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[alphorn] 09/12/2020 21:14

#501. Presumably not addressed to me. Single market may be preferable to a customs union.

I see tonight that Boris was served up his scallops on a plate. ;)

[maxk] 09/12/2020 21:12

And whatever Angela wants, Angela gets. Von Legover will be the message bearer.

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 21:11

I once again mean no offence, but what is the benefit of posting articles rather than making factual arguments?Unless you can tell me one actual tangible way your life will be better out of the EU?? If it's immigration you were worried about (and frankly, despite what some might say, I think people should be free to have issues with immigration if they want), then bear in mind that the numbers haven't gone down (despite the fact that culturally similar Europeans have gone down) and that the government could have limited numbers while in the EU...Anyway, let's hope for all our sakes the fudge is as good as it can be.Once the misunderstood religion of brexit is forgotten then we can enter into closer trading arrangement ms with the EU and probably ultimately end up like Norway, so in effect in some sort of customs union and no one will mind as it doesn't negatively affect them in anyway.And yes, that means we would be rule takers rather than one of the big rule makers in the club.

[alphorn] 09/12/2020 21:09

In the Bundestag, the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said her government was willing to let the negotiation collapse if Downing Street continued to reject the EU’s approach.

.....not some willow tree waving in the hot air.

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 21:08

EUSSR.Go fish.No DealWTOLibertyNos da. Cymru am byth.

[maxk] 09/12/2020 21:03

Continuing talks extended until 2050 to clinch a deal....urgent!


In the meantime, still stuck to the wheel.

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 21:02

Fred in the med 9 Dec 2020 3:51PMCan anyone tell me why Boris keeps referring to the E.U. as our friends.We all know they are a foreign power who seek dominance over us, and with friends like them we don't need enemies.Just look at the alleged comments from them belowBarnier said in a speech in Italy just after he was nominated chief negotiator for the E.Uthat if Britain is worse off out of the union, than they were in it then he will have done his job.That nice Mr Tusk wished all brexiteers a place in hell, and Guy (you know the Belgian bufoon) said that with Brexit the Brits have shot themselves in the foot, we aim to shoot them in the other one.Nice people eh... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 20:59

Peter Wookey 9 Dec 2020 8:56PMA no deal would be an easy sell in the UK.The British people voted to leave with EU and regain control. So if that is not possible with a deal, then clearly we have to leave without a deal otherwise we would not live in a democracy.A no deal would however be a really hard sell in the EU.It would be impossible to sell to EU fishermen.It would be impossible to sell to German car workers or Italian wine growers or Spanish orange farmers.The UK has a democratic mandate for no deal, the EU does not. The EU elite would be seen sacrificing the interests of the people for the interests of the political project that few in Europe actually want or support.There is no way the EU can afford a no deal. The EU needs a deal far far more than the UK, and the final deal will reflect that reality. ... Daily Telegraph

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 20:58

It will be fudged one way or the other, but please let's not forget, despite all the BS, we need a deal more than they do. Alas, that was one of the great lies that took hold. Even showing people the actual numbers didn't make them see reality. That's why we are not having our cake and eating it.It's such an unnecessary act of national self harm.And it has torn the population apart at the same time.Patriots? Anything but!

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 20:41

Don't forget even mr brexit Farage said Norway and Switzerland... that outcome is a distant dream now.The only good thing about a no deal would be people would realise how bad that would actually be. With a (bad) deal (as any deal would currently be, but even that's better than no deal), there wouldn't be the same shock, so like frogs being boiled, the pain is gradual and therefore imperceptible...

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 20:37

Not this one... leavers said we should stay in, remainders said be careful because that means leaving single mkt and customs union.... so the logic is I believed the remainders but voted to leave.?????

