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[minerve 2] 11/7/2019 09:20

Shy Tott

We trade with the EU big time and have done for decades. Other countries are not as reliant as we are. It makes sense to trade with your closest partners. I would have thought Trump's behaviour would concern you about US/UK trade relations. Basically, it is do as I say.

Boris and the Hard-Brexiters are going to put this country back over a decade. It is really sad that we have allowed people with little intelligence and the charlatans to decide the future of this country.

[shy tott] 11/7/2019 09:19

I think there are better examples of idiotic, completely illogical and hopeless views on this very board careful.

But democracy is about the majority with all equal, thick or thin, brainy or idiotic, and that's the way it should be. The alternatives are much worse by a google times.

Anyway, most people irrespective of their academic awards think of themselves as very bright. Look no further than minereve2 who thinks a back street welsh polytechnic produces the beast brains. Gigo i'm afraid, yet can he see it?

[minerve 2] 11/7/2019 09:17

Do the idiots on this thread actually read what they write?

[minerve 2] 11/7/2019 09:16

"As for Major, why should anyone take seriously someone unfaithful to his wife...."


Ooops.

[cheshire pete] 11/7/2019 09:14

The guy Darroch was/is a remainer. Why would you want to keep a remainer as Ambassador at a time when we're leaving the EU and trying to forge a trade deal with the US....even if he had good things to say about Trump, which he didn't?
Much hrumphing here but only from remainer types, like MP Duncan.

Boris needs to have a purge of remainer types from the cabinet, no.10 staff, embassies and civil service. If he doesn't they'll do their best to undermine him, just as Parliament has betrayed the electorate.

As for Major, why should anyone take seriously someone unfaithful to his wife and who nearly bankrupted the country? Boris must suspend Parliament if the EU don't back down.

[shy tott] 11/7/2019 09:13

Oh and careful, when we talk about 'no deal', it means no transition arrangements (or rather not all transition arrangements some would like). THEY ARE JUST AGREEMENTS TO EASE OUT FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS WHILE THE AGREEMENTS YOU ITEMISE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS WHICH WILL BE NEGOTIATED DURING THE TRANSITION PERIOD. oopse, caps sorry. Of course May's deal - the eu written deal - tried to write in permanent, non-escape, detrimental to the uk transition arrangements, contrary to the whole idea.Just instant obvious agreements such as reciporical travel, stay and work arrangements which have been agreed for the transition period.

[careful] 11/7/2019 09:08

The trouble with democracy is that if everyone votes, we are limited by the intelligence of the electorate.

Just read the most watched programme is 'love island'.

There you have it in a nutshell, millions of half wits decide our country's future.

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 09:05

cheshire - yes, big change. Their past sessions were not constructive at all. Recently they are talking off the same hymn sheet which is worrying!

[careful] 11/7/2019 09:05

so many votes on everything.
Elections, EU, local, elections.
'a vote a day helps you work rest and play.'

The beauty of it all is that things change so quickly.
If Boris's hard Brexit causes hardship, then the next election will be won by a party who will negotiate re entry into the EU.

[cheshire pete] 11/7/2019 09:02

Yes Alphorn, Pierce has toned it down a bit with the new editor of the DM. They've had some right ding dong sessions in the past.

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 09:02

#448.........…...or read up from the experts on this thread. Lol

[joe say] 11/7/2019 09:01

The governor, chancellor et al predicted doom and gloom pre-vote

What actually happened?

Try thinking for yourself instead of relying on the likes of Branson for an opinion

[careful] 11/7/2019 08:59

But what does Branson know about business
Why doesn't he listen to historian Redwood, or EU. MP Farage?

[joe say] 11/7/2019 08:57

Tax dodging vermin imo

[careful] 11/7/2019 08:56

Branson desperately worried about a hard Brexit.
£ will plummet UK will go bankrupt.
He will move his operation out of the uk.

[gotnorolex] 11/7/2019 08:43

Yin and yan not normal grahamite2
But actually complementary!

[grahamite2] 11/7/2019 08:40

Boris and Trump speak the language of normal people.

[diku] 11/7/2019 08:35

Boris and Trump speak same language...so they will understand each other better...also common hair style...

[gotnorolex] 11/7/2019 08:22

Maggie+Ragan=amity
Blair+Bush=besties
Boris+Trump=double act!

[poikka] 11/7/2019 08:17

Anyone else noticed how many of Corbyn's right hand men and women are Irish or have Irish backgrounds?

Now they wouldn't have been infiltrated by Sinn Fein, would they?

Lupo the sceptic.

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 08:03

Pierre Sauvon 10 Jul 2019 7:18PM

May has never wanted a FTA with the USA preferring instead to allow Germany to conduct our trade through the EU. May and the progressive liberal left see their future as a vassal state with someone else doing the real work of trade and government.

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 08:01

Leaked documents expose lack of progress in US-UK trade talks

hTps://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/07/10/lack-progress-us-uk-trade-talks-laid-bare-cache-leaked-documents/

[xxxxxy] 11/7/2019 07:58

May’s surrender treaty is fatally flawed even if the Backstop is removed completely
For what seems like forever, MPs have been obsessing about one particular aspect of Mrs May’s ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ – the Northern Ireland Backstop. They shouldn’t. It’s just one of many issues but it has become a talisman and now endangers a ‘start again’ approach to Brexit negotiations.

Backdrop to the Backstop

In the run-up to the third and last of Mrs May’s unsuccessful attempts to railroad her disastrous ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ through the Commons, it became clear that even members of the ‘European Research Group’ (ERG) of Brexit-backing Conservative MPs were considering voting for May’s surrender treaty (our description).

The Government and its whips exerted huge pressure on pro-Brexit MPs, and even suggested that the Backstop could be renegotiated or abrogated in some way after the Agreement was signed. They did so because the Backstop had become the last stand for many Brexiteer MPs.

In the end, our predictions that many ERG members would cave in ahead of the vote were correct. A large number of pro-Brexit and ERG members did in fact give in and vote for the Withdrawal Agreement on its third presentation, regardless of the presence of the Backstop. These included Boris Johnson, likely future Prime Minister, and the Chairman of the ERG, Jacob Rees-Mogg.

Only a small minority of Conservative MPs voted against the third Meaningful Vote, including stalwarts such as Steve Baker, Andrew Bridgen, Bill Cash, Mark Francois, Andrea Jenkyns, David Jones, Anne Marie Morris, Owen Paterson, and John Redwood, as well as Labour MPs such as Kate Hoey and Graham Stringer.

Back to the Backstop – and Boris

Boris Johnson has said a great deal about Brexit during the Tory leadership campaign. He has mentioned the Backstop many times.
Here’s an example from just over a week ago of what Boris Johnson said on the Backstop:-

“Under no circumstances, whatever happens, will I allow the EU or anyone else to create any kind of division down the Irish Sea or attenuate our Union.

“That is why I resigned over Chequers. It is a terrible moral blackmail it puts on the UK Government. We can't have that.

“The way to protect the Union is to come out the EU whole and entire. Solve the border issues where they belong in the FTA (free trade agreement) which we are going to do.”



- Boris Johnson, 02 Jul 2019

[alphorn] 11/7/2019 07:20

cheshire #429. The two guys (Pierce and Maguire) last night were in agreement (unusually) on most topics including Labour party issues. Their agreement certainly did not come across as very optimistic as to where things stand.