Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[1teepee] 18/8/2018 19:42

I didn't write that msg one msg ago

[1teepee] 18/8/2018 19:39

Plus, gaw, fevr, zoo

[chopsy] 18/8/2018 18:44

RTJ bur and vpc, that brings back memories!

[haz101] 18/8/2018 18:35

Was at a customers house earlier today he had a bmw 3 series in the drive getting charged so I asked him how long it took to charge ‘oh 3-4 hours it’s a hybrid u know’ so I said ‘ u know u will be able to charge a car like that in less than 5 mins soon’ somehow I don’t think he believed me

[ashehzi] 18/8/2018 18:27

I held for sometime prsm but not anymore. Traded it from 500p to 1800p at different times but not any more. I agree regarding risk reward and know some mgmt in prsm from past work.

VRS is kind of my first penny stock and still happy with it.

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Axotyl, ignore such websites. Nobody from US will invest by going to such websites but if someone does, their research is flawed.

[runthejoules] 18/8/2018 18:18

One of biggest regrets, not getting into PRSM the moment I read about it in SHARES, I think I had qualms about sacking huge numbers of people, but now I realise it's sheer Luddism. Could have been an 18 bagger! But had a huge dip 1700-1000 I think it was. More volatile than VRS. So lovat your mate might get his chance.

Other massive shoulda would couldas: Gear4music... selling out of NVDA, not buying APPL just before Buffet did like I was thinking about, not buying Apple just after Buffet did... and even selling SPE to buy VRS rather than selling a load of old cobblers. Anyone else got as many ones that got away, or perfectly good shares/cars/partners that you got rid of far too early? Might make me feel better... oh and BUR!

[lovat scout] 18/8/2018 16:55

SG - I’m no software expert but I know a man who is! His view is that PRSM are cutting edge but he has sold out as the risk reward isn’t there at the moment - he’ll happily buy back in on a cheaper rating.

[axotyl] 18/8/2018 16:49

Thanks, guys. That explains it.

So are those reports always twaddle?

And, if so, are they of any use to anyone?

Edit
Just one thing - in that NYSE report the title was Versarien, so assume that was a mistake, but if it wasn't, and there's a company in the US called Versarien, that could be a potential confusion for 'our' US adventure.

[superg1] 18/8/2018 16:32

Lovat

No potential for black swans there then.

I'm aware of them but with software it's impossible to track others.

I wonder how many can explain how it works.

Just me, I steer clear like the Buffet rule of understanding. A hot sector so money piles into it.

[alchemy] 18/8/2018 16:19

This time next year, Unicorn with two horns , how can that be?

[lovat scout] 18/8/2018 16:14

scrutable - tad harsh! As I pointed out PRSM and VRS are not directly comparable and PRSM is IMO 12-18 months further down the path to sustained success.

Where there is similarity is that they are both potentially high growth pre-profit good quality companies with market leading products and very credible management that investors believe will deliver, hence the ratings.

Both these companies still have it all to do and although I think PRSM is a class act, I disagree with your confident assessment that the sales forecasts justify the £1.3bn market cap and it’s all in the bag - PRSM still very much has to deliver the strong growth reflected in the share price.

[ashehzi] 18/8/2018 15:37

Axotyl, these are auto generated articles just like auto trading. They look at different signals and articles get generated daily. Nothing to read beyond. Dont waste time there. Same applies to other stocks and such auto articles.

[grabster] 18/8/2018 15:15

- so in the future when Versariend DOES eventually go for a listing on the Nasdaq (!) it won't be with the VRS ticker ;-)

And yes (4) - it is computer generated twaddle, I get similar twaddle daily regarding the real Versarien; it goes from inbox to trash ;-)

[1teepee] 18/8/2018 14:36

There r 5 different vrs's on 5 different stock exchanges

[moljen] 18/8/2018 14:32

axotyl - looks like it's talking about a company called Verso NYSE:VRS

[axotyl] 18/8/2018 13:54

I'm sure someone can solve this minor mystery, which has been ongoing since I've been into VRS:

Like many of us I use Google Alerts for daily searches with relevant keywords for VRS, graphene, Nanene etc. Most of the stuff which comes back is out-of-date, or of little interest. But a fairly regular message is titled "Versarien Daily Update / News" and comes from some outfit called the Brookville Times (press release).

Yesterday's was titled: Versarien Plc (NYSE:VRS) on the Investor Radar: 20 Day Upper Keltner at 122.67892

​There's an intro para about what investors are looking for and then this:

Traders following shares of Versarien Plc (NYSE:VRS) may have noted that the stock most recently closed at 119.35. Going back a full-year, the stock has seen a change of 651.81104 over that stretch. Taking the focus in to more recent action, shares have seen a move of -1.7695473 over the last week. Over the prior month, the stock has moved -9.239544. Over the past three months, the stock has moved 83.61539.

Many traders will look to optimize stock trades by using various technical indicators. The Ichimoku Cloud indicator is highly flexible and is commonly used in conjunction with the RSI to help confirm momentum and overall trends. Let’s focus on a few different Ichimoku readings on shares of Versarien Plc (NYSE:VRS):

Ichimoku Cloud Base Line: 120.225
Ichimoku Cloud Conversion Line: 120.2555
Ichimoku Lead 1: 124.00625

Ichimoku Lead 2: 121.45​

​etc.

The whole link is here:

So my questions are:

1) Is Versarien quoted on the NYSE (couldn't find it)?
2) Is there another company with the same name in the US​? (couldn't find it either)
3) Some share price figures approx. tally with VRS's Sterling SP, which seems more than a coincidence?
4) Is all that stuff just computer-generated twaddle?

