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[john henry] 30/3/2017 10:57

Hopefully 20p will hold as support.

[shavian] 30/3/2017 09:52

Lucky, great post. Who funds Masdar?

[timbo003] 30/3/2017 09:32

Participants in the recent Primary Bid placing for Vesarian (or those who wish they had participated), may be interested in the presentation given by Dave Mutton (CEO Primary Bid) at the Shares Magazine investor meeting last Thursday:

[superg1] 30/3/2017 09:28

Thermal gains for composites.

Due to reading various bits about there I thought thermal gains could be achieved just by adding multi-layer in but it's not as simple as that (no surprises there).

Potentially the best combo seems to be few layer and some multi-layer to bridge the gaps.

It doesn't need there, the typically you could have GNPs all lying flat in the same direction due to a process but better thermal conductivity can be achieved by cross stacking in all directions. `e.g. flat with an equal mix of vertical, it help with the heat transfer etc.

So with the knowledge that few layer is a potential enhancement feature with cross stacking I'll start to look into that more deeply. Logically the same would apply to electrical conductivity.

So while some may chuck a load of 100's of layers GNPs into a composite and call it enhanced, It may well be but it won't be the best out there. For conductivity in many cases efficiency of heat transfer is critical and highly desirable.

What the market lacks is graphene standards and companies with verifiable proof of performance.

[superg1] 30/3/2017 09:16

Cambridge graphene ink I have the answer and IMO it's. a transformational breakthrough.

I did post the other day about my suspicions but wanted to be sure of my facts before posting.

Going back to the original posts I tried to find graphene ink for sale and noted silver ink too.

EG (as in the post)

Graphene ink on sale on a site

Application
Formulated for Inkjet printing.
Curing Condition: 250-350°C, 20-30min

The silver ink I selected needs 250C to finish it off.

I suspected Cambridge ink news needed no such post treatment.

I can confirm it's an instant drying ink, being water based helps that.

So the Cambridge ink acquisition has 100 metres per minute capability, in standard printing press with no modifications, with no post print time consuming and cost increasing drying.

So not only is it cheaper than silver ink as in the case above it doesn't need high heat for set periods to complete the process.

A significant breakthrough in the conductive inks market I suggest and a point that won't go unnoticed by the majors in that sector.

[luckyorange] 30/3/2017 08:25

UOM doing more tests with Masdar on water desalination



Following on from the previous research started in January 2016

'The Masdar Institute of Science and Technology (Masdar City, Abu Dhabi) and The University of Manchester (Manchester, uK) have launched a research collaborative research program covering three projects in graphene and 2D materials. The three projects will focus on composites, sensors and membranes, which will be led by faculty members from both research institutions.

The projects will respectively explore the development of novel low-density graphene-based foams for various engineering applications, inkjet-printed graphene micro-sensors for energy and defense applications and graphene-enabled ion exchange membranes for desalination.

“Graphene has huge potential for applications in a large range of sectors, and we are delighted to be collaborating with The Masdar Institute of Science and Technology on these important areas of research,” said James Baker, Graphene business director for The University of Manchester. “The University of Manchester has more than 235 researchers working on graphene and 2D materials and many will now have the opportunity to further their research by working with Masdar. Our partnership with Masdar Institute is crucial to the commercialization of graphene and we look forward to seeing ground-breaking research and into developing exciting applications with potential industrial partners as a result of this activity.”

One project seeks to develop novel low-density graphene-based nanocomposite foams for engineering applications that include energy. The second project seeks to develop inexpensive fabrication methods for sensor devices that can operate in challenging environments often associated with high temperature energy and military applications. Other work aims to conduct a systematic study of the potential benefits of graphene-enabled ion exchange membranes for water desalination purposes.

Meanwhile, work is progressing on schedule for the £60 million Graphene Engineering Innovation Centre (GEIC) building being constructed as part of a collaboration between The University of Manchester and Masdar, and is set be completed by the end of 2017. The GEIC is partially funded by £15 million from the Higher Education Funding Council for England’s UK Research Partnership Investment Fund (UKRPIF), £5 million from the Innovate UK and by £30 million from Masdar.

The GEIC is expected to accelerate the arrival of graphene products in the marketplace. Commercialization of graphene research has already begun from projects associated with the University of Manchester’s National Graphene Institute, including graphene light-bulb and graphene RFID tags. Therefore, current research projects may ultimately be targets for commercialization in the GEIC when it is completed in 2017.

[superg1] 30/3/2017 08:25

I've been asking some questions and learning some more bits and pieces over the last 24 hours so will post a bit today on the things picked up on. So for those that do read the posts get the pro plus ready.

