Flowgroup Plc Share Discussion Threads

[fox you] 07/3/2015 09:26

With the weather really warming up and sales of the boiler hardly taking off, all I see is bad news for this SP

However, six months down the road will be a real test and ino the share price could either steady at 10p or 32p.

The boilier is fundamentally flawed, EG

The 1800 pounds installation - FFS you can get a combi for 1400, supply, fit and 5/7 yr warranty.

Flow boiler meak warranty of 2 yrs

Flow bolier no hot water

THE BIGGEST FLAW - YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BOILER ON ALMOST FULL SWING TO GENERATE ELECTRIC - IMAGINE LIVING IN THE MIDLANDS AND SOUTHWARDS OF THE UK - JUNE, JULY, AUGUST AND PARTS OF MAY, AND SEPTEMBER, BOILING HOT DAYS, SO YOU WILL HAVE THE BOILER ON, SWEATING, MAKING ELECTRIC BUT WASTING GAS TO HEAT RADIATORS THAT YOU DONT NEED TO HEAT.

March 7th 2015 - 19C in direct sun in London - no heating - lol

I rest my case of 10p

As always, the choice is yours should you decided to sell, buy or hold.


Fox You - and btw, I'm not just good at predicting some SP's but what kind of C will post immediately after this post.

[cutlosses] 06/3/2015 22:23

It's not OCD it's CDO! In alphabetical order - as it should be!!!!!

[fox you] 06/3/2015 18:34

We will all see six months down the road if this share price is overpriced or what.
Indeed, a real product that works.
Sadly, many shortfalls.
ATB

Fox

[staverly] 06/3/2015 18:03

Duplicate in error

[staverly] 06/3/2015 17:57

Investoree: Flows business model is totally asymmetric to the one PV early adopters bought into. The cost+ deal with Jabil ensures that consumers unlikely to benefit financially if/when boiler sales gain traction. The likely tinkering of the FIT, already pitched at an unexciting level (unlike original PV), additionally negates prevarication. Can't see any justification for your argument other than Flow boiler may not pass muster, which BTW i doubt will be the case.

[fox you] 06/3/2015 17:00

Looking very positive as sP up and markets down

Great stuff

LOL

[jscowi] 06/3/2015 13:37

Here is the link Cyberbub, taken from LSE thread:-

hxxp://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipswich_based_boiler_firm_flow_energy_lands_everline_future_50_title_1_3980321

[larry335] 06/3/2015 12:13

Thanks grandwood
direct link to the webinar.


Mentions the finance deal route to market starting around 19 minutes in.

[investoree] 06/3/2015 11:44

uppompeii Looks like I transferred from OVO to First Utility at just the right time. I also used Topcashback to get another £52.50 cashback from First Utility as a welcome present and await the 3% interest being paid by OVO when they eventually repay my £700 account credit back to me when the meter readings provided have been fully validated (whatever that means).

Also had British Gas attend to discuss installing a new CHP boiler and was informed that the Baxi Ecogen is no longer being promoted by them and there contract has been cancelled due to numerous boiler faults.

I was going to compare Flows boiler with the Baxi Ecogen but will wait for a few months to see how the reliability of the Flow boiler pans out and also how quickly the price reduces towards the £2,000 price they have muted.

Having been an early adopter of PV solar and paid £18,000 for a 4kWh system I am in no hurry to repeat the mistake in being an early adopter of CHP boiler technology.

[cyberbub] 06/3/2015 11:42

I gather that Flow have also won an award for "Technical disruptor company 2015" ?

[grandwood] 06/3/2015 11:11

(at least one mention of Flow)


(Both Flow and Jabil presented at July 2014 summit - 2nd link)


(Interesting article about Energetix in sample newsletter from 2012 and discussion of "no upfront cost" buisiness model about 20 mins into webinar)

[fox you] 05/3/2015 20:11

A balanced view from the Telegraph re Flow Gruop Boiler:
See link below for the full article.
Edited version.

Flow Boiler:
The technology also costs thousands of pounds to install and run. Here energy experts give their verdict on the new boiler.
Not every home will save £500 with the boiler, which contains a generator powered by a liquid that circulates inside.

Only homes with the highest gas consumption will save on energy costs, according to figures produced for Telegraph Money. - twice the amount used by the average home - to produce the £500 saving.

This is the kind of consumption clocked up by a family of five who are at home all day. This "high consumption" household will generally have heating and appliances on all day, and use the washing machine daily.

Variable tariffs are significantly more expensive than fixed tariffs – with £200 between the E.On tariff and the cheapest fixed deal – so Flow customers may be overpaying compared with the cheapest tariffs.

The Telegraph's home troubleshooter, said the boiler was "unknown technology" that should be approached with caution.
"Don't be a guinea pig unless you are enthusiastic about being green," he said. "This is untried on a large scale. I would want to wait and see if two or three thousand people have used it, and find out how it performs and if it's reliable."

Mr Howell added that new boilers tended to require expensive repairs after five years. "My advice to anybody is to stick with the heating system you have got, unless you can repay any installation costs over five years through energy savings."




Fox You - you decide if to hold, sell or buy!!

Fox You!!

[larry335] 05/3/2015 19:38

Oil price up? Not by much.



The recent drop in oil price has meant that some wells are being (temporarily?)plugged because they are not cost effective at this low barrel price.
Notice the drop in fuel price at the pumps the last few months?

Lower cost wells e.g. in middle east are fine. They can maintain low barrel price, still make profits but squeeze out competitors from higher price wells.

[uppompeii] 05/3/2015 19:00

On a side note, OVO have just hiked their tariffs, electric by over 5%, gas nearly 10% - rang to ask why as my fixed was due to expire and when I looked Sunday it was significantly cheaper - apparently oil has gone up. Jeez, they don't hang about do they?!!

[greenday] 05/3/2015 18:47

I think anybody who excepts an installation without having a meter installed to track the energy produced must be out of their head. indeed it is has to be in the interest of parties to have this in place, if you don't have Transparency of usage/export you create doubt, or in other words grounds for dispute by any of the parties,

[fox you] 05/3/2015 17:21

LOL

Fox You

[larry335] 05/3/2015 15:36

Exactly...
But if it is not monitored/measured (with the export meter), the assumption is made that only 50% is used directly, and the other 50% the customer only gets the export tariff for energy they paid gas rate to generate.
I don't think this matters initially for the launch boiler deal (because the finance plan guarantees the payback) but after 5 years if the user does not have an authorized way of checking where the generated electricity is actually going the user may be missing out on spark gap savings (replaced with export tariff) and the energy supplier gets the saving instead...

[staverly] 05/3/2015 14:38

L335 Dont forget that unlike PV where you are at the mercy of the heavens, you have 100% control when you fire the boiler ... so customers likely to sweat most of the lecci produced, me thinks