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[anotherdrink] 29/7/2018 20:40

'Wait and see :)' - NR's reply to an enquiry about his recent photo shoot - intriguing....he's such a tease....

[sonsonnyjim] 29/7/2018 18:42

Neil saying hed love to disclose nanene sales but can't

[johnveals] 29/7/2018 17:52

Food for thought Andy. Most of that I have heard before, except the testosterone patches from 2011 that somehow passed me by. But with no smoking gun ...

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 17:39

Getting frustrated moving tech from universities to industry

Zina Jarrahi Cinker
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@Grapheneexpert
Jul 19
Day two visit to the National Graphene Institute (NGI) in Manchester.
Great chat with with the Graphene Nobel Laurent, Sir Novoselov on challenges of technology transfer at universities. Apparently it is not just the US!



I don't know if scientists are purists at heart or they do embrace the realities of cost v benefit in the cruel hard world , that is where small companies like VRS step in/are approached and convinced that it may indeed come to something.

Wonder who it was that convinced George Osborne to invest in UOM (with the countrys money of course).

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 17:29

Well that has put that one to bed andy lol.

In line with the rest of your posts they would only need a smidgeon of Nanene anyway, but just a mention of it would cascade down to the rest of the cycling fraternity who spend huge amounts on their hobby (not all), just to point out to their pals how up to date and state of the art their bike is.

[pcjoe] 29/7/2018 17:28

I like the “new” fact that tyres comprise 28% carbon black - if carbon black is where graphene can make the major difference to wear/damage & consequent life span - then a possibly likely 1% loading graphene will be just 0.28% of the total weight of a tyre - much more affordable one would think given likely benefits - maybe even for mass market car tyres - not up to doing the maths today - but hopefully all heading in right direction for any continental deal

[canalet3] 29/7/2018 17:21

who needs Lee Childs with all this to read ?

[skyliteandy] 29/7/2018 17:15

Well John where Sky are concerned you could start with a batch of testosterone patches their team doc ordered and got traced back, or the Tramadol (a strong opioid painkiller) prescribed to their riders (past riders have put this forward), the strong corticosteroid (Kenacort) that was in the jiffy bag, the lying to the commons select committee (the committee chairman's own words), the TUEs for powerful steroids that are normally given during hospital stays. The employing of known trainers and doctors (and riders) with doping pasts when Brailsford promoted Sky as the very antipathy of this approach. The amazing physiological transformations of their riders, huge fat and muscle loss but an increase in power? So when you have this along with the history of the sport (many of the last 30 years grand tour winners have been implicated in doping scandals), the Armstrong saga, the ineptitude of anti doping then in my humble opinion cycling doesn't deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt. And yes, as a cyclist I've got know people who know folk at Sky, right at the very top. Nothing can ever be totally watertight and it isn't; catching someone with the smoking gun is never going to happen; it will take someone with the need (for whatever reason) to become a whistleblower (as with Armstrong) to blow this one wide open, it nearly happened with Wiggin's and the jiffy bag but sadly that final piece of evidence couldn't be found as the team doctor "lost"! his laptop on holiday. There's been drugs in cycling since the 20s, nothing has changed but don't let it spoil the spectacle, it's still a great sport but you're watching a circus here with physiological freaks performing for you; riders that in any other form of life would be classified anorexic putting out wattage that is right at the edge of what is physiological possible with our respiratory systems - for weeks on end.

[sonsonnyjim] 29/7/2018 17:08

He's saying there isn't evidence of nanene. That isn't deramping...

[johnveals] 29/7/2018 16:54

skyliteandy - bit of deramping there don't you think? I realise that lack of evidence is not proof but do you have any evidence for your depressing insinuations?

[grabster] 29/7/2018 16:51

willoicc - if you google the prospects for graphene in dentistry (in fillings and in dentures) graphene enhanced glass is among the materials being looked at. And I recall reading several articles a year ago about graphene enhanced glass for bottles and tableware. And yes, it does also get mentioned in solar panels.

[skyliteandy] 29/7/2018 16:09

Senden if team sky started shouting about their magic ingredient the whole sport would implode. I can say with some certainty that Nanene is not used in the bikes or kit; will it? Maybe. Weight isn't the issue at all for their road bikes, in fact sky ride some of if not the heaviest bikes in the peleton (800gs more than other teams). It's stiffness that may benefit the road bike, stiffness brings a more responsive propulsion forward when the pedals are turned and wattage cranked up. However there's a payoff with comfort too, the stiffer the bike is the less comfort you get and when you're cycling for 5 hours at a time this is a consideration. Less so in time trial and track bikes where less weight and more stiffness would be of a benefit, so it's here that you'd get a likely use of Nanene added to the carbon fibre. Of course it's perfect fodder that Brailsford can use to obfuscate the newbie cycling fans and so called journalists away from the blindingly obvious. Let's marvel at the process Team Sky employ at the back of their team bus mutating 72kg 4km track cyclists (Wiggins and Thomas) into 64kg grand tour winners, climbing with the best known climbers and beating them; and run of the mill journeyman pros (Froome) who was about to be fired by Sky in 2011 having shown no form for them and been kicked off the Giro for holding a vehicle going up a mountain and then became the best rider of his generation (at 26). Nanene drips anyone?

[willoicc] 29/7/2018 15:37

I do not remember reading about graphene effect on glass. Probably just missed it.

Does anyone know can graphene/nanene give plain glass the same characteristics as laminated glass, bullet-proof glass or solar panels?

[tim3416] 29/7/2018 14:42

Https://audioboom.com/posts/6249043-neill-ricketts-ceo-of-versarien-vrs-25th-august-2017 Thanks for the reminder of what a great interview this was. Anybody thinking of investing in Versarien should listen to this. It captures the sheer excitement and potential of this company perfectly. :-)

[grabster] 29/7/2018 14:36

CT/Spike - having played the Aug 27 podcast again, and viewed the Aug 15 twitter image again - there does indeed appear to be ground for excitement - notwithstanding the 16 April 2018 rns. The timing of that rns is seen by some here as mismatched with Continental's comment about testing over the past year - but could it not be that the April reference is to a second supply (specifically identified as Nanene this time) of material that VRS previously supplied small samples of prior to the name Nanene being applied?

[senden11] 29/7/2018 14:25

johnveals - exactly! Team Sky seem to be performing very well but are hardly shouting about their magic ingredient...yet.

[sonsonnyjim] 29/7/2018 14:03

Might be worth pointing out the timing of continentals announcement along with our significant increase in capacity. Just a thought

[anotherdrink] 29/7/2018 13:28

It was only 16 April 2018 that there was the tyre RNS - 'Versarien will initially be providing 500g of Nanene for testing purposes' - Does anyone know if the testing is even completed yet?

[johnveals] 29/7/2018 13:09

Spike_1 - that is one possibility but there are others.

If I launched a product improved by adding agent x and I could demonstrably show that product was better than my competitors why would I mention agent x.

[chopsy] 29/7/2018 13:07

When the first production run is complete and ready to distribute.

[spike_1] 29/7/2018 13:06

johnveals:
At the product launch I would imagine, and kept as secret as possible until then.

[johnveals] 29/7/2018 13:02

At what point would a major manufacturer make it known that they are incorporating a specific technology that significantly improves their products compared to their competitors?