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[kilgallp] 29/7/2018 10:30

Thanks for your efforts Baz, sadly I get an error when I click on the link.

[ellissj] 29/7/2018 10:16

Oh, very timely. It's starting ! A call to move climate change up the political agenda. No mention of 2D materials naturally, but when +nanene, hextotene, graphinks, and the rest become more widely known, and importantly they are perceived to offer a solution to the problem; current indifference/inertia should shift into action/do. Human nature being what it is.

My original idea when first investing 2 years ago was 5-7 year play. We are soon to have a 3 tonne production capacity. Well done neill and co for their surpurb positioning thus far. Obviously aimho. And my belief that 2D can offer solutions to man made climate change. Dyor. Best ellis.

[scottishfield] 29/7/2018 10:14

Yes, tks magic bean, loved 4/11 - so true!

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 10:08

Mike

no date on the powerpoint that I can see and no hexagonal structure on the carbon so no Nanene, however if there was a hexagonal structure then it would give the game away somewhat.

I did think that Nanene would replace carbon black?

[spike_1] 29/7/2018 09:40

Curtain Twitcher (love the name ;0)

Re your excellent research on Continental Tires: Nevertheless, under severe conditions, microcracks can occur. These are the smallest forms of damage that can only be observed at high magnification.
In this case the special carbon black comes into play. Its special structure prevents the propagation of microcracks and thus the formation of larger cracks.

I think this just might be VERY significant! The reason graphene works (for added strength) is EXACTLY what has been described above, i.e. it is the 'interlocked' few layer graphene within the material - because it is so strong - that initially prevents and ultimately delays the creation of microcracks.

So what exactly is in the 'special carbon black' - I would put money on it being our nanene.

So, if it is graphene inside the carbon black why would they not announce that it is the wonder material graphene? My guess is for the very same reason Continental have not actually been announced (yet) as a collaborator. All to do with commercial confidentiality at this early stage.

All of the above is conjecture, as is my belief that the ISO will happen in August!

magic beans: thank you for your very insightful and intelligent commentary on big companies and how they think and react, and how it relates to VRS.

Best wishes - Spike

[luckykids] 29/7/2018 09:33

Photo shoot could have easily been for the Annual report,which I think he would have said.
As he hasn't, well we wait and wonder in anticipation.

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 09:32

I would guess that Timothy is an avid reader of this board and very surprised that he hasn't had a good old knock of Arrow Greentech and twitterized their head honcho #slippingtimothy #plentytomockthere .

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 09:28

We shouldn't really be surprised that Nanene aka graphene has such an impact on nearly everything it is added to being an allotrope of carbon

"What we normally think of as 'life' is based on chains of carbon atoms, with a few other atoms, such as nitrogen or phosphorous, Hawking observed in his lecture, Life in the Universe. We can imagine that one might have life with some other chemical basis, such as silicon, "but carbon seems the most favorable case, because it has the richest chemistry."



"Graphite (/ˈɡræfaɪt/), archaically referred to as plumbago, is a crystalline allotrope of carbon, a semimetal, a native element mineral, and a form of coal. Graphite is the most stable form of carbon under standard conditions."

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 09:11

Thanks for the snippet rogerbridge, Deka 25 million shares long on Continental but a spurious link as it will be part of a portfolio. All the same it is interesting that they are aware of little old VRS and sneaking in quietly with some share purchases.

rogerbridge28 Jul '18 - 17:32 - 23757 of 23777
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Deka and Continental seem to have a relationship?

[grabster] 29/7/2018 08:52

So in certain configurations graphene doesn't weigh much; in others it is very very light; in some configurations it is unbelievably light.

That's plenty scientific enough for me - the rest of the explanations hurt my head :-/

[johnveals] 29/7/2018 08:51

Whilst Dim Tim continues to bang his head against a brick wall has Kevin seen the light?


TBC

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 08:42

If a small company can do it, well done to Callum and team for taking the plunge

"More
6/11 - 1) We have done a huge amount of testing to get to this point, because this essentially hadn't been done before. We are setting a precedent by showing it's achievable and reliable to mix Nanene into everyday consumer products. This alone is huge for bigger businesses..."

