Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Flowgroup Plc LSE:FLOW London Ordinary Share GB00B19H7076 ORD 0.1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  +0.00p +0.00% 0.435p 0.42p 0.45p 0.435p 0.435p 0.435p 1,081,067 08:00:00
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Electronic & Electrical Equipment 98.8 -45.8 -14.1 - 6.19

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
09/1/2018
13:53
Market Cap now about £26/customer - based om £6.5m Market Cap and 250K customers. More realistically, with debt of around £45m you would need to pay £180 a customer - which doesn't seem expensive given that a customer generates over a £1000pa in revenue. So... why are these guys not subject to a bid?
trader2
22/12/2017
21:26
This will be one of the first companies to go bust in 2018
highasakite
22/12/2017
19:06
You're right - loan note holders have some preferential protection. The sequence (I think) is secured creditors (e.g. loans secured on company property or other fixed assets), fixed and floating charge creditors (as specified in loan agreements), preferential creditors (e.g. staff), unsecured / trade creditors and finally shareholders. I suppose it all hinges on the exact terms of the loan agreement. I'm off now for a few days, have a good Christmas.. Good luck to holders - for the rest of us lets hope we (or more specifically "I") make better decisions in 2018.
zulu_principle
22/12/2017
15:20
Think loan note holders have certain advantages when things go wrong, as in first in the queue but they convert at whatever was agreed ( could be a discount but not normally current market price as I understand this. If the share price rises they take the shares if not they take repayments.
entropy22
22/12/2017
12:35
Prompted by this news to look in here. So the Stiffler's finally gone - phew - not before time either. Can't help thinking a quick sale to Shell might be the best outcome for shareholders... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42441416 Anyway, Merry Christmas to all holders - let's hope next year proves better than this one!
supernumerary
22/12/2017
08:07
Unless specifically stated in the agreement conversion would take place at the current market price. Existing shareholders (possibly including themselves - unless they were just providers of loan capital) would be very heavily diluted and would be easily outvoted by whatever the new share owners decided to put to an EGM. No point demanding interest payments / penalties from a company that's already bust - you just add to the outstanding creditors list and get 5p in the £ (or whatever). More likely to have taken a charge over specific assets in return for agreeing to make the loan. If playing a longer game a loan provider would simply want to take control of the business via a massive share dilution and merge the company with other assets already under their control. That's my understanding - happy to debate if anyone disagrees.
zulu_principle
21/12/2017
23:00
The institutional investors here can essentially wait until the company runs out of working capital before deciding whether to convert their loans at virtually zero per share and wipe out the remaining shareholders......Thought they could only convert at the original offer price or demand interest payments . And by wiping out shareholders they'd be wiping themselves out as they bought shares too.
entropy22
21/12/2017
21:56
Dont flow have some kind of deal with shell? They brought first utility today and could buy this for peanuts
rolo7
21/12/2017
15:50
This company stinks. Band together and inform the LSE the past two or three years have been nothing short of stealing investors money in my opinion
sooty snipes
21/12/2017
09:54
Trader2, Zulu, Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
lunanlodge
21/12/2017
09:03
The shares are essentially being soaked up by the market makers and aren’t necessarily being acquired by the institutions. Market makers have an obligation to buy shares in the companies they deal in at their stated prices. If they have too many / too few shares in a given company they accordingly walk the price down or up in an attempt to bring their holdings back into an acceptable state of balance. “A market maker is a broker that assumes the risk of holding a certain number of shares of a particular security in order to facilitate the trading of that security in order to keep the financial markets liquid. If investors are looking to sell a security market makers continue to purchase that security until all sellers are satisfied. Conversely, if investors are buying a security, market makers continue to sell that security until all orders are filled. Market makers, therefore, satisfy the supply and demand of the financial markets and keep securities changing hands. All market makers are compensated for the risk of holding assets by stating a buy / sell spread on each security that they cover.” Worth bearing in mind the circa 5 million net sales / uncertains from yesterday would only have cost the FLOW market makers £25k between them – small change. The institutional investors here can essentially wait until the company runs out of working capital before deciding whether to convert their loans at virtually zero per share and wipe out the remaining shareholders.
zulu_principle
21/12/2017
08:40
Reasons to sell as above. Reasons to buy: 250K customers, institutions have stuck with them, simplified new business model, new BOD that have credible backgrounds.
trader2
21/12/2017
00:54
8.3mil shares traded today. For every sell there is a buy. Can anyone tell me who would be the buyer and why? I think the institutional investors are clawing back their money but I fail to understand how.
lunanlodge
19/12/2017
15:24
Stop-lossed out for the second time (when will I ever learn)!!! Still a trickle of new customers on TrustPilot but lousy reviews concerning large monthly payment price hikes, ignored or incorrectly estimated meter readings, late demands for money, etc, etc: hxxps://uk.trustpilot.com/review/flowenergy.uk.com Still no director / chairman buys - smells very bad for shareholders but could be good for loan-providers. Back into WEY to try and recover some credibility. So long and thanks for all the fish.
zulu_principle
11/12/2017
16:02
They are all well over notifiable levels. There would have been RNS's had there been sales.
trader2
11/12/2017
13:49
Trader2 Institutions could be out and in on a daily basis recouping their money. Gotta be a plus for them. Lotta trades going on :)
lunanlodge
11/12/2017
09:13
See a note on their site dated 30/11/17 that 41.78% of their outstanding holding is with institutions that have stuck by them through the turbulence. Gotta be a plus point.
trader2
30/11/2017
15:29
If there is a silver lining it's that tw*t losing a load of dosh on the last fundraise. Doesn't make up for the milking of the company over the last few years though. The c*nt should be investigated and put in prison in my opinion
sooty snipes
30/11/2017
11:38
Stiff dumping
rumobejo
30/11/2017
09:37
Might be a bit premature but back in this morning for a small stake of 148k shares at .775p. Hopefully the start of rebuilding a decent holding. Generally positive news - the person responsible for past disasters gone and a sensible decision taken to consolidate the business before going forward. TrustPilot reviews also a tiny bit more positive so hopefully extra effort being put in to sorting out customer retention problems asap. A bit worried though with results being "broadly in line" (i.e. "a little under but not enough to justify a profit warning"). What we really need now is news that Alan Lovell has backed his Board's strategy by burying a decent number of shares for himself.
zulu_principle
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