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[careful] 11/7/2019 09:08

The trouble with democracy is that if everyone votes, we are limited by the intelligence of the electorate.

Just read the most watched programme is 'love island'.

There you have it in a nutshell, millions of half wits decide our country's future.

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 09:05

cheshire - yes, big change. Their past sessions were not constructive at all. Recently they are talking off the same hymn sheet which is worrying!

[careful] 11/7/2019 09:05

so many votes on everything.
Elections, EU, local, elections.
'a vote a day helps you work rest and play.'

The beauty of it all is that things change so quickly.
If Boris's hard Brexit causes hardship, then the next election will be won by a party who will negotiate re entry into the EU.

[cheshire pete] 11/7/2019 09:02

Yes Alphorn, Pierce has toned it down a bit with the new editor of the DM. They've had some right ding dong sessions in the past.

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 09:02

#448.........…...or read up from the experts on this thread. Lol

[joe say] 11/7/2019 09:01

The governor, chancellor et al predicted doom and gloom pre-vote

What actually happened?

Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on the likes of Branson for an opinion

[careful] 11/7/2019 08:59

But what does Branson know about business
Why doesn't he listen to historian Redwood, or EU. MP Farage?

[joe say] 11/7/2019 08:57

Tax dodging vermin imo

[careful] 11/7/2019 08:56

Branson desperately worried about a hard Brexit.
£ will plummet UK will go bankrupt.
He will move his operation out of the uk.

[gotnorolex] 11/7/2019 08:43

Yin and yan not normal grahamite2
But actually complementary!

[grahamite2] 11/7/2019 08:40

Boris and Trump speak the language of normal people.

[diku] 11/7/2019 08:35

Boris and Trump speak same language...so they will understand each other better...also common hair style...

[gotnorolex] 11/7/2019 08:22

Maggie+Ragan=amity
Blair+Bush=besties
Boris+Trump=double act!

[poikka] 11/7/2019 08:17

Anyone else noticed how many of Corbyn's right hand men and women are Irish or have Irish backgrounds?

Now they wouldn't have been infiltrated by Sinn Fein, would they?

Lupo the sceptic.

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 08:03

Pierre Sauvon 10 Jul 2019 7:18PM

May has never wanted a FTA with the USA preferring instead to allow Germany to conduct our trade through the EU. May and the progressive liberal left see their future as a vassal state with someone else doing the real work of trade and government.

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 08:01

Leaked documents expose lack of progress in US-UK trade talks

hTps://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/10/lack-progress-us-uk-trade-talks-laid-bare-cache-leaked-documents/

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 07:58

May’s surrender treaty is fatally flawed even if the Backstop is removed completely
For what seems like forever, MPs have been obsessing about one particular aspect of Mrs May’s ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ – the Northern Ireland Backstop. They shouldn’t. It’s just one of many issues but it has become a talisman and now endangers a ‘start again’ approach to Brexit negotiations.

Backdrop to the Backstop

In the run-up to the third and last of Mrs May’s unsuccessful attempts to railroad her disastrous ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ through the Commons, it became clear that even members of the ‘European Research Group’ (ERG) of Brexit-backing Conservative MPs were considering voting for May’s surrender treaty (our description).

The Government and its whips exerted huge pressure on pro-Brexit MPs, and even suggested that the Backstop could be renegotiated or abrogated in some way after the Agreement was signed. They did so because the Backstop had become the last stand for many Brexiteer MPs.

In the end, our predictions that many ERG members would cave in ahead of the vote were correct. A large number of pro-Brexit and ERG members did in fact give in and vote for the Withdrawal Agreement on its third presentation, regardless of the presence of the Backstop. These included Boris Johnson, likely future Prime Minister, and the Chairman of the ERG, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Only a small minority of Conservative MPs voted against the third Meaningful Vote, including stalwarts such as Steve Baker, Andrew Bridgen, Bill Cash, Mark Francois, Andrea Jenkyns, David Jones, Anne Marie Morris, Owen Paterson, and John Redwood, as well as Labour MPs such as Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer.

Back to the Backstop – and Boris

Boris Johnson has said a great deal about Brexit during the Tory leadership campaign. He has mentioned the Backstop many times.
Here’s an example from just over a week ago of what Boris Johnson said on the Backstop:-

“Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our Union.

“That is why I resigned over Chequers. It is a terrible moral blackmail it puts on the UK Government. We can't have that.

“The way to protect the Union is to come out the EU whole and entire. Solve the border issues where they belong in the FTA (free trade agreement) which we are going to do.”



- Boris Johnson, 02 Jul 2019

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 07:20

cheshire #429. The two guys (Pierce and Maguire) last night were in agreement (unusually) on most topics including Labour party issues. Their agreement certainly did not come across as very optimistic as to where things stand.

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 07:05

This FT headline captures my thoughts exactly which probably is why I like it!

"Will Johnson’s bluster over no-deal Brexit collide with reality?"
Reality, for me, includes the issue itself as well as the time needed to form a new team, come up with an agreed strategy, negotiate (around summer holidays), try and obtain agreement by both parties, obtain official approvals and implement.
Challenging is being polite.

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 06:12

The EUSSR is BAD

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 06:11

What do we need from a new Ambassador to the USA?

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 11, 2019

The outgoing Ambassador was right to resign. His position was undermined by the leaker, who needs to be identified. He could no longer perform his role, as the President took his criticisms personally. The next Ambassador must be capable of good analysis in private communications, expressed in moderate and professional language, and be a great advocate of the United Kingdom. He or she will need to rebuild trust and regular exchanges with the Administration after this most unfortunate rupture. We need someone who likes the USA and respects the democratic decision of US voters.

The new appointee should be expected to regain access to senior officials and the President and to reassure them that the UK respects the Administration in office and wishes to work with them, whilst of course reserving the right of a trusted friend and ally to give unpopular advice in private and to disagree in public about policy where our interests as countries diverge. The first report back home should explain the successes and aims of the White House as they set them out, and to remind us that we can learn from their economic progress. The US is growing considerably faster than the UK or the EU. It is enjoying considerable success in creating many new jobs and getting real wages up. The President’s tax cuts have made people better off, promoted more investment in the USA and helped establish more and better paid employment. The President, unlike his predecessors has kept them and us out of difficult Middle Eastern wars. More background to US achievement would be helpful and provide essential political context to the long run up to the next Presidential election, which Mr Trump is in a good position currently to win.

Of course the Ambassador should also inform London of the Democrat critique of the Presidency to provide balance. Instead of siding with the Opposition the analysis should evaluate chances or probabilities of the Democrats finding a candidate for the Presidency who might be able to win, and in the meantime assessing what the Democrats in the House of Representatives can achieve on issues where the Congress has a say.

The diplomatic memo should not be cheer leading for the President’s critics, giving a false sense of their chances of gaining control. Nor should it be propaganda for Mr Trump, whose policies should be reported and scrutinised professionally. The new UK representative needs to be proud of the UK and our decision to leave the EU, and alert to the many opportunities Brexit offers for the US relationship, not just in our minds but in the mind of the President.

[cheshire pete] 10/7/2019 23:45

She's been warned off it minerve.

[maxk] 10/7/2019 23:22

There's no chance of that.