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[grahamite2] 04/12/2018 09:24

Didn't the legal advice leak, and someone here post a link to it yesterday?

If not, I wonder where I got it from.

[xxxxxy] 04/12/2018 09:18

Let’s take control of our economy
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 4, 2018
Leaving without an Agreement looks more likely given the bad response of most MPs to the proposed Withdrawal Agreement and delayed exit. So let’s make the most of the money, the freedoms and the opportunities leaving brings. More than half the voters expect things to get better when we leave, and so they can. That requires the government to cheer up and take some action.

1. Relax the current tight money policies a bit – they are slowing our economy too much
2. Set out a new budget with an additional £15bn of spending increases and tax cuts for 2019=20 at least, financed by saving the Withdrawal payments
3. Encourage import substitution with a farming policy based on more home grown food
4. Allow UK vessels to land a much larger share of our fish by taking control of our fishery in 2019
5. Encourage more fish processing industry
6. Novate all existing EU trade deals promptly
7. Intensify negotiations with the USA, Singapore, New Zealand, Australia and the others who are keen to sign Free Trade Deals with us once we have the power to do so
8. Make clear there will be no new checks at our ports on imports from the EU in the short term, and any longer term extra checks will be done away from the border or with sufficient capacity at the port to avoid delays
9. Set a new tariff schedule which lowers our external tariff, removing all tariffs from imported components for manufacturers and from items here the tariff raises little net revenue

It’s high time the media allowed a proper debate on how to take advantage of the opportunities of leaving after months of just recycling false scare stories about the costs.

[stonedyou] 04/12/2018 09:08

careful - What I understand of the "HATED EU" is £4,0000 expense accounts

with a £35,000,000 all in with the lotta them MEPs.....

And they VOTEd against being accountable for that monies.....Plus!!!



10.The Mandelson Pension Clause: The UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here such as Peter Mandelson or Neil Kinnock on their E.U. pensions, or tax any current Brussels bureaucrats on their salaries. The EU and its employees are to be immune to our tax laws. (Article 104)

11.Furthermore, the UK agrees not to prosecute EU employees who are, or who might be deemed in future, criminals (Art.101)



Justify them "HATED EU" laws.....Can anybody in their RIGHT mind!

[maxk] 04/12/2018 09:06

He was asked by Joanna Cherry of the SNP if there was anything to prevent the Northern Ireland backstop, under which the UK would remain in a customs union with the EU after Brexit, becoming permanent.


Cox replied: “As a matter of international law, no,” but added that if the backstop did become permanent, it would be “highly vulnerable to legal challenge” within EU law.



full text:

[pal44] 04/12/2018 09:03

Yes let's revoke article 50 and stop this Brexit non sense

[diku] 04/12/2018 08:59

Below from the media...all these debates debates and more debates is leading to indecisions and waste of time...publish the full legal advice and get on with it...


Commons Speaker John Bercow has told MPs that he believes there is an 'arguable case that a contempt has been committed' by the Government over Brexit legal advice.

Mr Bercow gave the ruling after representations from Labour, the DUP and four other opposition parties that ministers were in contempt of Parliament for failing to publish the full Brexit legal advice on Monday.

[gotnorolex] 04/12/2018 08:44

ECJ Don't leave if you change your mind without hindrance stay on on current terms!
(Ah! permission to stay without penalties and revoke article 50 without a fine) Thank you very much!

[poikka] 04/12/2018 08:43

Alphorn, deep down you are a nice guy with a sense of humour, and aren't we all. Bet we could all have a pint together and a larf, but keep off Brexit. Actually, not so sure about Minnie, lol.

[poikka] 04/12/2018 08:39

Careful - I actually read something in your post that I agreed with. (That's not to say that I feel that I have superior knowledge, but just states a fact.)

Annual UK spend £800bn (Central gov = £624bn. In the order of things, therefore, £18bn (projected EU bill if we stayed) is a mere 2.9%. But another way of looking at things is that since joining the EU we've contributed some £200bn, and been subject to the adverse effects of their bureaucracy. And why the hell should we be giving this money to Brussels for them to CONTINUE wasting on our behalf, and over which we have minimal say. £18bn/an is a lot of money!

But, of course, that's just a part of the overall picture: we want to leave, but we are being punished to a degree that constitutes economic warfare (and they speak of International Law!!).

Bored, right now. C ya.

