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Share Name Share Symbol Market Type Share ISIN Share Description
Air Partner Plc LSE:AIR London Ordinary Share GB00BD736828 ORD 1P
  Price Change % Change Share Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Shares Traded Last Trade
  1.50 1.61% 94.70 93.20 96.20 96.60 93.00 94.00 465,711 16:35:20
Industry Sector Turnover (m) Profit (m) EPS - Basic PE Ratio Market Cap (m)
Travel & Leisure 66.7 0.9 0.6 157.8 60

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03/7/2020
19:24
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qs99
03/7/2020
18:38
Fair comment on your part too. We all want the same thing for AIR, i.e. success. Hopefully the new run-rate for profits is higher than in the past - even if less than currently. The CEO spent a large part of the shareholder update video talking about paying down debt, which I suspect was the real reason for the placing - growth opportunities being the fluff. Once the business settles down then I would hope they would take a closer look at the cash levels - and distribute some to us shareholders! There is a major difference between the cost of equity and debt for AIR currently. Onwards and upwards (hopefully!).
onthemarblecliffs
03/7/2020
11:11
haha, fair point, it is not all about the recruits/new offices as you say, I was merely addressing the point you made. The placing said: "The Directors have been encouraged by this strong trading performance, and believe the Company is well placed to continue capturing new business opportunities resulting from the impact of COVID-19. Accordingly, the Directors believe it is prudent to strengthen the Company's balance sheet, enabling the repayment of the debt taken on at the time of the acquisition of Redline Worldwide Limited in December 2019 and enabling the Company to capitalise on new opportunities arising from COVID-19 that will help drive organic growth, such as: -- Significant government and commercial work; -- Attraction of key talent with books of business across the air charter industry; and -- Opening new office locations, in geographies where the market fundamentals are strong" So to strengthen the balance sheet post deal as well as the new offices/talent. So as I have said, they need to show they are doing those 3 bullet points, but maybe the office opening and teams will only take (say) £500k of that as you point out above, strengthening the balance sheet may enable it to bid competitively on work and ensure those govt/commercials don't think they are too weak to take it on? Again, we won't know until they start announcing these things which they will need to do over coming months to maintain credibility IMO.... given the EBITDA it is making however, you do wonder why it is not chucking off more cash to cope with all this....let's hope management haven't awarded themselves some big FO bonuses or something!! DYOR and good weekend QS99
qs99
03/7/2020
10:28
QS99 - in answer to your question. I have not personally opened a new office (have you?) but I have worked in the brokerage industry for most of my career and know the transport industry - both asset heavy and asset light - very well. AIR is an asset-light broker - it is a collection of people with telephones at heart (although they do more than this). Where is the capital requirement? If you believe that this expansion is going to meaningful and costly then we will see a significant impact on the P&L, as the incremental costs will be staff related and thus expensed. Do you expect this? In my view this impact does not seem likely given AIR has opened 4 offices in the past 24 months (Dubai, LA, Houston, Singapore) with no need to raise capital - so how many offices is it going to open in the next 18 months that require all this capital? Transport brokers, whether air charter, ship or freight forwarders are always opening and closing offices: they don't and shouldn't need to raise capital to do so. Alternatively, let's take it from a bottom up perspective - a charter broker makes around £30-40,000 a year (check this on glassdoor etc). You need to hire an office head and that is perhaps £80-100,000 (the highest paid directors at the likes of Chapman Freeborn and Air Charter Service earn c.£170,000). In the period of expansion from 2019 to 2020 AIR's operations employees grew by a grand total of 28. Assuming 4-5 employees in each new location then you are looking at incremental direct staff costs of c.£250,000 per year, on top of which you need to add office rent, taxes, equipment etc. They raised £7m in the placing - to reiterate just how many offices are they planning on opening?
onthemarblecliffs
03/7/2020
09:20
And market looks like it is finally recognising this and moving it towards the £1 mark
qs99
03/7/2020
09:20
agreed Markie7. Have posted similar above. if we have any sniff of Q3/4 2nd wave, then AIR will be back into super huge profits again, not that it has stopped making v.v.good profits at the moment to be clear.....
qs99
03/7/2020
08:52
This is a play on the market, not the management. The key thesis is that air travel habits are permanently altered by covid. So far, this is working but it hasn't been going long. If AIR can deliver >£10m+ PBT year on year, it WILL get structurally revalued. Questions about management are one thing, but if this market is permanently shifting then either the company will grow accordingly or they will get taken out - either way all I see is upside. The market changing is the key factor.
markie7
03/7/2020
08:04
Sorry have you ever set up a new office or recruited new teams? They do take up cash flow as initially there is no revenue coming in the other end of the hopper. I agree that they need to show delivery/proof of such things, but don't say they have little initial cash outflows as they do.
qs99
02/7/2020
16:51
Good post OTMC, This is exactly my thoughts. The CEO (most important role in an organisation) lost credibility several years ago. Until there is a change at the top here, the share price will continue to be impacted.. Additional talk of the placing funding organic growth (government contracts/talented staff/new offices etc) is just talk/spin. As such have little initial cash outflows..