Timothy was trying yet again and got the total opposite of what he expected I would think, I really don't know why he doesn't go for easier targets but seems to do everyone a favour by his attempts to belittle everyone and everything VRS related.

Keep up the good work Timothy the PR being created by pathetic attacks is amazing.

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 08:22

With that photoshoot, doghouse media offered to do a shoot for him a few months back courtesy of the ridiculous Timothy and friends attacks, so I do wonder if that has come to pass?



Reflective surfaces seem to create problems, looks as if it tickles lol

[superg1] 29/7/2018 08:05

shavian

The surface are of single layer graphene is 2630m2 pef gram. So a sheet would be 1315m2

45m2 per gram takes into account rge overlapping of GNPs in the process.

Some like XG use the multipliers per GNP which isn't a true refelection of how GNPs will mix into a composite. They won't lay side by side perfectly touching each other.

EG for an average of 3 layers some will just divide 2630 by 3.

Just mentioning it as it can confuse some when they see m2 on data sheets

[shavian] 29/7/2018 07:52

Trying to explain Nanene to a builder re-flooring our holiday home after a flood in March. Me: ‘if you could cover the entire floor plan of the house with a layer of Nanene instead of latex, how much do you think it would weigh?’

Him: ‘let’s see - about 120m2 - and it’s really light you say? Hmmm - couldn’t be as little as 5 kilos could it?’

Me: ‘try 3 grams’

Stunned disbelief! [Source: Nanene data sheet. Surface area: 45m2/gram]

[ellissj] 29/7/2018 07:40

The potential of 2D improvements and solutions to the effects of pollution (air quality and plastics) and climate change is a great reason for me to invest in VRS. My strategy ? When 2D tech can be proven to mitigate man made effects of climate change, the neocon position of faux climate change denial will shift into acceptance. Why ?
Because 2D materials will offer a market based solution to climate change. Their objection has always been to govt regs etc. 'A govt based solution.' So Once a united world position is agreed, imagine the exponential upsides to fortunes of 2D material producers. Keep on truckin neill and co, (hopefully soon to be graphene lightweighted, EV's, +nanene tyres, +nanene battery tech) aimo. Dyor. Best ellis.

[luckyorange] 29/7/2018 07:34

1 gramme in the container that he was holding, a kg container is not going to be huge and hopefully AAC will be making them.

New machine upscaled x10 so capacity on normal shift should be 11 kilos/day, that should be ample for a while.

[poombear] 29/7/2018 07:33

I think 38k barrels refers to single layer Graphene. Not Nanene.

[dmorty87] 29/7/2018 06:05

We are not really going to be transporting it in barrels are we surely there being used as an illustration of the volume needed. Barrels are normally something you pump something into ie oil

[1teepee] 29/7/2018 02:09

Check this out , infinite renewable energy source . Lightning harvesting Using Graphene https://www.graphenecompositesltd.com

[20pc] 29/7/2018 01:35

Its late, or early depending on which way you look at it. So I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. My calculations are as follows based on the info in the Nanene tech sheet of 185.7kg/M3 Tapped. (Tapped density refers to the bulk density of the powder after a specified compaction process, usually involving vibration of the container). If 1 M3 is 185.7kg of Nanene then 1 tonne of Nanene = 5.38 M3. One cubic metre = 6.29 US oil barrels. So 1 tonne of Nanene could be stored in 33.84 US oil barrels. I must admit it is all a bit confusing re the 38000 barrels, perhaps they made a barrel load and thought crikey we can't cart all that about and gave it a kick and it all disappeared. Anyway these guys work at the atom level I am sure they will know how they are going to supply the customers.

[eel tamer] 29/7/2018 00:32

How many of these calculations take into account the amount of air in the barrel? If stacked most efficiently it would reform into graphite. I suspect real world volumes are much higher.

[pcjoe] 28/7/2018 23:23

The Nanene tech sheet




"Bulk density 185.7kg/m3"


1000 litres = 1 M3

therefore at above given bulk density - that gives 5.39 litres per 1kg Nanene

Cant get any clearer than that?