In other words, Google spiders go off on the hunt for share price info on thousands of companies, but aren't intelligent enough to figure which stock exchange they're burrowing, nor currency. This data is then plugged into some Tech Analysis software to come up with impressive jargon on Ichimoku (no, I don't know) readings, or whatever.

In other words, is it complete garbage, generated in error, or am I barking up the wrong tree, and this is genuinely useful stuff?

[ellissj] 18/8/2018 13:48

Lol superg. The problem is this share is just too exciting to leave it alone ! Your sterling efforts as always appreciated. Atb. Ellis

[scrutable] 18/8/2018 13:26

lovat scout 17 Aug '18 - 26930

PRSM is operating in a different industry but the valuation metrics are interesting for another pre-profit company with management investors believe in (for now!).

PRSM price/sales is 25x Oct 2018 forecast and VRS p/s is 21.5x March 2018 historic.

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Sorry but this comparison is utterly invalid. PRSM is fully commercialised and rapidly growing Revenues are forecastable for this global leading pure AI company, and even its unporofuitabilty pro tem masks large up front subscription payments for which accounting credit can not yet be realised.

[superg1] 18/8/2018 13:01

Ellis

From the reading the link looks highly likely.

I tried some other bits and found other routes to go down then thought, NO NO STOOOOOOPPPPPP or I'll be chasing web searches all week.

There is plenty going on at VRS, there imo is no need to any more research.

BTW I did some graphene Hbn combined searches this morning and it just opens up a vast area to research with some very interesting applications.

I'm not going to bother.

So many binary bets on the AIM, with 2D materials and VRS there are simply too many opportunities to even begin to try to count them.

[ellissj] 18/8/2018 12:55

Great find superg. i still like the 'significant advances' phrase in that rns, very encouraging. Atb. Ellis

[ellissj] 18/8/2018 12:43

Very kind of you to say so, but just an ordinary PI here, trying to make the most out of my SIPP ! Btw, I didn't go all in 2 years ago, been adding as news flowed. For me, the variable is 'how long until industries widely adopt 2D materials?' Conventional city view is 'oh graphene, that's years off, it's still a teenager!' My hunch now, is alot sooner than that, because the gains from graphene v conventional are too large to ignore. And machinery on order. As others say, vrs only needs one big collab to come good, for holders to be handsomely rewarded. And neill and co have done very well to be involved with so many industry sectors and players. We are well positioned for the opportunity it seems. Good luck. Aimo. Best ellis

[superg1] 18/8/2018 12:36

Little nudges like that can change the usual research route on bits long since untouched.

EG

In an article from earlier this year.

Energy: Graphene supercapacitors and batteries, developed by Thales Research and Technology (France), IIT - Istituto Italiano di Tecnologia (Italy) and the Cambridge Graphene Centre (UK) which can be printed, have high energy density and rapidly charge and discharge will be used in mobile devices and make high power more portable.

So Cambridge involved and "can be printed"

That takes me back to the Cordis document.

Nov 2017 VRS ink

One of the applications he particularly believes in is the ink’s integration into batteries. Thanks to this, enhanced batteries with higher storage density and recyclability may be produced. This integration process is in fact already on track: Although Prof. Ferrari says it’s too soon to give out more information, he has already obtained further funding to bring HIGRAPHINK’s production technique to batteries.

RNS 2nd July 2018

note "WMG and their partner companies"


Versarien has been working with WMG (Warwick Manufacturing Group) and their partner companies and scientists at the universities of Warwick and Cambridge to collaborate on the production of power storage devices such as batteries and supercapacitors using Versarien's proprietary Nanene graphene nano platelets. Significant advances have been made through incorporating the Company's high quality graphene into these devices and the Company looks forward to commercial products becoming available in due course.

August
2018 a job ad just out.

Research by Thales Research and Technology (TRT) in Palaiseau, France, has shown that novel graphene electrodes can vastly enhance the energy density of capacitors. TRT has a leadership in the field of depositing carbon nanomaterials for different applications such as sensors, supercapacitors and memories devices. This PhD will exploit the new facilities, for pre-industrial fabrication of electrodes with nanomaterials, at Thales Research and Technology site in Palaiseau, and combine with WMG’s expertise in electrode and cell prototype manufacturing.

This PhD aims to address three areas;
Understanding of the effects of production processes on various supercapacitor form factors
Industrialization of graphene and other 2D material supercapacitors
Understanding of applicability of supercapacitors to hybrid capacitor/battery energy storage systems

Now that lot is about 20 mins of research and news to me.

You see why I've stopped doing it. I could go on all day now hunting for WMG, Thales and the VRS connection.

It seems a fair chance to me going on the above that Thales are linked in re the batteries as in the RNS.

[haz101] 18/8/2018 12:17

Thanks Ellis, would of loved to have bought again on the dip but unfortunately was maxed out at the time, happy to continue investing when I can as I think we are only on the tip of things to come, always like to hear other more learned take on things to give a better view, one thing I have learned this far in life is to listen when others give advice

best regards
Haz

[psxtalks2u] 18/8/2018 12:15

GEIC.....Sneak peek!

[superg1] 18/8/2018 12:15

The original Nokia link (also in Mike's report) now doesn't work.

Here is some detail which shows Nokia and others help fund the graphene centre

The Government funding for the Centre is complemented by strong industrial support, worth an additional £13 million, from over 20 partners, including Nokia, Dyson, Plastic Logic, Philips and BaE systems. A further £11M of European Research Council funding will support activities with the Graphene Institute in Manchester, and Lancaster University.


Note Plastic Logic, they had the spin out Flexenable who we know are working with VRS ink.

Anyone at the Cambridge investor day will also recognise some other relevant names on the above list.

I'll keep hunting.