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[grahamite2] 03/12/2018 09:41

Gove has shot his bolt in my view. OK, no-one expects a politician to be a boy scout, but Gove has shown himself to be utterly, totally, completely dishonest. He's gone too far.

[m4rtinu] 03/12/2018 09:17

Diku - Gove is a snake in the grass, so yes I agree with you that he wants to be PM and this tactic seems to him to be the most expeditious. BUT May seems to be on very dodgy ground with the so-called legal advice, so if keeping that secret backfires on her, he may be stuffed by association.

[maxk] 03/12/2018 09:06

"Attorney General Geoffrey Cox will address the House of Commons and take questions from MPs in an eleventh hour attempt to put a stop to opposition parties trying to initiate legal proceedings against the Government for contempt of Parliament. The Prime Minister is facing accusations she supressed a document which clearly stated her backstop arrangement could see the UK could tied to the EU "indefinitely". Mr Cox has previously suggested it would be "impossible" for the UK to get out of the backstop under her Brexit plan to be voted on by MPs next week."

[stonedyou] 03/12/2018 08:50

Go go go Boris go, go go go Boris go, go go go Boris go...Stick it them!!!








We need to hold our nerve over Brexit - we can do so much better than this deal

By

Boris Johnson

[xxxxxy] 03/12/2018 08:17

Publish the legal advice

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 3, 2018

It is normally right for the government to withhold its legal advice from freedom of information requests or Parliamentary questions. Where the government is pursuing a court action to collect more tax or prosecute some criminal or to justify its actions, it should keep its own legal advice to itself to give it the best chance of a successful court outcome. The case of the legal advice on what the consequences of an International Treaty will be before we have signed it is altogether different. Parliament is to decide whether to sign this Treaty or not. Parliament therefore needs to know the legal implications of what we are being asked to sign.

Not that many of us need the Attorney’s advice to grasp just how dangerous legally this Treaty is. It is a Treaty with many long term commitments that we cannot get out of. It is a Treaty which undermines the whole idea of Brexit, by bringing back considerable powers for the EU and for its European Court of Justice. It is a Treaty which prolongs the uncertainty over our possible exit from the EU, damaging business. It is a Treaty which removes most of the bargaining powers the UK currently enjoys when we embark under its provisions to try to negotiate a Future Partnership Agreement. This is not a deal, but a straightjacket. This is not Brexit, but a new servitude.

I am against the whole idea of a Withdrawal Treaty. I voted to come out of the extensive Treaty commitments we currently have under the EU Treaties. I did not vote to enter a new binding Treaty with the EU I cannot get out of. Nor did I vote to end up in an Association Agreement with the EU, which is what they have in mind for the so called Future Partnership. Two Treaties to replace one, and probably at a similar expensive financial price, is not what we Leave voters voted for. We did at least like Article 50, the leave clause, in the current EU Treaties. The two new proposed Treaties have no get out clause!

The Attorney General had a successful career at the criminal law bar and doubtless wrote a detailed and careful opinion. He is also a politician and Minister who will be asked to explain parts of his advice to the Commons under the control of the government’s overall message on this Agreement. Parliament wants to see the full advice as some MPs think the most critical sentences about the Agreement are likely to be played down or ignored in any edited highlights for the Commons. It will certainly be a testing session for the Attorney to deliver enough of the shocking truth about this Agreement whilst defending the government that wishes to sign it.

Whatever happens on the publication of some or all of the advice, of one thing readers should be clear. There are quite enough of us MPs in the Commons who have read the draft Agreement and have serious doubts about the wide ranging powers it gives to the EU over us to ensure Parliament with or without the full advice will hold a debate knowing the main legal pitfalls of this unwise Agreement. You do not have to be a lawyer to understand the prose of this Agreement. In so many clauses of this document it places more burdens and restrictions on the UK long after we are meant to have left the EU.

[bbalanjones] 03/12/2018 08:11

Brexiteer = Lamb to the Slaughter.

or if you prefer . . . the pig in the blanket.

[cheshire pete] 02/12/2018 23:55

If true, May's position starting to look very weak. How many letters in?