haywards26
02/7/2020
16:37
Encouraging update in my view - although trading could become a lot tougher in H2 if underlying cargo volumes fall (as they are likely to do) and PPE traffic declines; and passenger volumes do not pick up (either due to customer concerns or government action). This makes it difficult to know what the true profit run rate of the business is - and whether the problems of the past are fixed or merely papered over by a benign trading environment. A new CEO would be encouraging - I still dislike the placing and his lack of take up: this may be a sign of impending exit. As for the rationale of the placing - AIR is an asset-light broker, expansion startup costs should not be material to its P&L (especially given some were undertaken last year). I remain hopeful this converts from a (profitable) value trade to an investment.
onthemarblecliffs
02/7/2020
15:50
Great numbers once again. They are smashing it out of the park this year.
studentinvestor13
02/7/2020
14:27
They talked of fund raising providing cash for: " -- Significant government and commercial work; -- Attraction of key talent with books of business across the air charter industry; and -- Opening new office locations, in geographies where the market fundamentals are strong." Vague to some degree, they need to show progress IMO over next 3 months in this area I'm not sure ALL the profits are deemed as "exceptional" and that is the point i'm trying to make, is this "exceptional" to some degree the new normal? Also worthwhile noting that early to May they made £7.5m, so June must have been £2.5m alone ffs to get to £10m 5 months PBT.....not saying that will be repeated, but if 6 months could get to near £12m, why could £20m not be on the cards for the full year? Biggest drag IMO is the history.....controls in place etc......so let's see DYOR
qs99
02/7/2020
13:49
I think 3 issues hold back the share price here. * Current management competence and city reputation following the accounting scandal and recent years trading performance/acquisitions. * A placing during a year of record profits - kinda sits strangely when no exact reason for funds was given (all a little vague). * Current high level of profits being classed as "exceptional" so not really underlying or recurring.. The test of time will see if the above are overcome or not. I do think the share price should be £1. But don't see the heady lands of £1.50 until the following; * Trading levels Aug onwards are known * Purpose of the recent placing proceeds are known - how invested etc
haywards26
02/7/2020
13:15
good post I agree. I think the travelling patterns of people will/have changed given this virus and possible future risks. If you can afford business class, why not get a few together and go with AIR? AIR will have built great / new relationships up during this period while others were struggling, enabling them to carry it all on in the future. let's see. Some sellers are out, understandable, but on the way up from c.20p, these have zoomed, then profit taking, then zoomed again, so as I (and others it seems) believe these still to be materially undervalued, I'm happy to have added today and will be patient, waiting for them to hit all time highs over the coming days, weeks, months!! DYOR Cheers QS99
qs99
02/7/2020
13:03
This is undervalued.I suppose that accounting affair stills affects sentiment but the shares should be well into three figures.The market is taking the current level of profitability as being 'exceptional' but it could prove to be a good deal more enduring than the current rating would suggest.
steeplejack
02/7/2020
11:05
Stepping up nicely.....personally expect to see this through a quid after that RNS....DYOR
qs99
02/7/2020
09:39
agreed. I see this as a £100m+ market cap company on these sorts of numbers and have placed my money where my moustache is! Management need to show their organic growth plans work, are delivered effectively IMO, but travelling habits have changed for good IMO given this pandemic....AIR will continue to benefit IMO.... DYOR cheers
qs99
02/7/2020
08:55
Interesting to see that John Lee has almost a 5% holding here now.
galeforce1
02/7/2020
08:34
I agree, which is what I said above for 2021....a signal for that would be encouraging....one for H2.... either way, am still in from the 30s, have added this morning...GLA
qs99
02/7/2020
08:33
The business always has "poor visibility" they have been saying that for years. But even going back to pre-Covid profits of £3m p.a. (and that was before the recent Redline acquisition) wouldn't warrant a fall in the share price with the current market cap of £50m.
valhamos
02/7/2020
08:33
They just raised money off shareholders in a placing - you can't give it straight back with the tax man taking his share - not very efficient. Does anyone agree that the CEO looks like he dyes his hair?
trident5
02/7/2020
08:20
Divi is cancelled this year, isnt it?
marmar80
02/7/2020
08:20
£57m for a business with say c.£15m net cash so c.£40m EV and £10m PBT in 5 months go figure.... divi would be nice, but probs not after a fund raise for organic growth.....so one to signal for 2021 I reckon
qs99
02/7/2020
08:07
Freight is returning to pre-Covid levels EXCL PPE which I presume means will continue to drive this division Group Charter continues to be good and sporting events travel now coming back so that is a plus Private Jets recovering US quicker than Europe, that to me is a plus Safety and Security encouraging rather than a big plus, but presume direction of travel is good. no-one expects the "uber" profits to stay for ever, but would like to interpret the words that say what you suggest vprt as I can only see freight mentioning pre-covid but excluding PPE? thanks mate QS99
qs99
02/7/2020
08:02
£10m is great. But they seem to be flagging a turning point now. When listening to the video or reading the RNS you need to keep the performance of each of the four business lines during the pandemic (some fantastic, some terrible) in mind, especially regarding the outlook - "returning to pre-covid levels" or "normalisation" are very bad news for some of these, even if those words might sound good to the general reader/listener. The virus is still causing havoc, though, so very hard to predict - poor visibility.
vprt
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