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[woodpeckers] 16/7/2018 21:46

A very interesting but old (2013) read, lots appropriate to VRS.

Interesting that as far back as 2013 they were talking about it being viable:
" graphene could not have emerged as a viable proposition without the pioneering research work that NPL performed to be able to measure its properties."

[ellissj] 16/7/2018 21:44

This link from 2015 shows where todays announcement originated from. Best ellis

[ellissj] 16/7/2018 21:13

Presentation at the house of commons suggests it's maybe to do with launch of govt white paper on 2D standards, commercialisation etc. Ie consultation before coming into law. On the below link, there is a section for this white paper download, but it appears to be for companies only, unless anyone knows better. Imo. Best ellis

[ashehzi] 16/7/2018 20:48

Product certification
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Through the collaboration between the National Graphene Institute and the National Physical Laboratory, we provide independent certification of new products, ensuring that product claims are supported by appropriate measurement and characterisation data, and that the claims made by vendors are reasonable and accurate. Certified products are listed on our independent database, which is regularly updated.
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I wonder which different vendor products are on that independent database???

[woodpeckers] 16/7/2018 20:39

"A crucial step in the commercialisation of #graphene & 2D materials"

The important thing here is that we've got through the "iffs and buts" stage that has held graphene commercialisation back .... this is confirmation that this is happening and it's going to happen fast.. as Neill says, it's a race, but every piece of news out strengthens the case that we are the frontrunner... and what a team we're developing.

[superg1] 16/7/2018 20:38

Scientists!!!! they forgot the important bit.

[superg1] 16/7/2018 20:36

Great isn't it. Launch at the house of commons yet nowhere to look to see the site or database.

Surely they would have put a link in somewhere, it is a business looking for business.

[luckyorange] 16/7/2018 20:26

That's about it ellis.

[ellissj] 16/7/2018 20:26

More info here. Best ellis

[ellissj] 16/7/2018 20:09

What's the upshot here ? Is it UK sales of graphene to be certified by UOM prior to sale, using ISO standards. In effect inplementing the standards unilaterally until they are rolled out internationally ? More or less what vrs do anyhow ? Aimo. Best ellis

[superg1] 16/7/2018 20:07

Just for the record (been busy sounding off elsewhere)

Paragraf do CVD graphene which is not the market VRS are interested in at this time and the two do not compete.

It is highly difficult to get perfect defect free large area CVD graphene suitable for the intended electronics market.

Think of it like clingfilm pieces one range is given as 10 mm x 10mm. Nanene average Gnps are 50 million times smaller than that.

It's a different market.

[andymoore07] 16/7/2018 19:28

Just reading the Sunday times magazine interview with Crawford Falconer and Liam Fox, this quote really stood out"We have Intellectual Property rights to die for"I wonder who they are talking about

[luckyorange] 16/7/2018 19:26

Just looking back to see when it started, may be useful for 'new' PI's.

cottoner - 14 Nov 2017 - 07:48:33 - 9865 of 23121 Versarien Developing advanced materials and enabling engineering exploitation - VRS
Following on from NR's latest tweet:

NPL & NGI compose a good practice guide for graphene metrology
Nov 13, 2017

The National Graphene Institute at the University of Manchester has joined forces with the NPL to develop a guide, as part of NPL's good practice guide series, that conveys "a detailed description of how to determine the key structural properties of graphene, so that the graphene community can adopt a common metrological approach that allows the comparison of commercially available graphene materials. This guide brings together the accepted metrology in this area".

The guide, titled “Characterization of the Structure of Graphene�, follows last month's release of the NPL's work on the first ISO (International Organization for Standardization) graphene standard. It describes the high-accuracy and precision required for verification of material properties and enables the development of other faster quality control techniques in the future. The guide is intended to form a bedrock for future interlaboratory comparisons and international standards.