[maxk] 02/12/2018 23:29

Voice of Reason‏ @brexitblog_info · 1h1 hour ago


Astonishing. Even Olly Robbins thinks it’s a rubbish deal. May doesn’t even listen to him!






By Steven Swinford, Deputy Political Editor
2 December 2018 • 9:30pm


Theresa May's chief Brexit adviser secretly warned her that the customs backstop is a "bad outcome" for the UK which will see regulatory checks in the Irish Sea and put security co-operation at risk, The Telegraph can reveal.

Oliver Robbins warned in a letter to the Prime Minister that there is no legal "guarantee" that Britain will be able to break off from the backstop, potentially leaving the UK trapped in a Customs Union with the EU.

[maxk] 02/12/2018 22:52

Tory = Quisling

[xxxxxy] 02/12/2018 22:17

Labour = Quisling

[jpjohn1] 02/12/2018 21:57

Not made many comments lately Cheshire, but similar views to you :)

[cheshire pete] 02/12/2018 20:37

Project Fear No Deal Brexit Survival Pack.
For use only after you have survived 'jumping off the cliff', .....welcome to copy/paste and add:

Compass with no pointer.. you won't need one on the road to nowhere
Crash hat from your local WW2 Army and Navy surplus store
Any of Bear Gryll's books
Ancient Herbal Remedies
Communicating by smoke signals a beginners guide
Poison pill in case Corbyn gets in

Any others?

[diku] 02/12/2018 19:57

Below from the media...so what happens if the entire labour MPs vote against the deal?...would that fullfill Labour agenda!!...




Sir Keir Starmer has said Labour will seek to call a motion of no confidence in the Government if Theresa May loses a Commons vote on her Brexit deal.

The shadow Brexit secretary told Sky News' Sophy Ridge on Sunday: "It seems to me that if the Prime Minister has lost a vote of that sort of significance then there has to be a question of confidence in the Government...

"I think it's inevitable that we will seek to move that - obviously it will depend on what actually happens in nine days, it will depend on what the response is - but if she's lost a vote of this significance after two years of negotiation, then it is right that there should be a general election.

[stonedyou] 02/12/2018 18:18

Theresa May - Hell has no fury has Brexiteers being scorned!!!!



Leaked legal advice from the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox has warned Britain could be trapped 'indefinitely' in the EU's customs union


BRITAIN would be locked “indefinitely” into the EU’s customs union if Theresa May’s Brexit deal proposal was passed, leaked documents of the attorney-general’s legal advice claim.

The details have been suppressed with senior ministers saying the Prime Minister has refused to publish the advice because it highlights that the UK could end up being trapped in a “backstop” arrangement with Brussels.




The Sunday Times claims it has seen the letter Geoffrey Cox wrote to cabinet ministers last month.

It says: “The protocol would endure indefinitely.”



The country’s top legal officer added that the only way the UK could get out of the backstop would be to sign a new trade agreement, which could take years.

But he said Britain would only stay trapped if those talks collapsed.

[diku] 02/12/2018 17:38

Below from the above...only a draft so not much in it?......no wonder the so called deal was done so quickly...



The former minister added the deal approved on Sunday is just a draft, since Brussels and London have left “so much to negotiate”, including a trade deal and a way to avoid a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

He continued: “With so much left to negotiate, we must take a clear-eyed view on the strength of our position.

[cheshire pete] 02/12/2018 17:35

Poikka #8287: Enjoy reading your posts, we sing from the same sheet I think. Trying to get my head round the way you see things panning out. In the event of the Govt losing the MV, yes Starmer and co could call for a no confidence vote but at that point the letters to Brady would likely have tipped past the 48 threshold and a party leadership contest triggered. Assuming it still goes ahead, the Govt could lose the confidence vote especially if the DUP withdraws support but tough it out until there's a new leader such as, hopefully, Boris or JRM who would get support from the DUP and get us out of the EU end March. Also think that many Tory MPs have held back their letters until the MV but this could well change if it transpires that the she hasn't told the full story re: the detailed legal advice to her cabinet, and it emerges that we could end up being unable to leave the customs union because the EU could, and no doubt would, prevent it from happening. Crucially though the default position is that we leave with no deal.