner.

[tomduck] 17/10/2018 08:00

EllissJ - agreed 👍

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 07:46

This whole standards thing is a dogs breakfast. Quite clearly high spec graphite products can improve certain products. Eg rubber. Cement, coatings, additives, thermal products etc. And so many bona fide producers of this higher spec graphite choose to call their products graphene, so to distinguish it from lower grade graphite. Therefore, as a rough guide, if as per the proposed iso standards, graphite products under 10 layers thick may be called 'graphene' there should be another grade from 10-20 (or whatever can be agreed!) layers to accomodate a higher grade of graphite and these producers, calling it say 'graphite plus.'

The 10 layers is set by the standards committee, because this is the level at which graphite effectiveness falls away considerably rendering it mostly unfit for composites etc.

To my mind, this would would keep everybody happy. A marketplace could form around Graphene, Graphite Plus, and Graphite. Benefitting producers, researchers and industry customers.

At the moment, the lines are blurred, and helps no one. Neill in effect sharing the stage yesterday with 2 'graphite plus' producers. Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis.

[anotherdrink] 17/10/2018 07:43

So Uber is potentially going to be valued at $120 billion if floated next year. And yet people ask if we can justify our market cap :)

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 07:29

Yes agreed, interesting link dafad. Maybe a 'graphite' producer (per iso stnds) has found the real thing and is smitten ! Rather in the way gnano realised +nanene improved their supercap tech beyond their own 'graphene' product ? Makes you wonder how may firms/uni lab discoveries are waiting for +nanene/graphinks to come along without realising it ! Serendipity rules ok ! Aimo. Best ellis

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 07:20

Wonder how this UOM research break through is getting on 3 years later ? 2D LED graphene displays discovery. Glalth. Best ellis

2 February 2015

Graphene displays clear prospects for flexible electronics

Semi-transparent, flexible electronics are no longer just science-fiction thanks to graphene’s unique properties, University of Manchester researchers have found.

Published in the scientific journal Nature Materials, University of Manchester and University of Sheffield researchers show that new 2D ‘designer materials’ can be produced to create flexible, see-through and more efficient electronic devices.

The team, led by Nobel Laureate Sir Kostya Novoselov, made the breakthrough by creating LEDs which were engineered on an atomic level.

The new research shows that graphene and related 2D materials could be utilised to create light emitting devices for the next-generation of mobile phones, tablets and televisions to make them incredibly thin, flexible, durable and even semi-transparent.

The LED device was constructed by combining different 2D crystals and emits light from across its whole surface. Being so thin, at only 10-40 atoms thick, these new components can form the basis for the first generation of semi-transparent smart devices.

One-atom thick graphene was first isolated and explored in 2004 at The University of Manchester. Its potential uses are vast but one of the first areas in which products are likely to be seen is in electronics. Other 2D materials, such as boron nitiride and molybdenum disulphide, have since been discovered opening up vast new areas of research and applications possibilities.

By building heterostructures – stacked layers of various 2D materials – to create bespoke functionality and introducing quantum wells to control the movement of electrons, new possibilities for graphene based optoelectronics have now been realised.

Freddie Withers, Royal Academy of Engineering Research Fellow at The University of Manchester, who led the production of the devices, said: “As our new type of LED’s only consist of a few atomic layers of 2D materials they are flexible and transparent. We envisage a new generation of optoelectronic devices to stem from this work, from simple transparent lighting and lasers and to more complex applications.”

Explaining the creation of the LED device Sir Kostya Novoselov said: “By preparing the heterostructures on elastic and transparent substrates, we show that they can provide the basis for flexible and semi-transparent electronics.

“The range of functionalities for the demonstrated heterostructures is expected to grow further on increasing the number of available 2D crystals and improving their electronic quality.”

Prof Alexander Tartakovskii, from The University of Sheffield added: "The novel LED structures are robust and show no significant change in performance over many weeks of measurements.

“Despite the early days in the raw materials manufacture, the quantum efficiency (photons emitted per electron injected) is already comparable to organic LEDs.”

[jointer13] 17/10/2018 07:15

that's an interesting link davad.

[ellissj] 17/10/2018 07:12

Just watched the cpi packaging vid superg; v impressive and ready made for graphinks i imagine ! Atb ellis

[grabster] 17/10/2018 07:00

Thanks Hew. As a free non-paying member at Investors Hub the guidance notes say I cannot include live links in posts :-(

At least I think that's what it means (it says they will be disabled).So I'm having to rely on readers Googling the name Versarien.

It might just mean that they disable links (by auto-converting tt to xx like they do here) in which case making it TT might work there like it does here. But I don't want to risk being barred. Besides, it looks like there is no EDIT facility to alter posts except within 15 minutes of composing.

EDIT: I have duplicated my original Versarien message in the 'Viewers Choice' section within the 'User's Groups' zone - message number 5671