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[utrickytrees] 08/6/2020 17:52

Were the only one stupid enough to put up with it maxidi

[ball deap] 08/6/2020 17:22

How is Covid19 still taken seriously??? The protesters are still out !!!! Total bull, get out of gold, BTC ETH and the rest and get back into stocks.

[utrickytrees] 08/6/2020 17:13

All things considered, slavery was merely the pe-cursor for capitalism wasnt it? Compare indigenous British at the bottom of the pile in the slums of the UK and their living standards wernt that much worse than the slaves in the plantations, yet we dont bleat on about retrospective injustice, we just crack on and get on with it. The UK was the first country to abolish slavery & weve been at the forefront of equality ever since.The virtuous who want to dwell on Britain's past and draw parallels in history to modern times have a choice if they dont like it....they can chance their arm somewhere else.

Slavery has and continues to be important as a means of survival for the very poorest in Africa. Move on thicko militants Britain has paid her debt many times over to those cultures wronged under the empire & were now at the point where many feel the fabric of the UK shouldnt yield further to the protestations of the minorities.

[bbalanjones] 08/6/2020 14:54

The man the toppled statue actually was . . . Mr Colston of Bristol.

"Later in 2018, Bristol Council unveiled the wording for the second plaque, “As a high official of the Royal African Company from 1680 to 1692, Edward Colston played an active role in the enslavement of over 84,000 Africans (including 12,000 children) of whom over 19,000 died en route to the Caribbean and America.
Colston also invested in the Spanish slave trade and in slave-produced sugar. As Tory MP for Bristol (1710-1713), he defended the city’s ‘right’ to trade in enslaved Africans. Bristolians who did not subscribe to his religious and political beliefs were not allowed to benefit from his charities'."

[bbalanjones] 08/6/2020 14:46

Among the strangest aspects of Britain’s pandemic response has been constant parroting of claims by stumbling politicians and their scientific advisers that this country reacted in “world-beating” style.
They have boasted of global leadership from initial planning through to the track-and-trace system, oblivious to how the rest of the world views us with pity since only our hideous death rate is deserving of international attention.
Once again, we see a nation that is still infected – certainly among our leaders – by a strain of hollow exceptionalism.

[xxxxxy] 08/6/2020 14:29

john sinclair8 Jun 2020 8:55AMWhat we must never do in the UK is value money above anything else, whatever the cost. Winston Churchill knew it, though there were many in power who wanted to collude with evil in order to now "unsettle anything".Now is the time to take a long hard look at China for so many reasons, and maybe a few middles east countries as well

[xxxxxy] 08/6/2020 14:27

China...Anthony Burden8 Jun 2020 9:05AMWhere is this journalist coming from does he realise that China has managedto bankrupt the western world with covid 19 by accident or OTHERWISE.The way forward is to manufacture more and become more self sufficient,regardless of extra cost.

[xxxxxy] 08/6/2020 12:46

The EUSSR is so protectionist. That shows lack of confidence. Lack of creativity. Lack of future thinking. Like the old USSR, the EUSSR is sclerotic and dying. Pointless pursuing anything with the EUSSR. They are Yesterday and now dying.No Deal

[xxxxxy] 08/6/2020 12:42

David James8 Jun 2020 12:11PMThis is very short term speculation.The UK will save tens maybe hundreds of billions, end EU laws blocking UK competition and apply UK boosting laws. The UK will thrive in No Deal, or with a Deal.EU banking was still in crisis from 2007-9. It now carries unsustainable bad debts. EU growth has crashed. Even the EU loving IMF said the UK will outgrow the EU.EU economies face millions of jobless from low cost Asia, Covid and Brexit.The EU also has a huge demographic crisis. While the EU already pays 50% of global welfare. Germany alone needs 500,000 new workers each year. That is the EU best.2020-2030 will see the EU sink into a low growth backwater while the rest of the world grows.