Here's one to start with and it was news to me.

Companies are obliged and directed by the nomad to monitor all BB sites and threads. Part of the reason is so the company can assess whether employees are in any way engaging on such thread which is against the rules. Also for any content that may not be public knowledge which may trigger an rns.

It was explained that the regulators are very hot on share price movements and over a certain level (not that high) the company gets a call to explain. The explanation can simply be "we realised news". It seems the regulation side don't check for why an share price moved they just ring and ask for an explanation.

Hence (apparently it's happened once on here) a company may be forced to release news as something has been found.

There may be a reason a company has not released news which in some case can be the nomad saying, no need doesn't fit the criteria. But then when we find it then it can mean an rns has to be completed and it can cause a bit of a scramble.

I've experienced that on other shares before, finding info, posting and then an rns appears.

If you have noted other posts I have said I have found things that are not public knowledge but publicly available.

EG I found Nanene well before it was news and a related web address ready to go. Trademarks have a 2 month registration period. So if I start posting about the find we all think way hey Nanene is on the way but the registration office may say "can't use that one". So that creates a load of info and posting which is irrelevant and a headache for the company.

Hence when I found something recently it's not obvious but the search I used took me to it. I think it's a very important part of what VRS are in. So I'll be keeping an eye on that for any definitive info to appear and when it does I'll ask again.

BTW

When I sent the info to VRS they didn't know what I was looking at had been put on the web. It's out of their control so it wasn't them.

So in short active researchers can be in a pain in the backside to nomads. I have my opinion re those have seen failure to address what to me is obviously false information on some companies. I think they are more a hindrance than a help with total failures to protect investors by not assessing what companies out in news in some cases.

It's a reason why imo some should go to the main market, they don't have that hindrance but then have higher liability but with this company they don't seem to know how to lie and play city games, quite the opposite.

[phoenixs] 29/3/2017 11:43

I have quite a lot of these now but I am still looking to add. If the price dips and/or good rns which adds confirmation to and reinforces what I already believe about RNS.

[rheumking] 29/3/2017 10:32

I have dipped my toes in with a small investment and am now going to add to that as I like what I seeThere are lots of AIM companies that promise great things and turn out to have feet of clay but this has real potential so can see myself adding more here on a regular basisJust shame I can't get to the investor show

[john henry] 29/3/2017 10:22

expecting the share price to test the 25-26p area, however finding a lot of resistance around 23-24p the past few days.May need to consolidate around the low 20s

[handygandhi] 29/3/2017 09:27

I think he should stick to what he does best . . . . . .
making pickle. :-}

[shavian] 29/3/2017 08:20

Point taken Lucky. I have great admiration for the man in many ways, but not all. I too would be delighted to see him espouse graphene as a theme, but personally I would not like to see him anywhere near the VRS share register, let alone the company itself. We are doing fine without him.

[luckyorange] 29/3/2017 08:02

Doesn't matter whether Richard Branson jumps on the bandwagon or understands it, when he speaks people listen and it would be fair to say that he knows how to make a profit!

He can talk about graphene as much as he likes as far as I am concerned, in fact I hope it's his main focus over the next twelve months ;-)

(no good being precious about it , the world is full of people and companies who need to be led to things that are good for them, can improve their lifestyle and are good for the planet)

[superg1] 29/3/2017 07:52

That's the trouble and beauty of graphene it goes into so many things with and new uses found virtually daily. The market potential is phenomenal and unlike anything seen for a long time. It's likely to turn out to be the most versatile product on the planet.


While doing research on other shares what I used to do was type in key words and check the previous 24 hrs. If no hits then I'd expand that to week then a month and so on to see what I may have missed.

For 24hrs on Google I have 21 pages to sift through for graphene. For the last hour 5 pages.

That's the problem there is so much going on it's impossible for an individual to keep up.

Some say what about this company and that company. The fact is it seems 99% plus of 'graphene' claims out there consist of the multilayer running into 100's of layers of graphene.

That type of product it seems is fine for things like thermal gains but it is not proven to do anything for strength.

Strength is what will see advances in the light-weighting which is a very big market.

In the case of Richard Branson he is either misquoted or doesn't understand. I took the report to suggest he thinks planes parts can be made from pure graphene, when in fact light-weighting is far more simple than that via enhanced composites. Composites that already being used in planes to reduce their weight as in the article. The answer is graphene.

