Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[superg1] 28/3/2017 08:17

Considering at some point they may have been inside it would be interesting to know if the selling happened in that period. We'll never know I suspect but what a coincidence that they aggressively sold in the run up to the placing which virtually on it's own kicked the share price back around 30%.

If you don't know much about VRS then the investor show is the perfect place to see what it's all about and I suspect you will impressed by what VRS have via their tech and it's potential. But then that's probably why you are here in the first place.

[darkdogs] 28/3/2017 07:54

Superg1, I am no fan of any ii s who short a company when they have knowledge of an upcoming placing, good on Neil for using primarybid as it certainly curtailed that.

[luckyorange] 28/3/2017 07:54

Long or short they don't care ! ' The Absolute Equity Fund is a fundamental equity long/short strategy which aims to achieve a positive absolute return for investors over rolling 36 month periods, primarily through investment in UK and global equities'

[superg1] 28/3/2017 07:44

Dark

As pointed out before there is more to it than can be posted. But then there are a lot of investors that like to be able to speak to the CEOs at such events, that's why this one, procative and others run such events.

On the spend more time, yes he has little time but that's because he doesn't have a team of 25ish around him like AGM who are just serious revenue sappers providing very little in return, so he is looking after your investment.

As posted in recent times Imo he should now employ some support and such questions were asked recently at that investor event, it's in hand apparently.

But looking at the flip side what about instis too when you have the likes of Crawford offering up cash.

In the 10p raise I note he got the lion's share. Then what he did was aggressively sell the millions of shares days before this fund raise and rumour has it he tried to get a lion's share gain at significant discount.

That's not a supporting fund that's guy looking to manipulate the share price and cash in with no interest at all in the company, Darwin like.

So if ever you see Crawford with a discounted holding in any share guess what will happen as your share gets to fund raise time.

[handygandhi] 28/3/2017 07:18

A graphene heat sink!

[darkdogs] 28/3/2017 07:17

I am happy with my investment here, would just prefer Neil (who admits there are not enough hours in the day) to concentrate on future customers (if they are at investor shows thats fine) rather than prospective investors (he has investors already) or even spend it with his family. Just do not see the point in inflating the price purely on investor demand rather than sales.
No argument wanted or intended :)

[luckyorange] 28/3/2017 07:10

I think that it was a good question to ask superg because it makes you question your own reasons for investing, which I did and I'm comfortable with the investment :=)

[superg1] 28/3/2017 07:01

Darkdogs

You probably have that view as generally that's what happens on these threads.

I'm not sure who you are angling the pump at the city or the thread.

I don't spend 100's of hours pulling up all the research data for a pump. Pumping is easy you just flood the various threads with, golden tickets, ten bagger and the complete nonsense many post.

I find it absolutely absurd that you are have committed a serious slice of your investment into something you don't understand and have as a pump, although I appreciate many do that. I think many shares are a hype pump she and for that reason I won't go near them, they are doomed as far as I'm concerned.

But on top of that you say

"Forgive my ignorance but what is the aim of the ceo popping up at all these investor shows?"

So you think it's a pump and wonder why CEO'S would engage to tell investors about their company which is this case would clearly demonstrate it's not a pump.

So if you can't be bothered to do your own research, think threads are pump options and think talking to the CEO is waste of time, what basis is that to invest your money on because all investment advice is to do your research.

[jointer13] 28/3/2017 05:35

terminator springs to mind.-.)

"a wonder material indeed"

[darkdogs] 28/3/2017 04:08

luckyorange refers to my comments in 3041

[theklf] 28/3/2017 00:26

Talga deal with BASF

[luckyorange] 27/3/2017 23:46

'but just seems like a pump exercise but to what end.'

Don't quite get that statement dd, what were you relating to?

Just need to see some orders and I did wonder with the share price movement today whether we will see an RNS which will explain the rise?

[superg1] 27/3/2017 21:08

Multi-millionaires do they as they run it, but that's not the complete picture.

On the research reports that come out (if you pay for them),

There is one just out

The Global Graphene Market 2017 Research report

The snippet shows it lists Granphenea AKA it's real name Grapehenea and XG Science, which is XG sciences.

They can't even get the names right.

[darkdogs] 27/3/2017 21:07

Unfortunately still can't get my head round it. Big fan and have a decent (for me) holding, but just seems like a pump exercise but to what end. Not trying to depress the price even though will be getting more end of month 😑

[superg1] 27/3/2017 20:30

I note 2D tech/VRS seem to be talking about energy storage at that nano event.

11:30 Theme 2: Nanotechnology for energy generation, distribution and storage.