[xxxxxy] 08/6/2020 12:36

?EU fishing countries forced Barnier to drop his plan to compromise in the last round of negotiations, it's been reported. Meanwhile, Boris gets tough on Chinese takeovers of UK innovation as Beijing claims its threat to Australia of 80% tariffs is just the 'tip of the iceberg.'EU fishing states blocked Barnier's attempts at compromise: Last week's Brexit talks saw no significant progress and the Telegraph are reporting that Michel Barnier was forced to block any hopes of a breakthrough by EU fishing nations. The EU's chief negotiator had suggested a new process on how to calculate fishing rights in a bid to break the deadlock. However, the EU fishing countries rejected his bid forcing him to abandon the compromise and stick to the 'maximalist' approach to a fisheries agreement.The EU is demanding no change to the status quo, looking to continue its lucrative arrangement. Michel Barnier has been signalling the need for the EU to move from its untenable position, most recently in his press conference after the latest round of negotiations where he said "If we want an agreement we will have to discuss somewhere between the two positions." A senior UK source told the Telegraph that "obviously they need to move off from where they started and it is just a question of when that happens." However, the EU's approach to a future fisheries agreement is risking the collapse of the whole FTA, a collapse that would see the UK trading on WTO rules as well as taking back full control of its own waters anyway. Boris looks to change 'defective' Brexit withdrawal agreement: The UK is reportedly looking to change the terms of its Brexit withdrawal agreement that was largely borrowed from the Theresa May plan that was rejected by parliament three times. A source close to the negotiations has said that Boris Johnson believes there were 'unfair defects' in May's deal which the government did not have time to fix last year. "Unfortunately we couldn't fix every defect with the withdrawal agreement last autumn – we had to prioritise abolishing the backstop and getting Brexit done in the face of a parliament that was trying to stop us," the source said. "We'll now have to do our best to fix it but we're starting with a clear disadvantage."UK officials have also accused Barnier of misinterpreting the role of the Political Declaration, saying "we're committed to the political declaration, but we see it as guiding parameters – it is not a treaty" going on to make it clear that the declaration merely lays out a framework and does not require the UK to agree to everything in it. Government gets tough on Chinese takeovers: Boris Johnson will announce tougher laws to prevent foreign takeovers that pose a threat to national security. The legislation would make it mandatory for British companies to report attempted takeovers and would be backed by the threat of criminal sanctions. The new legislation comes off the back of a growing concern in Number 10 over China's influence. Britain continues to draw up alternatives to Huawei for plans to build up Britain's 5G network, despite Chinese threats over nuclear power and HS2 as tensions between Downing Street and Beijing sour after Britain's strong condemnation of China's actions in Hong Kong. The National Security and Investment Bill will strengthen government powers to intervene in takeovers and mergers that provide a threat to national security. Following China's recent threat to pull the plug on British nuclear plant plans, an internal document has shown that the UK had been in early talks to allow a "majority led Chinese new build project including the use of Chinese reactor technology" in collaboration with China National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), a corporation with well-established Chinese military connection. The Prime Minister also wants 'academic partnerships' and research projects to be included under the rules after experts warned that British taxpayers may be inadvertently funding China's defence program though UK public money poured into technology research in collaboration with Chinese universities. Imperial College London has agreed a £5 million deal with Huawei that Tory MPs have described as 'deeply worrying'. China's state media boasts of missile breakthrough and fires fresh threats at Australia: China's state owned media outlet Global Times has been boasting about a technological breakthrough for its hypersonic cruise missiles as it increases its aggression worldwide. The article reports that the missile breakthrough could increase the range by up to five times, allowing it to become intercontinental. Meanwhile Beijing fired another shot at Australia, saying Chinese consumers will abandon the country after the Chinese Ministry of Culture and Tourism urged citizens to avoid travelling to Australia. Yesterday, Chinese state-owned media warned that a loss in tourism would be 'just the tip of the iceberg' in terms of the consequences Australia will face for its condemnation of China over the virus outbreak. However, Australia's Prime Minister, Scott Morrison has seen approval ratings soar as voters rally around him for his tough stance on China, despite continued threats from Beijing. WTO to select next Director-General: The World Trade Organisation is in the process of selecting its next Director-General with submissions closing today. One name coming up in the race is Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, a former finance minister and corruption buster who now sits on the board of Twitter. One senior African trade official stressed that the continent's advantage was that it was not in the front line of the tariff battles between China, the EU and the U.S. "Africa will not have a compromised candidate," he said.Politico has the story, writing "Despite Europe's public declarations that it wants to forge closer alliances with Africa, its diplomats are also wary of a trade official who could rekindle feuds over Europe's lavish agricultural subsidies - a long-held grievance in Africa. The European nightmare would be that European farm payments become snared up in talks on reducing state subsidies to Chinese industry." Europe is eyeing the top job for one of its own, potentially including European Commissioner for Trade Phil Hogan.Priti Patel condemns violent protests: As protests over the death of George Floyd continue in the UK, Home Secretary Priti Patel has written an article in the Telegraph warning that these protests risk under-mining the UK's progress against COVID-19. She also criticised the recent violence saying "these scenes of lawlessness are completely unacceptable" as well as giving her full backing to the police in tackling unlawful behaviour and ensuring that justice is served to those individuals who are responsible.AstraZenca drops interest in American rival: AstraZenca has abandoned its tentative interest in joining forces with Gilead Sciences, the American pharmaceutical company behind antiviral medication Remdesivir. The company is thought to have now ruled out any merger on the basis that it would be distracted from developing its own drug pipelines as well as from its attempts to produce a successful coronavirus vaccine. On our site today: Today's first article comes from Marcus Fysh who is the Member of Parliament for Yeovil, Deputy President of the Board of Trade and Chairman of the APPG for Education. He is also a member of European Scrutiny Select Committee. His article argues that we can keep high food standards in the UK without risking the UK's entire trade policy. You can read the full article here.The second of today's articles comes from Adrian Hill who served with Her Majesty's Diplomatic Service for almost 30 years and is now based in Switzerland. His article looks at China's increased aggression and investment in its naval capacity, urging the UK to strengthen its defences rather than cut them. You can read the full article here.For the latest news and developments throughout the day, please do follow @GlobalVision_UK on Twitter.Thanks for reading, and enjoy the rest of your day.

