Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[dolores123] 12/1/2019 10:20

So we apparently don't know the value of the 200kg enhanced product sale?

[dolores123] 12/1/2019 10:17

Ah! Thanks Ferdinand.

[pshevlin] 12/1/2019 10:14

You will have to let me know what you think about the Outlander Phev Shavian as that is the first choice to replace my battered old Spacewagon which I have virtually run into the ground.Have a nice trip.

[superg1] 12/1/2019 09:48

F3rdinand

It’s 200kg of the graphene enhanced polymer. From the interview we know the various tests have been done to show the improved performance and that order is for the ISO process.

[superg1] 12/1/2019 09:44

The pricing of Nanene and HP is determined by the project and feasibility. That’s the beauty of the collaborations, the cost matrix is done before the collaboration is signed. It’s the VRS no BS way. No time and effort is then wasted on projects that are going nowhere when costs become a barrier.

Other public companies will often sign with big names and exclusivity as it excites the market and gets the share price going. Then the bad news either arrives or it goes silent as it was never viable on cost.

The way I see it Aecom will look at the product cost matrix and see if it will work in other areas of business. I suspect it will turn into a number of products and projects.

As in the arch case it’s not about product cost but the huge cost savings and reduced disruption on fitting times. Innovation at it’s best which could be introduced worldwide. Obviously there was an issue (in particular line shutdowns). Aecom have developed a lucrative fix and plan to launch the product under it’s own website.

[f3rdinand] 12/1/2019 09:44

200kg of nanene yes! 200kg of polymer (of which x amount of nanene is added) NO

[ellissj] 12/1/2019 09:10

Think the RV battery solution could be here ! High power density and almost instant recharging. The holy grail ! Aimo. Best ellis

'Acquisition of Gnanomat S.L.'

 "Versarien plc (AIM:VRS) ("Versarien" or the "Company" or the "Group"), the advanced materials group, is pleased to announce that it that it will imminently acquire, subject to certain administrative completion conditions, 62 per cent. of the issued share capital of Gnanomat S.L. ("GNA") (the "Acquisition").

GNA, based in the Parque Cientifico Madrid, Spain, is a company capable of utilising Versarien's graphene products in an environmentally friendly, scalable production process for energy storage devices that offer high power density, almost instant recharging and very long lifetimes for use in electrical vehicles and portable electronics products...."

[dolores123] 12/1/2019 09:09

Am I failing to understand the pricing of nanene? If its $100 per gram then the 200kg order awaited would produce sales of circa 16 million pounds!

[shavian] 12/1/2019 08:39

Depends largely on how and where you drive them Alchemy. On motorways at 70-80 I gather the Outlander is not brilliant, about 50mpg equivalent, but it comes into its own around town. Can’t wait to try it on snow in the mountains, being 4WD in most modes. In fact there are three motors, one ICE/generator which can also drive the front wheels if you run out of battery, and two electric motors, one driving each axle. I’m trying to get to grips with the Pilots Notes this weekend.

[alchemy] 12/1/2019 08:19

Hybrids of course take on the task of carrying two "engines". I'll be interested in your PHEV consumption level.Innovative mild hybrids using 48 volt systems arenow appearing . Pure electric ..only 20 or so moving parts ....tantalising close. I repeat it's charging times that are the enemy. Imosho

[mj10] 12/1/2019 08:14

hydrogen is your answer .even our government are now belated starting to realise that

[shavian] 12/1/2019 07:59

O/T re EV range anxiety. Pure EVs are great for buzzing around town, short-range commuting etc, but I agree that the infrastructure is not there yet particularly if you live out in the sticks or want to go touring. For example West Wales is still a chargepoint desert. I agree with pshevlin: a hybrid is the answer to these problems, but it must be a plug-in hybrid to eliminate range anxiety totally. My Outlander PHEV arrives on Tuesday and I’ll be taking it to the Alps the following week - can’t wait!

Main reason for buying a PHEV was as a stopgap while the infrastructure catches up. Then I’ll trade it in for a Tesla powered by a VRS/Gnano solid state battery in two years time!

[serratia] 11/1/2019 23:32

psh,

You're correct, I seem to be having an occasional argument with a decimal point and don't always win.

[luckyorange] 11/1/2019 23:21

I mentally binned your calculations pcjoe, polygrene so there is not any way of working out the value and too many assumptions on %.

[pcjoe] 11/1/2019 23:01

Each of the Aecom Arches can apparently be carried & positioned by two men - Hence the installation saving via graphene assisted lightweighting

I`m a builder - just a guess but each arch maybe 20kg? - glass fibres may weight about half of that it seems - so perhaps 10kg polymer per arch x say 2% loading graphene = 200g per arch

At £1 per gramme that is £200 per arch for graphene

was it 28km of tunnels? - If so then one arch at every 8m = 3500 arches x £200 = £700,000 for the graphene content of the order

More importantly, the project would establish proof of concept for VRS polygrene polymers & the sky is the limit after that for lightweight structures that can be 3d printed/manufactured - Extra long, lightweight roof trusses & various other lattice structures come to mind, never mind aircraft interiors etc

Still would like to know how you 3d print a likely hollow structure though - must google...

