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[hoverflyman] 25/7/2018 09:33

Matt 9h ago: Crikey @RobertShillito - I think you may have been drinking the mouthwash instead of just rinsing with it! No time for a 6 day holiday right now given the delivery pinch points.

Answer to: @neillricketts Hi Neill, assume no China deal for 6 weeks as Matt is now on holiday?

[spike_1] 25/7/2018 09:33

will, nanene is a miracle material, but I don't believe it can help the plastic biodegrade, albeit that it is itself a simple carbon, so shouldn't create additional hazzards (for instance it can be put into the human body to fight disease).

[willoicc] 25/7/2018 09:15

melf the reason why I ask is that, it seems to me, a plastic bottle bobbing about on the ocean is still a hazard to sea creatures whether it contains graphene or not.

Unless the Graphene actually helps it to degrade biologically?

[squire007] 25/7/2018 09:13

Then there is Nanoribbons, gets even more tricky ... ;-)

[haz101] 25/7/2018 09:12

lol SG thanks for the tech aspect, I came across this company last night what are your thoughts?

hxxps://nanographene.net

[squire007] 25/7/2018 09:12

Is there no stock today ??? Or no buyers/sellers .. lol

[sonsonnyjim] 25/7/2018 09:07

Super any further thoughts on timeliness to hit the market? Appreciate it's all speculation

[superg1] 25/7/2018 09:05

As you can see I need to get out more.

[superg1] 25/7/2018 09:00

Owenga

1um = 1000 nm

Details in full on the lol thread.

Too small on the lateral size and they don't have enough surface are to bond with a composite. Too big and tgey fold and crumple.

Too many layers and they have a negative impact on strength as the bond between layers is weak which creates billions of weak points in a composite. Damaged platelets also see a drop in theor performance.

So the key is as few layers as possible with desired aspect ratios and few defects = Nanene. That's why they won the tenders, they hit the spec. That spec tends to work.

Most can't get under 10 layers but for some that can in doing so they destroy lateral sizes and have too many defects.

Hence I go on about synthetic GNPs as being poor due to lateral sizes. They typically average about 300-500 nm.

If you recall I mentioned that it seems no one won the CPI synthetic gnp tender. I put that down to the spec which no one I know could hit on the lateral size required.

AGM commissioned the CPI to build their kit yet AGM clearly couldn't meet the spec.

In the AGM patent it explains a CVD method on nano sized substrates the largest of which I recall was 1 um.

As I say if folk research the facts it makes spotting BS and lies very easy.

[sonsonnyjim] 25/7/2018 08:54

Ade me too! But that's not that long really for something like this, the last year for instance we have built the team immeasurably but not done many deals,

It seems we are still laying (fantastic) foundations with a few companies testing out products but actual products probably a bit off? Happy to be corrected

[potsol] 25/7/2018 08:53

Agreed adejuk. In recent communications Neill has repeatedly mentioned speed in bringing applications to market.

[adejuk] 25/7/2018 08:51

sonny
i hope it isn't that far off

[spike_1] 25/7/2018 08:49

OK sg - I'll take the bate ;0) : Neill's latest tweet (late last night): 'USA first :)'

[sonsonnyjim] 25/7/2018 08:48

Super you're as bad as Neil with your teasing......wait a minute....

[superg1] 25/7/2018 08:42

I already have my reply sorted for the next potential debate here.

Posted to point out this post if it comes up. :-)

[sonsonnyjim] 25/7/2018 08:40

We all would ade. With various certifications should get some in the next 12-24 months i hope!

[superg1] 25/7/2018 08:39

You see how easy it is to get sucked in by companies that lie.

Hence if you ever see high lateral sizes it has on every occasion I have checked meant 10's and 100's of layers thick.

That's why I ignored the posts about Nanoxplore it was obvious BS to me. Mentioned now as they have been posted about repeatedly.

[adejuk] 25/7/2018 08:37

i'd like to see some deals now with real figures attached

[melf] 25/7/2018 08:36

Willoicc, I think the point is if there is graphene in it you cut down the amount of plastic required to make the bottle significantly because the graphene strengthens the plastic. So the answer to your question is yes. Happy to be corrected by those more technically minded than me.

[shavian] 25/7/2018 08:36

Thanks for the input on NanoXplore guys. Back to my original assessment of them as an offshoot of a Canadian graphite miner whose drill has just struck an unusually rich seam of brown stuff that smells strongly of male cattle.

Looking forward to the ISO standards which will expose these charlatans for what they are. It’s tragic that they manage to raise so much money from the markets.

[superg1] 25/7/2018 08:34

As I said it falls apart.

EG just found a reference by them of few layer capability. They call it few layer 4-6 but say it's 8-12 layers.

The 4-6 is actually nm which equates to 12-18 layers. By then they are down to 3 um on the lateral.

So the multi- tonne stuff to replace carbon black is 60 layer plus which is graphite. Many companies do multi tonne graphite of that type.

In short there is nothing they do that looks like graphene.

Another company talking BS. Few layer to them is 12-18

Now you know why I switched off on some badic details like 38um laterals.

Been there done that many times on many companies the answer is always the same, deceit and BS.


They twist facts to suit, changing graphene to 2 layers per nm to 3 suited their BS claims for 8-12 v the actual of 12-18 it a complete lie.

Rounded up graphene is .34 nm thick = 3 per nm not 2.

[willoicc] 25/7/2018 08:32

Is a plastic bottle made with graphene less harmful to the environment than a non graphene bottle.

[lovat scout] 25/7/2018 08:28

20pc - so the key is how much nanene needs to be added to double the strength. That I assume is a commercial secret unless anyone here knows differently?