Lloyds Banking Share Discussion Threads

[jl5006] 09/12/2020 19:21

Incompetence costs - and the poor cannot pay - so the way to tax the asset rich is a small price - not as if it might be 10% - just one %.

But incompetence cannot continue and the parasitic quangos need to be dissolved - so said Cameron - but just words.

Actions now needed and quickly - stop the green make the countryside beautiful - nut nuts madness. That is where BJ is so weak - surrounded by PC - that is not the No 10 needed - radical review of 40 Years of failure. Needs sone with balls - not u BJ

[maxk] 09/12/2020 18:40

As long as Doris doesent come back waving bits of paper..

[cheshire pete] 09/12/2020 18:25

Media trying to whip up hysteria about congestion at our ports.

Simple solution: get the Army in, Logistics Corps to keep things moving if a 'real' problem. HMG no problem air freighting COVID vaccines in if necessary, so Army keeping freight free of EU logjams. No brainer. EU need us more than we need them.

Always a solution to 'problems' thrown up by our remain, lefty media.

[alphorn] 09/12/2020 18:16

cheshire - for the nth time 'hope is not a strategy'. All your views are based upon just that. Sad.

[poikka] 09/12/2020 18:13

"The UK will drop tariffs against the US over subsidies for aerospace firms, in a bid to reach a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington.

In November, the EU hit $4bn of US goods with duties of up to 25% in retaliation for illegal state aid given to planemaker Boeing.

They will be suspended in the UK from 1 January - when the current post-Brexit transition period ends.

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said the UK wanted to find compromise.

"As an independent trading nation once again, we finally have the ability to shape these tariffs," she said.

"Ultimately, we want to de-escalate the conflict and come to a negotiated settlement so we can deepen our trading relationship with the US and draw a line under all this," she added."

[polar fox] 09/12/2020 18:11

BBC - EU says it's going to start publishing its ND contingency arrangements this week.

Last minute pressure??

[poikka] 09/12/2020 18:09

"Britain is set to sign a £20bn post-Brexit trade deal with Canada that will roll over terms from an existing agreement with the EU.

International trade secretary Liz Truss said the tie-up, which was agreed last month and will be sealed on Wednesday, will be a springboard for a wider trade alliance and a tailor-made deal with Canada. The deal will roll over terms from an agreement between Canada and the EU."

[cheshire pete] 09/12/2020 17:57

No more kicking of the can Boris. We've wasted over 4 years getting nowhere. EU want to stall, stall and stop. No more playing their game Boris.

Parachutes ready....cliff edge coming, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggggggggghh.

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:39

Choice.Boris a Hero.Or.Man of Shame.No DealWTOLiberty

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:37

Liberty day = 1 January 2021.No Deal then either.WTOLiberty

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:36

Talk about Trade Talks til the cows come home. ButSovereignty. Sovereignty. Sovereignty.Or the Conservative Party will be RIP. No Deal WTO Liberty

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:34

Charles Milvertob9 Dec 2020 4:55PMHarry says: The problems of fishing rights, a level playing field, and the future governance of any deal are still a long way from being resolved.Well Harry, me old china, these are easily resolved. The PM will refuse to accept them. If any compromise is made it will be BRINO and a lot/millions of very, very angry voters, particularly in the North.I, for one, would never vote for this Conservative government again and I am not alone in feeling strongly about a sell-out.I'm sure that the PM is fully aware of the dangers of any kind of capitulation to the EU managers.12LikeReplyRobin Holman9 Dec 2020 5:12PM@Charles Milvertob Plus Farages party would have 100 new MP,s overnight.... Daily Telegraph

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:30

Winston Smith9 Dec 2020 5:01PMFFS. Round and round we go. Only a remoaner would bother writing that much about such a simple decision.BORIS - WALK AWAY NOW!!! 17.4 million people are right behind you. The EU needs to be in our rear-view mirror.... Daily Telegraph

[minerve 2] 09/12/2020 17:28

"Stand firm Boris and you'll be a national hero for Xmas."

Speak for yourself.

ONLY with the Little Englanders/simpletons. :)

[cheshire pete] 09/12/2020 17:21

EU proportion of global GDP in decline. More important than ever that we are able to deal with RoW without EU constraints.
We'll look back in 5 to 10 years and reflect on what a good move leaving EU was and how it was just in time.

[jordaggy] 09/12/2020 17:19

GtG, I know, it's criminal! but there's no money in old medicine...

[cheshire pete] 09/12/2020 17:15

Boxerdogz: enjoy your posts, welcome reinforcement at just before midnight. No surrender to EU.
Don't fall for Ursula's wiles Boris. They know the score, no need to go through it all again. Stand firm Boris and you'll be a national hero for Xmas.