2D Materials for Energy Storage and Generation – Craig Dawson – 2D Tech Ltd

[superg1] 27/3/2017 18:47

I like those events but that's from looking into and understanding a business rather than looking for a share price or hype share that may fly.

So it all depends if 'investors' just want to jump in and play a trend Imo or get to understand the potential of a company.

How can anyone work out the potential of a company without speaking to the company.

There is a lot of material information to be gained which either doesn't fit RNS regs, or is in the interest of the company not to disclose publicly.

Then you have the bits the Nomad doesn't include in news so imo and others then that's fair game to learn as if the nomad has pulled it or said no to news it must therefore not be sensitive. Equally they don't want us to hear it, that's why they say no to the news, not material, grey area as it fits their purpose.

Meanwhile we have mysterious volume and share price gains.

[superg1] 27/3/2017 18:35

The KLF

Momentus asked him to attend at short notice he didn't know it existed.

Such attendance on 1st April isn't just PI related, far from it.

[superg1] 27/3/2017 18:32

Darkdogs

The Momentus events one was because he was asked to attend and if you check twitter and the action since it's part because of inverters from city guys that way. Also note the current new interest form Vox markets.

The list is (from a previous post)

1st April

UK investor show



6th April

VRS chosen to present at this event. I note Williams advanced engineering are there too.



10th May Berlin

Idtechex event which is a big event the EU version of the US one. Vrs are there and the CEO is a speaker.

6th April is a selected to present event, so they have done well there.

"HiPerNano2017 is a forum for bringing together nanotechnology solution developers and end-users with engineering challenges to solve"

Idtechex is a similar type of event.

1st April will be the first investors event they have attended. Investors ask questions so it provides an opportunity to provide genuine information against all of the misinformation out there.

It's not often new products like this come along, so the typical gold, metals and commodities lot don't get any such issues we all know what gold and oil is about.

Far better to attract PIs and investors other than the David Crawford's of this world.

[theklf] 27/3/2017 18:06

I agree with the tenor of dd's question to an extent as I've raised questions about the low quality of the Momentous event previously. However there is a legitimate PI circuit that smaller company CEO's have to cultivate ( and UK Investor Show one of the biggest events in that) before they can graduate to the more professional Institutional Investor market. As an 'engineer' I think it's a worthwhile exercise for Neill to cut his teeth on the less high profile PI circuit before graduating to the II level. You could see it as his Karts/F3 training before graduating to F1 if you like.

Part of the job of establishing new technology especially if you are a 'unique' company is that as the trailblazer you have to proselytise for the Industry as well as your own Company. In addition to that in Tech adoption terms most of the 'textbooks' do focus on 'selling the sizzle, not the sausage' so all these marketing type events do have some legitimate value I think.

[darkdogs] 27/3/2017 17:49

Forgive my ignorance but what is the aim of the ceo popping up at all these investor shows? Trade shows I could understand as the audience are prospective clients. If we needed new money (another placing)I could understand it, but why entice new investors just to drive the price up, it will go up as and when orders are confirmed. Not sure how many existing shareholders will go but surely an invite to a site visit or forum to existing holders would do the trick

[axotyl] 27/3/2017 17:26

OK, thanks, guys.

[superg1] 27/3/2017 17:11

EG

on their site and about 5 seconds into reading

Producing graphene
Graphene is indeed very exciting, but producing it is not easy, especially if you are aiming towards high-quality sheets. Several companies are producing Graphene today in small volumes (most companies are using CVD based processes), and there's a lot of research going into developing new ways to mass produce the material in an affordable manner.

Most of the graphene produced today is used for R&D in Universities and companies. Some graphene based products are entering the market, but mass production of graphene hasn't been achieved yet.


Much of that is incorrect so don't be tempted Imo.

[superg1] 27/3/2017 17:03

axo

I wouldn't bother it will be full of hype just complied from a load of misinformation out there for the benefit of making some cash for the boys.

EG

That reel that's the company I emailed and they said they only had research and in house R and D capability but they do talk it up a lot.

I imagine AGM would be in their too with it's 1.6 tonnes per year. They rely on what companies say rather then what companies have.

Just my opinion having read many analyst reports in the past. It's all about making money not about furnishing you or I with accurate information.

A cheap option is to speak to the VRS CEO or the 2D tech staff. That would cost you a tenner entry at the investor show, plus you get a load of other CEOs thrown in for free.

Don't trust a thing the majority of them say though.

[rogerbridge] 27/3/2017 16:53

The microchip and computer made a huge difference to mankind and GDP. Graphene will have as much impact, if not more. Amazing!