Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[schmally] 08/1/2020 10:51

Pierre, It seems you must be a fairly new recruit to Team loggy and whilst I appreciate they may not be the best at what they do and guidance may be lacking, you're an amateur in comparison.

Even if I took you at face value, my response would be to not be such an idle bell*end and DYOR. After all, this thread contains everything you ever need to know. Unless you want to simply make an investment decision based on a summarised version from a faceless avatar.

As I said, VRS is not for you. No traditional valuation metrics in use here, just speculation and hype. I should know, I've lost money. Don't waste any more time on it. Escape from this board while you still can

[pierre oreilly] 08/1/2020 10:48

btw, thanks psh.

[pierre oreilly] 08/1/2020 10:45

9 recs for an arrogant and incorrect dismissal of a genuine post requesting genuine information.

My conclusion - a den of rampers, unconcerned with the underlying qualities of the company. (That wasn't my view 10 minutes ago btw).

Anyhow, this is one company i won't look further into, hence won't be posting here again, bye

[loglorry1] 08/1/2020 10:44

Pierre, dint listen to @schmally VRS is the best stock on AIM 😉

[bbmsionlypostafter] 08/1/2020 10:41

LOL, schmeggy is in full melt down over on the ramper thread as he runs himself ragged defending this pie in the sky from the International Shorting Conspiracy. Gonna end in tears for him, such is his unquestioning, unseeing blind love for VRS & NR.

[pierre oreilly] 08/1/2020 10:39

schmally, well 295 tells me your judgement is cack, so i'll ignore anything you may have to say.

And someone just posted you're a good poster - i'm beginning to question the judgement of people here.

Anyone looked into any of the criteria i use before investing?

[1teepee] 08/1/2020 10:38

Stop Deramping versarien please. It's fraud, remember;)

[schmally] 08/1/2020 10:34

Pierre,

That's one of the most transparent and lazy attempts I've seen at fishing for negative ammo.

Let me make it easy for you. VRS isn't for you, it's just a lifestyle AIM fraud with no sales and huge cash burn.

There we are, no need to waste any more time on it, so you free up time on the rest of your watch list now. It's ok, there's no need to thank me.

[loglorry1] 08/1/2020 10:33

"Please just be clear with your allegations rather than simply pushing continued insinuation."


Lol, but you said "multiple offers" clearly a lie. The only offer in an RNS has been the non-binding BIGT one which so far has not completed. Now you have claimed VRS are talking to lots of ppl. That's not an offer. Almost all small companies are in discussions with other companies.

[pshevlin] 08/1/2020 10:32

All of those Pierre.Just the cash needs a bit of a boost in about ten months.

[phoenixs] 08/1/2020 10:30

Great work Schmally. Much appreciated.

[schmally] 08/1/2020 10:27

Log, You can be as glib as you like, but as you know there have been plenty of RNSs regarding the various Chinese entities VRS are negotiating with. In addition, in the last AGM, Matt detailed the entities involved and the multiple opportunities.

Are you suggesting negotiations are not ongoing with multiple Chinese entities, or that Matt Walker and the VRS management team are lying?

Please just be clear with your allegations rather than simply pushing continued insinuation.

You have only one credible thing to challenge the VRS team with. Lack of sales to date. Fair enough, PI's can take that on board and simple decide whether, massive progress has been made towards significant future commercialisation or not.

You say no, we say yes.

The argument is dead until one side is proved correct in the months/years to come. You have nothing of any value other than to tell us what we already know regarding sales. Your other arguments are just baseless assumptions.

[loglorry1] 08/1/2020 10:21

@Club, @Schmally makes these claims but no such offer has been made otherwise an RNS would be required.

I suspect Neill may have filled his head with this stuff during some sort of private chat, or maybe he just made it up, but if that is true it's another huge red flag.

[festarlo12] 08/1/2020 09:55

eeltamer, even I have limits, it's not nice to make fun of someone losing money.

[bgt1] 08/1/2020 09:54

Yes he does as far as I'm aware

[schmally] 08/1/2020 09:52

Loggy: I think you'll find that VRS have received multiple offers from multiple Chinese provinces and entities, none of which have to date satisfied VRS or HMG requirements.

Neill was initially hijacked on his initial China visit with TV crews and high ranking officials shoving an attractive investment his way, in the false belief that they were dealing with a lifestyle business owner and expecting him to agree the first deal offered like the majority of cowboy AIM directors would normally do to make a quick buck.

To Neill's immense credit, he withstood the pressure, politely refused to enter into a binding agreement and immediately and sensibly took advice from HMG. From that point, respect from the Chinese increased and the competition for VRS from other Chinese entities ramped up, which resulted in the DIT secondees being brought in to provide valuable advice and to help manage risk and UK interests.

The other massive difference between NanoXplore's very narrow relationship with MartinRead, is that whilst they will now be dependant on and dictated to by MartinRead, with pressure to agree exclusivity agreements, VRS is still free of any third party influence and still evaluating multiple investment opportunities. To suggest otherwise is effectively suggesting that Matt Walker is lying and therefore party to potential fraud. Please feel free to level this accusation directly if you genuinely believe that Matt has deliberately mislead investors. I'm sure the VRS team and Matt will be only to happy to respond in kind.

NanoXplore seemingly negotiated from a position of weakness whilst VRS has negotiated from a position of strength. This has been recognised by DIT. Neill has confirmed any investment deal will be "Up to 15%" and if the deal threatens IP security or UK interests then they won't accept.

Another massive difference between the Chinese opportunity and NanoXplore, is that the entities VRS are negotiating with in China will not only supply funds to scale up production massively, but they will also drive multiple industries and businesses across multiple sectors to VRS' doorstep for the production of the materials required to help facilitate their huge Belt and Road infrastructure requirements.

The levels of security to protect the manufacturing process has also been explained to investors in great detail and all of it makes perfect common sense and is reasonably achievable. The Chinese may not like it, hence this is one area of negotiations that is proving difficult, but that illustrates the huge emphasis being placed on protection.

Chalk and cheese Twiggy!

I know where I'd rather have my money invested for the long term and it certainly isn't the one trick pony NanoXplore, who will effectively end up as a subsidiary business of Martin Read.

[superg1] 08/1/2020 09:37

BTW

The true picture behind the scenes right now is that there is very little stock to buy even major names offering just 1 and 2k around these prices, yet to sell there is plenty of demand.

They love the games and false entries of course.

[superg1] 08/1/2020 09:33

Roger

I was chatting to some city guys yesterday funnily enough on about the need to take legal action people like Kempster and co to stop their criminal behaviour.

The trouble is no one in the city has grip of it. They go for the easy wrist slapping stuff re MMs putting in false entries and the like which they monitor daily and have 'hotlines' where some people report it to them. I know I used to shat regular to one guy that was on the phone more or less daily getting MM first sales handed out.

Like the Tax man, easy money fining folk on late submissions, targeting the easy money of the relatively honest small businessman and ignoring the more difficult fraudulent crew.

[loglorry1] 08/1/2020 09:29

Didn't NR make a "promise", all be it a non binding one, that BIGT were to make up to 15% investment in VRS then sell his own shares into the rise? Not a million miles away from PET.