[xxxxxy] 09/12/2020 17:13

The EU's underhand and inconsistent fishing negotiationsDecember 09, 2020By Jayne Adye The European Union – and perhaps more specifically – French President Emanuel Macron's demands to protect French fishermen after the Transition Period at the end of this year, amount to the United Kingdom being forced to sign up to fishing arrangements where EU member states maintain ongoing access to the UK's waters for years to come.  Despite the stubbornness from the EU's Chief Brexit Negotiator, Michel Barnier, during talks over the last four years, there's plenty of evidence to suggest many in the bloc are receptive to fairer arrangements regarding fishing.  Not so long ago, several countries which rely heavily on their fishing industries, left or refused to join the European Union. In 1985 Greenland left the EU; Norway declined to join most recently in 1994; Iceland withdrew its accession application in 2013; and the Faroes has consistently rejected EU Membership outright.  All these countries are big fishing nations and every single one of them now has very fair and favourable fishing agreements in place with the EU. The terms these countries secured with the EU are exactly the same terms the British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, had requested, following the EU referendum, in which fishing was a significant issue.  Boris has demanded an agreement which involves scientifically arranged quotas which are devised on an annual basis to avoid overfishing our waters, which the EU – and particularly French fishermen – currently exploit. In the case of Greenland, EU fishermen from various Member States, were exploiting Greenland's waters several decades ago – hoovering up fish stocks around its coast with no consideration for the delicate ecosystem.  The above-mentioned States currently employ the same or at least very similar arrangements to those we are seeking for our future relationship with the EU and there was no problem in ratifying those agreements. All have thriving fishing industries – some of the most lucrative in the world – and EU Member States still get a fair share of the fish pie.  It is bewildering why the EU is demanding more from a fisheries agreement with the UK than it has done previously – apart from the notion the French President is using this to attempt to enhance his ever-declining popularity in France, and as a ploy to increase the likelihood of a high-profile role within the EU Commission or Council once France kicks him out as President.   There is clearly no reason for our Government to accept this blackmail. The EU's demands are totally unfounded and unreasonable.  By GDP per Capita, those nations above which aren't Members of the EU are some of the wealthiest countries on the planet – every single one of them rank above the UK. Most of their wealth has recently increased exponentially, while the EU Member States' wealth has stagnated. The correlation? Despite the EU's ongoing march towards expansion and federalism, EU Membership benefits few countries within the EU while a significant number of countries on the outside enjoy vast prosperity.  It is clear the UK is not the one being awkward in the fishing negotiations. The Government has already signed our own fishing agreements with Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Greenland this year alone, using arrangements these countries share with the EU already.  This proves what the Government is offering the EU is completely fair, and clearly very easy to implement! Agreements are possible, only NOT on the terms the EU is offering.  According to 'EU Diplomatic sources', the UK is asserting it will 'nationalise' foreign-owned boats which hold UK fishing quotas. A Freedom of Information Request submitted by myself, disproved this statement. I asked the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs: "Is the UK intending to reclaim the quotas owned by these foreign boats?". The Department's response was: "We do not intend to change the current approach to allocating existing quota to these vessels." This week the Government has publicly denied such claims, saying: "This is not true".  The EU is clearly playing a political game with these negotiations, yet again blatantly lying and pointing the finger to disguise its own incompetence in the hope the media will take its side and try to force the UK into accepting a 'Bad Deal'.  There is no acceptable reason why the EU is demanding so much from our fishermen. This week there were reports indicating the EU is also demanding the UK sign up to a massive 10-year 'Review Clause', where any allocated quotas will only be renegotiated after a decade.   Those 10 years would allow the EU to continue to extensively exploit our waters, which is totally unacceptable. No doubt it thinks by the time any renegotiations happen in 10 years' time, there might be a better chance it would not have to renegotiate with a Eurosceptic Prime Minister!  The 10-year 'Review Clause' the EU proposed was for it to return just 15% of EU-allocated quotas back to the UK. What on earth doesn't the EU understand about our 'Taking Back Control'? The waters surrounding the UK are our waters. Now we have left the EU, the fish in those waters belong to the UK, and if anyone is going to make any offer, it should be in the UK's gift and not for draconian EU rules to be imposed on us! Reports now suggest the UK countered with a 3-year fishing transition period, however, the EU has rejected this out of hand.   These suggestions coming from Brussels are ridiculous and spending time considering any of their ludicrous demands is a waste of time. Despite the UK apparently being willing to compromise, this week the EU has shown it is still seeking to manipulate the media by releasing false stories in order to try and force the UK into accepting a 'Bad Deal'. This is NOT negotiating in good faith!  We understand the Prime Minister will be travelling to Brussels today to meet with the President of the EU Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, following their long and inconclusive phone calls on Monday evening. Boris Johnson must lay it out clearly for the EU – accept our fishing Red Lines which have been clear from the very beginning, or we walk. We must Get Britain Out of the Transition Period with a fishing agreement similar to the one the EU already shares with other breakaway countries, otherwise we must Leave without one. Bullying the United Kingdom simply will not work!  

[alphorn] 09/12/2020 17:10

"Leavers want to liaise with the WORLD"

Then why exactly are many of the FTSE companies withdrawing from the 'world'. There is a difference between words and reality? They have not read your post?

Others, like Dyson and Ratcliffe want to liaise with the world, but not from the UK.

A difference between words and reality.

[geckotheglorious] 09/12/2020 16:57

Jord,

Ivermectin is the unsung hero that Mainstream media and most developed nations are ignoring.

Shocking.
As is the lack of media coverage on Vitamin D.

[utyinv] 09/12/2020 16:57

Yanks at it again?

[geckotheglorious] 09/12/2020 16:54

Why do Remainers always claim Leavers are Little Englanders when they are the Little Europeans!!!

Leavers want to liaise with the WORLD not just a declining and often irrelevant Europe.