[pal44] 08/6/2020 12:30

An eye for and eye will leave the whole world blind -Ghandhi

[maxidi] 08/6/2020 12:28

maxk.

Excellent poem..... 5star!

[maxk] 08/6/2020 12:24

I won’t kneel with the masses,
I won’t be told my fate,
By people who hijack tragedy,
To perpetuate their hate.

Don’t you shout Black Lives Matter,
Whilst running through the streets,
When your people are burning Foot Locker,
Stealing Nikes for their feet.

Don’t dance on The Cenotaph,
Like it’s Carnival or Mardi Gras,
That sacred granite edifice,
Marks people who died in war.

How dare you besiege Number 10,
This isn’t even our fight,
If you want to go and protest,
Get a 4,000 mile flight.

Social distancing flouted,
Police punched in the face,
Missiles hurled at Downing Street.,
This isn’t about race.

It’s rent-a-mob and anarchists,
Versus police led by lambs,
They just stand there and take it,
Lefty Cressida tied their hands.

Meanwhile America’s burning,
It’s a tragedy we all agree,
That George Floyd lost his life,
For all the world to see.

Justice must take its course,
The cop has lost his job,
Now he faces twelve good and true,
Not a braying mob.

So Monday I won’t be kneeling,
I won’t even bow my head,
Because someone I don’t even know,
Has wound up dead.

An armed robber and a felon,
In and out of jail,
As a model citizen,
He was a total fail.

I’ll weep for whom I choose to,
I’ll say where and when,
Not because a lifelong offender,
Bought it in the end.

I don’t condone the officers,
They rightly face the wrath,
But ask me to kneel for a criminal?
Don’t make me laugh.

You can keep your lefty rhetoric,
Your dismantling of our state,
It’s BLM not Middle England,
That’s peddling the hate.

[alphorn] 08/6/2020 12:17

More U turns than an alpine pass. UK quarantine rules came into force this morning.

Brits 'WILL be able to go on European holidays in July with no quarantine': Boris Johnson wants to agree a cross-EU exemption so travellers won't have to isolate for 14 days at either end.

[bbalanjones] 08/6/2020 11:54

Human on Human violence truly does not recognise any borders, beliefs or other differences. . . . .and the recorded 'history' of such events is usually by the 'winners'.

[bbalanjones] 08/6/2020 11:35

How long before the discussion widens to the roots of slavery in general?

"In the Deuteronomic Code, captives obtained through warfare become slaves, as long as Israelites were not among the victims; the Deuteronomic and Exodus Codes institute the death penalty for the crime of kidnapping Israelite or any other man to enslave them. The Code appears to require enslaving the people of cities who surrender during wartime, excepting the cities of six nearby tribes which it requires be destroyed without offer of surrender."

Following on . . . What about the Romans . .conquer, . . enslave . . .incorporate into the "Empire" (hmmmm . .a bit like our Empire?). Then came the Normans . . . it was only later that we started buying slaves off of the Arabs in Africa. How many relics are we going to destroy?

[grahamite2] 08/6/2020 11:26

GeckotheGlorious8 Jun '20 - 11:01 - 306718 of 306719
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Cheshire pete
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"Breakdown of law and order...frightening. Mob rule"

Nothing compared to what is coming imo.

If the police response to mob violence is to run away, or even to get on their knees in supplication, then yes, we can expect more of this, and worse.

[geckotheglorious] 08/6/2020 11:03

Alphorn8
Post 306714
"EU fisheries panic: Staggering amount bloc could lose post-Brexit revealed"

What's the paper it is in got to do with it?
Will they or will they not lose massively post Brexit if their current unfettered access is cancelled???