Perhaps he should pop to the investor show and learn a bit more about it. :-)

Due to the vast array of uses and monster market for graphene in the future who cares who is doing what. All I know is VRS are already in the game of few layer and look like the world lead. They are not trying to get in on an established market they are leading the way.

[shavian] 29/3/2017 07:48

Interesting words from Branson the bearded wonder. Firstly I note that he appears to be claiming credit for persuading Boeing and Airbus to introduce carbon fibre to airframe technology. You'll find that their boffins were working on it years before he came along: for all his drive and talent, he's a great one for jumping on bandwagons. Give me Dyson any day.

Secondly he's already behind the times. By the time the 797 is entirely built of Nanene, it will be powered by electric engines, its wing tanks full of Vanadium Redox electrolyte (see the RED thread for this tech), enabled by the Nanene membranes in the flow engines. If you think I'm joking, follow this link:



And this one:



These guys have already signed up easyjet as supporters and presented at Silicon Valley's prestigious Y Co-ordinator show this month.

[luckyorange] 29/3/2017 07:34

Andre Geim speaking at this one.

'BARCELONA – A lightweight crash helmet that avoids head injuries because of its ability to evenly dissipate the force of an impact, transparent tattoos acting as body biosensors or spectrometers able to detect if fruit (or anything else) is damaged inside, are some of the applications showcased at the Graphene Conference 2017 that opened in Barcelona’s International Convention center on Tuesday'

[luckyorange] 29/3/2017 07:28

:-) superg had already posted it, so many links posted that people don't read them unless you get the headliner in superg!

If Richard Branson is bringing it to the fore then a lot of people will be looking, maybe he will start a graphene company?

[luckyorange] 28/3/2017 22:30

'Sir Richard Branson has raised the prospect of planes being made entirely from the so-called wonder material graphene within 10 years, as the airline industry battles a 50pc increase in fuel in the last 12 months, sparking a desperate need for ever lighter fleets.'

[superg1] 28/3/2017 18:38

An Apple patent where the graphene used is inkjet printed graphene.

All to do with printed circuits.



BACKGROUND
[0001]
This relates generally to structures for electronic devices such as input-output connectors and, more particularly, to structures with graphene signal paths.
[0002]
Electronic devices often include input-output connectors and other structures that are formed from molded plastic parts. It can be challenging to route signals within these molded plastic parts. Some connectors form signal paths using stamped sheet metal. Stamped sheet metal structures may, however, be bulky. Metal can be deposited using physical vapor deposition techniques, but metal coatings that are formed in this way may not be conformal and may be overly thick.
[0003]
It would therefore be desirable to be able to form improved structures for electronic devices such as molded plastic structures for input-output connectors or other device structures.

Graphene traces may be deposited using inkjet printing techniques or other deposition and patterning techniques. During inkjet printing, graphene may be patterned to form signal lines on a connector structure, printed circuit, or other structure, contacts on a printed circuit board or other structure, connector contacts on a connector structure, ground structures on a connector, printed circuit, or other structure, or other conductive structures.


As the Vox podcast guy says. Whatever the question is Graphene is the answer.

[superg1] 28/3/2017 18:10

Decent market there

[superg1] 28/3/2017 09:31

It's also great to have 3 potentially lucrative new tech businesses that are not resource or capital intensive. Copper foam heat sinks, GNPs/GO/RGO and graphene ink.

The only reason they would need capital expenditure is due to orders. They are not high cost set ups with a mass of wages to be paid while they try to be build. Orders drive the growth and even then it seems it's not high cost. We know with VRS if they spend money to expand it's due to demand and orders not hope and hype.

Some sectors criticise the spend on graphene in the UK the NGI and the new centre being built but the fact is the likes of VRS have access to that equipment which they simply could not afford. It provided and still provides the cog for start ups to be in the sector.

[phoenixs] 28/3/2017 09:19

It is refreshing to have a CEO who does not make statements unless the company has achieved something. So often one hears of CEOs who come out with totally exaggerated statements or even down right lies so as to pump up their stock only so as to dump some of their stock.

[superg1] 28/3/2017 08:35

Just thinking on those comments.

VRS kept low key while they sorted out the business side of the GNPs then having them tested through the NGI in composites.

The CEO at the open day and since has said while on paper it all worked they wanted proof before pushing on with the business.

Once the proof came they sorted a brand name and launch and have set up the options to include graphene in plastics, PEEK/PAEK and GNPs sales to end users.

Then came the grape hen ink side which is a great acquisition.

At the event the CEO did say now comes the switch to delivery of what they have but as you can see sales have been made before they could name either product.

Sales can take time especially for larger orders.