Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[ratpat999] 01/9/2018 14:41

3 ton a year I believe

[serratia] 01/9/2018 13:54

pc,

Someone might have heard Neill when I asked what size is the largest machine I THINK he said 1t/week ? Anyone remember ?

[realcooltrader] 01/9/2018 13:42

Greetings from sunny Thassos. Lousy wi-fi coverage, it’s taken me ages to get online. Owt happening? I see the share price is holding up well.

[superg1] 01/9/2018 13:24

Anyone at the Cambridge investor day may have heard that name and others which now happen to be known to be engaged with VRS.

There are shed load more of big names in the background. They are the more news to come items mentioned in existing news.

[pcjoe] 01/9/2018 13:23

Serratia - thats my vision - A standard 10 - 12 machine plant (plus one spare for breakdowns/maintenance!) producing circa 30T Nanene a year - At £1 per G thats likely a Unicorn maker right there by itself if its VRS owned & run - & then we roll them out on license ( the same deal everywhere) & watch the serious money roll back


Very quiet on the Graphene googling news front at the mo - All a bit surreal - A bit like the start of World War two in France - You just know its about to kick off big time - just not sure when

Build yer shelters folks - A tax one that is...

Finger crossed

[serratia] 01/9/2018 12:18

Just a thought.

Dyson has a technology centre in China. The present VRS machine can do 1 tpa and there is a much larger capacity machine. At the recent VRS meeting they said they were looking at how to run 10 machines with the same labour force.
To maintain secrecy could VRS start production by setting up inside Dyson's site ? 10 machines of the larger capacity would not take up that much space and with automated units not require many operators. Maybe even staffed by UK employees.

[laginaneil] 01/9/2018 12:18

Tried to get a graphene spec etc from - [e-mail]
..the email address does not work for me.

[johnveals] 01/9/2018 11:34

I think we have to differentiate between the supply of graphene in bulk and the +Nanene brand applied to some, but not all, finished products. Whilst I am sure NR has a plan I am equally sure it is not written in stone.

[johnveals] 01/9/2018 11:24

Carbon black enhances the durability and life of tyres.

[graphite bot] 01/9/2018 11:19

Thinking out loud. If Versarien does a deal with China USA or anybody else. We are endorsing there product and allow them to use the +Nannene Logo. In the same way that cokecola is made worldwide . But it can only be called coke cola if they say so. Using there ingredients and methods. Versarien will be the only company with iso for a long while. We still have not completed it and we are helping to write it. Big companies will only buy iso materials because it means someone else has done all the checks for them . Moving forward we have so much to look forward to.

[ellissj] 01/9/2018 11:14

Indeed superg, which has been borne out as VRS look increasingly likely to deliver upon their 'major advance' in graphene tech RNS 2015.

Which means their 'significant advance' in battery tech RNS 2018 should deserve closer attention. Aimo. Best ellis

[superg1] 01/9/2018 11:00

BTW

I did chat to NR way back about he silicon valley events.

Some were standing on stage saying "We have the biggest, best, can do tonnes of the stuff we are king of the world"

Such BS folk forget they are talking to Silicon Valley majors who have heard it all before. One or two got torn to shreds on basic questions about claims apparently it got quite embarrassing for some.

NR stood up and said "We can do about 100 grams per day currently, and it's good results when tested in products which is verified by the UOM/NGI."

No BS just facts and he apparently got a lot of interest.

Move forward in time and the NGA have him on board and as the first council member.

I did say the US guys like him and VRS. The big names like VRS they like the no BS status. They love the fact that VRS have built up such depth within the graphene and 2D materials industry.

All created from a no BS approach. I hate BS I don't know anyone that likes it. Yet countless chancers try in on day in day out. Why... because some mugs will fall for it.

The no BS is a reason why for some time VRS felt under the radar and didn't appear on the graphene producers list.

AGM has appeared on every list for years and still as they pumped themselves to death.

[lovat scout] 01/9/2018 10:56

I don’t understand PRSM enough so I didn’t invest although I know a man who does and he’s now out because he feels share price has got ahead of itself. His view - great tech with some barriers to entry and leader in its field but in a sector that’s always evolving and highly susceptible to IP theft/copying.

I suppose the same business metrics could be said for VRS but as far as I can understand, it appears VRS are keeping a very tight rein on the production process, thereby (hopefully)reducing the possibility of IP theft etc. I also like the idea of JVs in markets that don’t have great records of enforcing copyright infringements and IP theft, as sharing the spoils with a local partner keeps them keen too.

AIMHO .....

[superg1] 01/9/2018 10:51

Grabster

Spid has posted posts on here. He is a big believer in one of them.

All 3 Aus companies appeared claiming they have the biggest best and most cost effective world-wide etc. They can't all be that and as I recall all dumped in on the graphite hype mine hype before moving to graphene hype. Also as I recall one calling their mine the bestest ever worldwide had now put it on care and maintenance.

On any share when an Aussie accent appears high up I jog on.

I do wonder how they managed to infiltrate every company worldwide to build up a database of tightly held information on the methods used, yields, quality of the product and costs involved. Amazing work, MI6 will be head hunting them (for job offers)

That's what you would have to do to say best, cheapest etc.

If you recall Talga were saying that but then I found a job ad well after all the claims.

The job ad (UK) clearly said they had nothing to sell yet but that they were making a lot of noise in the market. News releases didn't mention they had nothing to sell.

They wanted someone to go and "bang on doors" in the UK. They gave a Cambridge office address. One of ours did a visit and after questions the answer was "who"

As I say once you spot BS jog on. It will mean that much of the hype you can't nail down as lies probably does have many lies included.

[ellissj] 01/9/2018 10:43

Lag that tyre agreement. Their defn of GNP's is 'multilayer graphene or graphene flakes'...looks like a iso fail to me ie not like vrs. Aimo. Best ellis

[superg1] 01/9/2018 10:36

Spin forward to today and you have folk like that trying to suggest the POS XG is a viable and top business. Folk that have no clue what real graphene is as they say 100's do it in commercial quantities.

The NPL, UOM, NGI and other graphene experts around the world say that 95% of claims are junk and that it has materially damaged the progress of graphene. Hence the drive to introduce standards to identify graphene that does work.

XG is one of chief suspects that caused the need to bring in standards.

[meganxmas] 01/9/2018 10:36

Fascinating re perpetuus look forward to update.

[alchemy] 01/9/2018 10:31

I wonder if China news might be kept until Parliament is sitting once again?

[shavian] 01/9/2018 10:30

Laginaneil thank you for this. So - Perpetuus resurfaces, complete with their claims of a 500 ton annual graphene capacity of ‘graphene materials’ and successful trials with their graphene in tyres. Building a new factory in S Wales as well.

Hmmm: when I drove past their site in Ammanford last year - two scruffy units on a rundown industrial estate - it was deserted, with piles of mail inside the door. Tumbleweed blowing about, almost. I assumed they had moved, but their website had not been updated since 2015, and that remains the case this morning:



Having assumed that Perpetuus was an ex-parrot, I am fascinated to see where Graphene-Info gets this news and I have asked the editor Ron Mertens if he has more details. Update follows!

[club sandwich] 01/9/2018 10:28

Fest - you've got mail.

[772] 01/9/2018 10:26

Not heard much about Perpetuus before, look at their website and you would believe they are running neck and neck with us. I think they are using a different production method so don't really know whether they are as good or not.