Using this guide, users with previous characterization expertise within industry can more reliably, quantitatively and comparably measure the structural properties of commercially supplied graphene. The guide can be used to measure the properties of both CVD-grown graphene and samples containing graphene flakes, determining the substrate coverage, percentage of single layer graphene, level of disorder and layer alignment for the former, as well as the lateral flake size range and corresponding thickness along with the level of disorder for the latter.

It is hoped that graphene's commercial adoption will be enhanced by answering the two vital questions concentrating on the characteristics of commercially-supplied graphene and the best ways to make use of them. The launch of common industrial metrics, regarding for instance the number of layers or flake size, is important for the uptake of graphene-based technologies.

[club sandwich] 16/7/2018 19:12

Might not be verification, but it's one very big step closer to it!

[sandbag] 16/7/2018 19:06

sandbag - 15 Jul 2018 - 14:22:40 - 20903 of 21130 VRS The world lead in real Graphene (Nanene) - VRS
I think it has been mentioned on here that any products from VRS are certified prior to sale. Any knowledgeable buyer therefore would know exactly what they are buying, with or without an ISO spelling it out. China and Manchester have very close technical ties. I don't believe that the Chinese would wait for the ISO but other collaborations with entities without the technical knowledge would.

Today's news strengthens my view. Until an ISO is published this is the best accreditation route possible.

[superg1] 16/7/2018 18:58

The original site was this. I know I used to trawl through the pages.



Then it changed and all you could get to was the password page. I suspect they spotted and intruder having left the door open.

Now it won't take you to anything.

Domain name owner details have been removed but the city is shown as Manchester and a name of Simon Howell who was the IP manager at Manchester Uni.

Perhaps a new site under another name is set to appear.

[sonsonnyjim] 16/7/2018 18:55

Spike

Neil has responded. Not certification and you'll have to wait on that

[sonsonnyjim] 16/7/2018 18:55

Spike

Neil has responded. Not certification and you'll have to wait on that

[superg1] 16/7/2018 18:43

Spike


No it won't mean instant certification but a watch this space scenario.

If you recall I found the NPL/NGI certification website many moons ago and was happy to have my view into certificates that would appear but then it went sign in only. I don't believe it was all supposed to be viewable at the time.

I'll try to track it down again

[curtain twitcher] 16/7/2018 18:25

Low-cost, lightweight rail vehicles for low-density routes

16th July 2018

You want to reopen a disused rail line. You’ve got permission to do so, you have organised to close, re-route or otherwise deal with rights of way over the infrastructure and you have found a way to deal with the housing development that’s been built on the route and sorted out the design and construction or refurbishment of track and signalling systems.

The challenges are similar if you want to improve mobility in a town or city. Once you’ve sorted the infrastructure, you need to choose trains to run on the railway. Currently, choices are limited to up-cycled ex-Underground trains, Pacers or other old diesel trains. However, you want the railway to have green credentials and you do not see why a rail vehicle should be three times the weight of a bus and cost at least five times as much and, at best, look like “something of its time”!

There might be something different on the horizon.

Radical solution

Rolling back a few years, the 2012 Railway Technical Strategy led to a competition called “Radical Train”, which was aimed at producing technology demonstrators – real things that people could see, feel and touch which would be inspirational and show the way ahead for the industry. Your author, before “retirement”, was part of a panel of judges assessing aspects of the short-listed entries.

One of these was from a consortium of companies that was proposing a very light self-powered train. They won a modest award from the RSSB Future Railway Enabling Innovation Team, funded by the DfT, in November 2013, which led to further funding to develop a self-powered bogie with an integral, hybrid propulsion system and kinetic energy recovery system.

In May 2018, Eversholt Rail, one of the UK’s rolling stock owners, announced that it had joined the Revolution VLR consortium and programme, the industry consortium that will develop, manufacture and market the Revolution VLR (very light rail) vehicle. The consortium, led by Transport Design International Ltd (TDI), includes WMG (formerly the Warwick Manufacturing Group) at the University of Warwick, Cummins, Unipart Rail and other companies from the automotive and rail sectors.

