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[rogerbridge] 06/2/2019 23:11

Lovely to hear from you Scruitable.

[the fat controller] 06/2/2019 22:17

Does he need an HIA?

[the fat controller] 06/2/2019 22:16

Fest,
Robin McBride ( Wales rugby coward coach, and retired hooker) says he feels at home in Nice, on the French Riviera (where Wales have a training camp) as it reminds him of Llandudno. Surely not?!

[superg1] 06/2/2019 21:52

Just for the record but you won't get details here due to the numpties. The early Jan supply post the xmas break is as was suspected at the time. Funds dumping a large amount to Bego as the new year kicked off with fund managers back from the break.

I think it's highly likely that the same funds have dumped stock on the china news this week.

All 3 funds are now below what some PIs hold.

Not long now until it's all gone. Hopefully they have dumped a few 100k or more this week, 500k plus I hope.

With the level in play it's clearly and entire exit plan which has been suspected for some time.

Let's hope they are gone before something like the bigger part of the Aecom news kicks in. The less they get on selling the better.

[hattie1] 06/2/2019 20:04

Scrutable you are a joy

[woodpeckers] 06/2/2019 19:51

Scrutable, what a wonderful and generous offer! I think many of us could learn an awful lot from you...patience being one...only wish i was nearer, I'd be round with a cake in no time!

In fact, just read your last post yet again and I hope you don't mind but I'm going to repost and would encourage all holders/prospective holders to read it carefully again...

SCRUTABLE - 05 Feb 2019 - 16:23:56 - 58455 of 58548 VRS The world lead in real Graphene (Nanene) - VRS
superg

Now I can't see what I took the trouble to post, which is a shame. I will rephrase.

- I was making a serious and worthwhile point that one should not conflate the timescale used for breeding horses to win races - say (2-7)years from foaling to winning - with the time needed to build a breakthrough product from the beginnings of scientific awareness (as when Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov won the Prize), VRS will possibly beat all previous disruptors. It is streets ahead in the speed with which it is building intangible IP assets.

The pricing of Amazon and Ocado have shown, and Tesla probably will, that for years companies which disrupt global industries usually make no revenues, let alone a return on capital for very long stretches of time. It is infantile to expect a bio tech building up licensable IP to get a drug through stage 3 trials in less than 7 years.

OXB in genetic engineering, has just crossed the threshhold after 10 years, Ceres (CWR) also after 10 on its world beating steel fuel cell is still pre-commercial with six huge Japanese, Chinese,, EU and USA collaborations, but it has £75m cash in the bank from licences and investment by these collaborations. OXB attracted £40m, VRS could do as much and more. NR might be persuadable to meet with John Dawson of Oxford Biomedical. Their business models overlap in important ways

One should look at disruptors as building intangible assets. What accounting norms class as losses, the entrepreneur accumulates as potential IP - to license with milestones ,royalties, and finally - investment from collaborators who need to buttress their future liability for royalties with increasing capital value from the investment they have been able make from the inside. .

Noone would think of expecting an oil or gas driller, or lithium or any other miner to break into profit in less than ten years . Why should shareholders expect VRS to do more than is humanly possible?

As NR may may very well do

[scrutable] 06/2/2019 19:41

aintree775 Feb '19 - 19:42 - 58465

"You could probably learn a lot about good investing talking to the likes of Scrutable, especially over a pint or three in a cosy county pub, would be an interesting and productive Sunday afternoon...."

I am not too mobile at 91 and have banana fingers, but the marbles still roll around. I would happily spend an afternoon with those of good intent and common interest should they live or plan to holiday within easy reach of central Exeter, where I now live after 20 years of starting and running a successful packaging machinery business in Cologne and longer than that in the early days of digital printing in London. I have been very long retired, but remain absorbed by future change.

If you can reach me, I'm available with reasonable notice. Make sure I am still alive !







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[pshevlin] 06/2/2019 19:06

Just a hunch but if no-one knows that is all. I would have thought however that if there was no buyer we might have seen a more precipitous fall.

[owenga] 06/2/2019 19:02

The share price is dropping. What makes you think there is a buyer behind the scenes?

[ellissj] 06/2/2019 18:56

News story. Best ellis

"Government moves forward on advanced trials for self-driving vehicles"

A process is being developed to support advanced trials of automated vehicles.

Published 6 February 2019

[ellissj] 06/2/2019 18:54

Good point spike re neill meeting tomr. No idea what it might be about or the format ? Best ellis

edit : sounds most likely superg.

[superg1] 06/2/2019 18:52

Liam Fox would be my guess.

[ellissj] 06/2/2019 18:44

I wonder if graphinks could help with 5G photonics network? Better than that microwaved graphene i imagine ;) aimo. Best ellis

"wonder material graphene connects to a 5g network, coffee machines and self-driving cars."