[pshevlin] 11/1/2019 22:44

serratia....I think you mean a 1000 fold increase in 9 years. 0.128 x 1000 = 128 n'est pas?

[matheus7777] 11/1/2019 20:42

SuperG re daft questions I'm of the opinion the only stupid question is the one you don't ask. My question earlier was to get a handle on graphene pricing, 3T of GNPs anywhere near $100 a gram is a lot of money. If 2019 is the year of orders, which it could be, then I suppose I'm curious as to what turnover could be. Very very exciting

[superg1] 11/1/2019 19:37

Apologies I got the pristine graphene (CVD) example price wrong, here is the example I gave which worked out at £230 billion per kg.😂 and that’s the cheap option.


It doesn't take long for poster here to head off in the wrong direction and then have a a lot of pointless posts based on poor understanding.

Not specific to this post but to explain Graphene industries


Graphene industries are very small non starter (check companies house) and the product they did is CVD not GNPS, VRS also do CVD if anyone wants it.

If James Baker is sticking them up as the example then he is gilding the lily somewhat perhaps to promote his own position. If the papers knocking the spend on the NGI discovered that is one he is talking about they they would rip that apart.

Price 50p per um2 to £3 per um2. From their products page



So 1 inch squared = 645160000 x 50p or £3 for the range.

As that figure is x 645 million to get to one square inch of it then you have a price range of £323 mill to £1.9 billion.

Making a gram of it as follows.

1550 (inches2 in 1m2) x 1315m2 (one side surface area for single graphene layer at 1 gram) x 323 mill - 1.9 bill.

So low end 1550 x 1315 x 23 mill high end 1550 x 1315 x 1.9 bill.

So per gram a range of £47 trillion to £282 trillion.


Can you now see that was a failed start up with early stage offering on minuscule CVD graphene.

It's all about understanding what graphene is.

So if that is one James baker is on about then 1kg of CVD = 7,800 times the US debt per kg on the mid price.


Not viable I suspect making Graphenea's £230 billion per kg a bargain.

[serratia] 11/1/2019 18:53

O/T,

How the rate of progress accelerates. In 2005 a computer disc could store 0.128 GB,in 2014 it reached 128 GB so in 9 years a 1000 fold increase in capacity (Scandisc SD card).

In 2016 researchers at Southampton produced a 5d storage disc about the size of a 10p piece that can store 360 TB ( 360,000 GB).

hxxps://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2016/02/5d-data-storage-update.page

The sum total of the worlds stored data is estimated at 250 exabytes. 1 exabyte is 1m TB's.

hxxps://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/02/12/1934244/the-sum-total-of-the-worlds-knowledge-250-exabytes


Taking that disc as the size of a 10p piece the worlds knowledge would fill 376 lits of discs.

The rate of technical progress is amazing.

[hoverflyman] 11/1/2019 18:32

Investor Day Preparation.

Neil on Twitter has proposed that questions to be raised on the day should be posted beforehand. Unfortunately having made my application at 0745 I failed to secure a ticket for the afternoon session but I’m on the waiting list, I think.

I myself would value:

The company making available a summary of the day’s Q&As if possible as well as a copy of any video recordings/PowerPoint presentations made.

A presentation explaining the meaning of the various parameters listed on the Nanene data sheet, particularly surface area and density, and their inter-relationship if any; alternatively reference to a layman’s guide on the subject in order better to assess and understand our stable of products versus competing ones, and to repel trolls in future. I appreciate that if there is no such comprehensible guide we shall have to await and rely on the iso standards in due course, but given their tardiness, in these times of market turbulence every little source of knowledge might bolster confidence (it will mine, I think).

In light of tests to date, both collaborative and independent, information regarding the range of optimal VRS graphene percentage inclusion in end products.

I should be most grateful if anybody attending would consider posting these requests/questions to Neill well in advance of the occasion.

To those lucky enough to attend, have a wonderful time at GEIC, it promises to be a great occasion!

[superg1] 11/1/2019 18:09

There are some daft questions on here considering how long some have been around.

3 tonnes = 3 tonnes of gnps.

The polymer is graphene enhanced, the loading level isn’t specified. I take it to be at levels to match the requirements for the product rather than a masterbatch. I suspect (due to news) that luxus were in that supply loop.

Not a daft point but just to show how expensive graohene can be. When talking pristine as in sheets of CVD I think the example came out around £21 million per gram. A tonne as I recall equated to 3 times the US debt.

In other words knowing the different graphenes, uses and costs including what qualifies as graphene is essential.

If anyone invests in any company because they claim they do graphene and they associate all graphene gains to it, then they are heading for a world of pain on their investment.

Dig in, learn about it, or you will get stung by the many fraud graphene companies out there.

[f3rdinand] 11/1/2019 17:53

Who are you to dictate who does and doesn't post on a public bulletin board? Rather arrogant! If you find it boring then don't bother checking it! Simple

[anley] 11/1/2019 17:36

DULL week for the VRS price and a very DULL BB.

It would be best if all of us stoped posting until the next announcement............