The Revolution VLR vehicle is intended to deliver lightweight, energy-efficient system solutions for affordable service growth and extension of the UK’s rail network. A bi-directional, 18-metre-long railcar, with seating for 56 passengers and standing room for a further 60, Revolution VLR will use lightweight materials and a modular structure to achieve a tare weight of less than one tonne per linear metre. This allows it to run on lightweight modular slab track. The vehicle will be self-propelled, achieve zero-emission launches from stations and be fitted with regenerative braking and optimised hybrid propulsion.

The consortium and programme explained that they will benefit from Eversholt Rail’s market knowledge and extensive experience in rolling stock asset and project management, including the successful service introduction of many fleets of new trains. Mary Kenny, Eversholt Rail CEO, said: “Eversholt Rail has a strong record of innovation in the UK rolling stock industry through introducing new products, technologies and manufacturers to the market. Our investment in the Revolution VLR programme will extend this into the light rail sector and provide further opportunities for growth within the industry.”

New scheme

In June 2018, a further step forward was taken with the announcement that Transport Design International, based in Stratford-upon-Avon, has won a contract to work with WMG to design and construct an innovative very light rail vehicle which will be part of a new transport solution for Coventry. They will create a state-of-the-art, lightweight, battery-operated, rail-guided vehicle which will ultimately be capable of operating without a driver.

The project, funded by the Government’s Local Growth Fund through the Coventry and Warwickshire Local Enterprise Partnership (CWLEP) and the West Midlands Combined Authority Devolution Deal, is being managed by researchers from WMG at the University of Warwick in collaboration between Coventry City Council and Transport for West Midlands.

The West Midlands Combined Authority (WMCA) Devolution Deal funding has provided £12.2 million to undertake the research and development required to prove the VLR concept. In addition, the WMCA has allocated specialist resource from Transport for West Midlands to provide technical support, advice and guidance to the project team as the scheme develops.

The prototype vehicle will be capable of carrying 20 seated passengers and a maximum of 70, including standees. It will be tested at the Very Light Rail National Innovation Centre in Dudley before a permanent tracked route is installed across Coventry and a fleet of vehicles manufactured.

Politicians from Coventry City Council and members of the Coventry and Warwickshire Local Enterprise Partnership welcomed the initiative. The participants in the consortium were delighted by the politicians’ confidence in them, summed up by Martin Pemberton, managing director of Transport Design International, who said: “As champions of sustainable, lightweight transport solutions, the TDI team is very proud to have been selected to undertake this exciting, flagship project for Coventry. We look forward to working closely with the City Council and WMG to bring their aspirations to reality.”

Rail Engineer hopes to produce an in-depth article on the engineering and technology to be used on VLR in due course.

[superg1] 16/7/2018 18:09

sonsonny

It's about understanding graphene.

CVD is a method of chemical vapour deposition onto a substrate EG a copper sheet.

Para low end size is 10mm x 10mm and isn't for the markets VRS cover.

So para on that low end size having repeated the process 132 million times now have 1 kg of graphene.

You can find some on sigma at that size for £130 per item and higher.

I'm sure they would offer discount on the £17 billion needed to buy 1kg.

[spike_1] 16/7/2018 18:05

I've just tweeted Neill to ask if this is directly ISO related, and does it mean VRS can now get certified.

[spike_1] 16/7/2018 18:00

Actual link at last please excuse my earlier stupidity:


This is where Neill is / was in the Commons today from 4pm.

[cdub1] 16/7/2018 17:59

Kempster has a unalterable narrative and picks up and obsesses about irrelevant things using them as confirmation bias ammunition to support his view whilst not looking at the big picture and/or accepting he might be wrong. He also posts at a level far higher than a normal person could post, suggesting to me he had obsessive compulsive disorder, either that or he is a professional shorter or he may just be a genius who hasn’t seen what any of us have seen. Time will tell.

[spike_1] 16/7/2018 17:56

HERE it is!!
EDIT:
Google: 'University of Manchester Graphene'