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 20:26

We voted to leave the single market and customs union of the EUBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: OCTOBER 18, 2020EU representatives still seem to think the UK wants special access to the single market and is desperate to stay in their trading arrangements. They may be fuelled in this mistaken belief by sections of the UK establishment who seem to think the single market is a good construct that we would be wrong to leave.One of the few things Leave and Remain agreed about in the referendum was leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and customs union. The winners thought this a good thing and the losers thought it was some kind of threat hanging over us. I became a strong critic of the single market when I was the UK's Single market Minister. I was given the task of supervising the UK's response to and involvement in the so called "completion of the single market" in the run up to 1992 when they declared it finished.The endless Council meetings and negotiations were to complete 282 pieces of law making to regulate all sorts of things people trade. Many of these added little or nothing to trade, and many entrenched in law the preferred ways of making and doing things of large continental companies. They stated "1992 will be a pivotal year in the development of the European Community. It marks the final year of the enterprise to complete the single market" and the year when they went on to economic and monetary union.I lost the main argument within the UK government before when I was the PM's adviser. I pointed out you do not need a whole lot of common laws to have a free market. The EU already had established the key proposition, that any good of merchandisable quality in one country could be offered freely for sale in another. This was sufficient in itself. It meant companies could get the benefits of scale and trade their goods freely across the whole EU without tariffs and non tariff barriers. Consumers could decide for themselves if they liked the product and the supporting standards of the sponsor country when making a purchase.The EU was determined to use the excuse of a single market to greatly expand its legislative control over member states. They demanded the end of the veto over all single market legislation to expedite putting through regulations that were against the interests or traditions of individual countries. I advised the government to only surrender the veto for the 282 specified pieces of legislation, and for it to revert thereafter. The government was not even prepared to protect us to that extent, and the UK swallowed the idea of majority voting for huge swathes of legislation. By the time I became Single market Minister I had to construct blocking minorities of countries every time the Commission came up with another damaging or needless proposal.As I feared the EU had no intention of limiting itself to 282 laws for its single market, but went on year after year long after the so called completion of the single market pushing out many new laws to exert control over many new areas all in the name of the single market. The single market was much better at ensuring tariff and barrier free access to the UK for continental manufacturers and farmers than it was at securing access for UK service providers to the continent.

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 20:18

WTO. Funny how no countries strive to just trade under WTO rules...

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 20:17

8:07pmCheddar could become Brexit favourite as no-deal could increase price of brieBrexit will see a boost for Cheddar over Brie, the Tesco boss has said as the French cheese price could rise by 40 per cent in a no-deal.John Allan, the supermarket's chairman, told the BBC that the higher taxes could "change the mix of what people eat" and push shoppers to buy more domestically-produced cheese.He said a no-deal Brexit could mean that food bills rise by an average of three to five per cent, with some products increasing further.The grocer has also begun stockpiling some non-fresh food in preparation for disruption and potential shortages... Daily Telegraph

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 20:17

You mean the great prize is rolling over agreements they already had in place bubbling in the EU... it allows contributory rather than expansion.I'm not sure that's such a great prize....

[k38] 09/12/2020 20:16

I bet Boris can't wait to return to UK to have his beef with red wine. He is in the capital of capitalism for a " wish you a merry Christmas and happy new year "Ofcourse the good byes includes the "LAST SUPPER " a three course menu, including fish skin soup as first plate. Main dish, fish bones soup and for afters French chips.