[polar fox] 04/12/2018 07:35

Interesting tweet from last night:

Follow @tnewtondunn

“I told her it was nothing personal and I respected her. Theresa just said, ‘Everybody says that to me, ‘you’ve done your best - but’’. She looked defeated to be honest.” Anti-Brexit deal Tory MP who saw the PM today.
unquote

What a sorry state of affairs for the country.

[excell1] 03/12/2018 23:14

Mays deal was an attempt to hoodwink the British people. The truth is starting to come out now.Some would say about time too.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 23:08

Made me smile. ;)

[diku] 03/12/2018 23:07

One could sing a Mogg song in post 238405...

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 22:55

Stoned - that is my style. It focuses on the main issue. It was also my style in business; don't wrap up stuff in verbiage.

I am surprised by all the cut & pastes with added vitriol and the almost total absence of any trading ideas. There are huge opportunities the past month and this month. Are most posters passive holders; no matter what happens?

[stonedyou] 03/12/2018 22:53

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‘LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!’ Rees-Mogg says 'establishment DOESN'T know best' - new

BREXIT POLL

EXCLUSIVE: Nearly two-thirds of voters want Britain to aim to be the most low-tax,

business-friendly country in Europe after Brexit, an exclusive opinion poll for

the Daily Express has revealed.




Sixty-five per cent of people quizzed in the survey backed a vision of a dynamic

economy "focused on building strong international trade links" following next

year's departure from the EU. And nearly half of voters (45%) would be prepared to

sacrifice some economic growth "in order to complete Brexit properly", the poll

found. Polling firm ComRes interviewed just over 2,000 UK adults online over the

weekend in the survey on current attitudes to Brexit commissioned by the Daily

Express.



Only just over a quarter (26%) of people quizzed in the survey supported Mrs May's deal

while 42% opposed it.

[stonedyou] 03/12/2018 22:47

Alporno you only deal one liners......

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 22:40

Nos da. Cymru am byth

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 22:40

Europe's power is easy to miss. Like an 'invisible hand', it operates through the shell of traditional political structures. The British House of Commons, British law courts, and British civil servants are still here, but they have all become agents of the European Union implementing European law. This is no accident. By creating common standards that are implemented through national institutions, Europe can take over countries without necessarily becoming a target for hostility.


That passage becomes highly relevant here, for two reasons. Firstly, as Leonard points out, the EU "operates through the shell of traditional political structures" and, secondly, it can "take over countries".
Mark Leonard, Centre for European Reform, 

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 22:38

The Political Declaration does not save us from the trap of the Withdrawal Agreement
25 November 2018 by Martin Howe


The key point to grasp is that this declaration is not legally binding, whereas the Withdrawal Agreement (WA) will be. 

And it is worse than that. The alternative to reaching an agreement with the EU will not be to walk away with no deal. If we do not reach an agreement with the EU, the hugely damaging so called “backstop” – the Northern Ireland Protocol – will automatically kick in. I have explained the problems with this Protocol in my previous post: The Northern Ireland Protocol is neither a “backstop” nor temporary

Warm words and phrases which mean little
The PD has a number of warm words and phrases which have been inserted into it in a fairly transparent attempt by the EU to help Theresa May with her political difficulties in selling the deal. When examined carefully, these mean little or nothing, or are contradicted elsewhere in the text.
By signing the legally binding WA in advance of entering negotiations on the future relationship, she will have thrown away in advance the UK’s two most powerful cards, which are (1) making huge payments into EU budget which we do not owe under international law, and (2) giving access for EU goods exports into the UK market. Worse still, she will have forced whoever becomes her successor to negotiate under the guillotine of the ‘backstop’ Protocol which will come into force at the behest of the EU or of any one of a the 27 EU Member States which has a demand to make of the UK.
Full text:

Do NOTE 'Warm words and phrases which mean little' Aspirational words, pretty words, equivocal words mean nothing in LEGAL terms. And in the end LEGAL STUFF matters all.

In many ways it makes the UK a colony of the EU

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 22:38

Simple things please simple minds.

[careful] 03/12/2018 22:34

Desperate Davies, his career is in its dying moments.
he had his chance and blew it.

The EU. court (which we had a member until recently),
will always rule on trading matters with the EU.
It is simple.

After Brexit, our courts will rule on trading disputes with the UK.
..people who trade with us will do it on our rules,
they will be rule takers.
It is simple, do not them confuse you.

In Northern Ireland, the EU. will decide the border checks of goods and cattle into the EU..
That is simple.

[alphorn] 03/12/2018 22:33

Stoned - you are a bit slow - refer #393. Keep up.