12Dec18

The extremely fast 5G data network will get its first christening in large cities. Author/source: Graphene Flagship

"The extremely fast 5G network is vital to the automated industry as well as the Internet of Things, such as self-driving cars. For devices to be able to cope with increased data flows, the fleet connected to the Internet of Things must also be updated accordingly. For about ten years, graphene has been the key technology for taking electronic devices into the new era.

A scientific article published recently in Nature Reviews Materials analyses the possibilities of using graphene in the future “world of the Internet of Things”. The largest scientific project in the European Union – the ten-year technology partnership Graphene Flagshipwith a budget of one billion euros – is working towards making the 5G communications network a reality. Many scientific centres and companies such as Nokia and Ericsson are working towards realising the applications of graphene described for a long time as a wonder material. Within a partnership programme, scientists at the University of Tartu are also creating a mobile phone sensor that is less than a square millimetre in size, which will warn its users when they are in an environment with polluted air.

It is thought that by 2020 there will be more than 12 billion devices in the world with an Internet connection: from cars to coffee machines. The next generation data transfer is already largely occurring with the help of photonics (instead of the current electronics) or light, and graphene is one of the key materials here. With the help of graphene, it is possible to make our devices compatible with the necessary requirements for using a 5G network, enabling ultra-fast data transfer and reducing energy use at the same.

Graphene sensor. Author: Lauri Kulpsoo/University of Tartu

“Graphene is a one atom thick carbon material. It can be imagined as if drawing a line on a paper with a pencil and graphene sheets being left behind”, explained Raivo Jaaniso, a senior research fellow of materials science and applied physics at the University of Tartu participating in the project.

In fact, carbon is an ideal base material for binding various functional molecules. These bonded extra molecules are what make the ordinary graphene layer a sensitive sensor which can detect various substances in the air starting from vehicles’ exhaust fumes to poisonous ammonia.

Within the big international 10-year graphene project, Estonians are promoting the activities of the health and environment package. In total, over one hundred parties are participating in the graphene project and the object of the project is to develop new products and services – graphene is such a universal material that there are no limits to its applications. An important aim is to improve people’s lives and health.

“Today, the biggest environment-based health risk comes from air pollution. If we had smart devices that could determine air quality, people would be much more aware of this and could see the air quality in their immediate location”, said Jaaniso excitedly."

'5G network and new-generation smart devices'

"The much-talked-of and long-awaited, ultra-fast 5G mobile standard enables data transfer rates of 100 Mbit/s in populated areas, which opens up new opportunities for residential consumers as well as industrial enterprises. Many services that are still not widespread due to deficiencies in the connection speed will become available for easy and fast usage such as a storage medium-free office (cloud service that is fast and easy to use), domestic appliances and industrial machines that can operate, be controlled and monitored in real-time, self-driving cars and other services controlled by artificial intelligence (AI). Smart City is a vision of the future which is being worked towards at present and which has a 5G network that is used by devices communicating with each other and being controlled by AI.

Even so, with 5G, it is not the benefits of the home users’ Internet of Things that are primarily being emphasised, but the possibilities opening up for industry: industrial automation and surveillance systems, live 360-degree video feeds, altimeters of airplanes and self-driving machines, security systems, positioning equipment, all kinds of sensors and other developments.

What are the obstacles that graphene solves?

“The data transfer capability limit of classic electronic devices and copper cables has been reached by now – the laws of physics do not allow more. Therefore, there is a need for completely new technologies”, explains Wolfgang Templ from the development centre of Nokia Networks in Germany. “And it is exactly the photonics replacing electronics and graphene as a new semiconductor material that are expected to be the breakthrough.”

“Our goal is to take optical data transmitters and receivers to a level which enables to transmit and receive ultra-high data volumes, that is, more than one terabyte in a second”, says Templ explaining the goals...."

[spike_1] 06/2/2019 18:30

Re Neill with Senior cabinet minister tomorrow:

Is it a meeting? or is it an 'event' (like the one yesterday with the Princess)?

".... I have a very busy week. Princess tomorrow, Luxembourg Wed, Senior Cabinet minister Thu and the playing rugby Fri and Sat hopefully, still life in the old dog yet.

Best wishes - Spike

[ellissj] 06/2/2019 18:18

According to this article (reposting) by midas manchester, graphene sensors could assist with the development of autonomous vehicles. Best ellis.

'5 ways graphene will revolutionise the car industry;

'Sensors'

"..As it is just one atom thick every atom is exposed to its environment allowing it detect changes easily. This property makes it perfect for use in self driving cars as the sensor will be able to detect the distance between itself and obstacles even in difficult weather conditions...."

[melf] 06/2/2019 18:16

Anyway back on to VRS business.....NR is meeting a senior cabinet minister tomorrow. Anyone got any thoughts?

[luminoso] 06/2/2019 17:45

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t remember any Government telling the opposition parties to shut up and fork off because they lost the election. Democracy is an ongoing discussion not a one off vote every few years. Free speech is ...well, free.

[pshevlin] 06/2/2019 17:34

Not a re-moaner whatever that is, just someone who sees the future and doesn't like it, and, being BLUE I have more right to be here than you matey.