[jl5006] 09/12/2020 20:04

h
just the quota system for UK
Fair - who determines - the germans

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 20:04

A new farming policyBy JOHNREDWOOD | Published: DECEMBER 5, 2020One of the big wins from Brexit should be a new farming policy. The Common Agricultural Policy has not been kind to UK farmers. Market share in temperate food products has shrunk badly during our time in the EU, whilst cheaper products from non EU sources have been kept out by tariffs. We have developed a huge balance of trade deficit with the EU in food.The government always responds positively when I raise the issue of how we can follow a farming policy from the 1Janaury that gives more help to UK producers, and encourages more domestic production. The government has promised to maintain current overall subsidy levels this Parliament once we are out of the EU, but to gradually redirect them. Large scale profitable farmers will enjoy less subsidy for producing food. More subsidy will go for environmental goods including the promotion of more natural landscapes.The government will take advantage of our new freedoms to raise animal welfare standards. It is currently consulting on banning the export of live animals, and banning the transport of live animals through the UK by overseas interests. That is welcome.I would like to see more definition of the schemes available from 1 January to offer support to farmers keen to expand their food production. Market gardeners wishing to whittle away the huge deficit on vegetables, temperate fruits and salad items need loan and grant schemes to put in the extra covered areas to boost output. As stated before, the fishing industry needs loan and grant schemes to increase our fleet capacity to land our fish. Dairy and meat producers also may need help with mechanising and improving output.Our competitors use these methods to gain market share. The government has promised us more of a response, so bring it on.

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 20:03

The UK and Canada signed a post-Brexit trade agreement, through which an estimated "£42m ($56m) tariff burden on UK exports has been saved," the UK government said.The new agreement "secures transatlantic trade with a trading partnership that was worth £20bn last year," the UK Department for International Trade said in a statement, adding that it also gives certainty for businesses exporting goods and services to Canada worth £11.bn.The news comes two months after the UK sealed its first post-Brexit trade deal, which was with Japan and a month after Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau said a trade deal could be finalised by the end of 2020, but feared the UK may not have the "bandwidth" to see it through.Under the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) between the EU and Canada, 95% of the imports covered are tariff and quota-free.When the UK leaves the EU, it will lose the benefits that comes with being part of the bloc - unified tariffs and trading conditions with 27 other nations, and it now has to work out separate deals.The UK and Canada last month announced an 'agreement in principle' to roll over current trading arrangements and will begin negotiations on a new, bespoke UK-Canada trade deal next year.The government said the deal it has just announced supports British industries including automotive manufacturing and food and drink.The benefits locked in under the agreement signed Wednesday include zero tariffs on UK car exports to Canada, which were worth £757m last year.Without this agreement, Canada's standard tariffs on cars of 6.1% would apply.It also includes tariff-free trade on 98% of goods that can be exported to Canada including beef, fish and seafood and soft drinks.READ MORE: Tesco expects higher prices in 'worst case' scenario of a no-deal BrexitUK producers will continue to benefit from zero tariffs on many agricultural and seafood exports including chocolate, confectionary, fruit and vegetables, bread, pastries and fish. Last year the UK exported £344m worth of agri-food goods to Canada.Without the continuity agreement, Canadian food products such as maple syrup, biscuits and salmon could have been more expensive for British consumers as they would face taxes of up to 8% when entering the UK.International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said the agreement "takes us a step closer to joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a high standards agreement of 11 dynamic Pacific nations. Membership would deepen market access for our businesses, help turn us into a global hub for tech and services trade, and strengthen the global consensus for rules-based free trade."In under two years, the UK government said it has agreed trade deals with 55 countries accounting for £170bn of UK bilateral trade.Meanwhile, a trade deal with the US continues to be a top priority for the UK. However, Johnson's politics are more aligned with Donald Trump's and with Biden now in charge, there will be a real test of the well-recognised "special relationship" between the UK and US, especially when it comes to Brexit.... Yahoo Finance

[heialex1] 09/12/2020 19:57

I still haven't heard an explanation as to why why couldn't produce more than we did when in the EU.... Germany seems to manage just fine. In fact, they are one of the largest exporters in the world while in the EU. Hhhmmmm...Here's a thought. Maybe it has nothing to do with the EU...

[jl5006] 09/12/2020 19:55

asa
sadly we were stopped from producing - EU diktat - quota system.
We have a fertile soil and should be able to produce all that Spain produces all year round - so no need to import from EU - simples really.

[asa8] 09/12/2020 19:49

Yes all the containers come in full but go out empty let’s grow more of our own food and make more that’s what has held this country back for decades

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 19:47

What's on the menu.First courseNo DealSecond course.No DealNth courseNo DealAftersWTO & Liberty. Jolly good too.