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[sabenhaz3356] 21/7/2018 11:09

Small article about graphene on this week's BBC program click.

[1teepee] 21/7/2018 10:54

I think people will be more interested when we get dividends. Also and I am making a judgment, most people who invest in this know about Graphene and it's potential anyway

[foolishben] 21/7/2018 10:52

20pc: I honestly think all we need is a decent sized order. We are all confident in our investment regardless of this but a lot of investors, including a good friend of mine who I have been banging the drum to, won’t pull the trigger until there is something more concrete. On a selfish note, this has enabled me to build up a much bigger holding than I would have if more people were prepared to take the leap of faith that we all have. It will come and when it does, even late investors like me will be sitting on a 3 bag with immediate effect and Fest will be driving around in an Nanene enhanced P1.

[772] 21/7/2018 10:50

20pc,
It all reminds me of when I first heard Oasis, I heard a song recorded at King Tuts in Glasgow the night they signed to creation records and I was blown away by the power of it. For about a year no one else had heard of them, then suddenly they exploded. Noel Gallagher has talked about when suddenly the 'squares' latched onto them and it went crazy and how he was raking in millions every month.

I see this share the same, one day soon we are going to get a mention on 'News at ten' or something similar and it will go mad. We are the few lucky ones seeing the birth of something and 99.9% of the population are oblivious. Well if that doesn't sound like religious fervour around a share I don't know what does, must remember 'never get emotionally involved in a share'

[graphite bot] 21/7/2018 10:34

Morning all. I’d like to add that by employing the two scientists that have helped creat the iso standards .Neill has made sure that a competitor is not able to use them to achieve iso. I can see nothing but blue skies for our beloved Vrs. China India America when you look at how things have changed in the last 6 months.where might we be in a year or two. Unicorn status quicker than many believe I think.

[club sandwich] 21/7/2018 10:34

"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy." Spike Milligan

[20pc] 21/7/2018 10:17

We are a bunch of fanatics on here spending hundreds of hours researching, reading and rejoicing at bits of news that when I try to explain to others (even some holders) they just yawn and say “yeah so what does that mean”. The real fact is that VRS remain under the radar, We haven't yet got an analyst or city scribbler dedicating themselves to something that will make then a guru in years to come that they would be able to dine out on for the rest of their lives. (fancy a job superg1 or Mike).
So what could be the catalyst to widespread investor interest. I had hoped the USA might have had news on the VRS announcement but a quick search not found any. Imagine what the US tech hungry nutters would do to the share price when they see the light. Lets not forget the Chinese for that matter. There will be something that suddenly hits the sweet spot, maybe when we find out where a big chunk of that 3T goes. Just as likely someone somewhere who actually knows what they are talking about writes the light bulb moment. Looking forward to finding out. We are not there yet but certainly building a head of steam. Thanks again to this board.

[club sandwich] 21/7/2018 10:03

This also popped up:

The Incredible Story of The PayPal Mafia


Not graphene-related, but very interesting background insight into EM...

[20pc] 21/7/2018 09:54

I don't know how long the US will take for verification but it would be nice to have it up and running by this date.

[shavian] 21/7/2018 09:53

Anyone familiar with Raconteur.net? They publish a regular insert into The Times each week, some of which are excruciatingly boring. However this week’s was on The Future of Packaging, also available on Raconteur’s website:



As you see, all packaged with some great articles on seaweed-based ketchup pouches (wonderful for throwing at parties!) and how technology is transforming the packaging sector. The ‘Blue Planet’ effect really seems to be changing attitudes towards plastic waste. What have I missed? Oh yes - absolutely no mention of our magic ingredient! 3D printing and RFID implants get a mention in one article, but the whole sector appears to the oblivious to the graphene revolution which is about to hit them.

Amazing. Worth a good read.

[superg1] 21/7/2018 09:45

Sorted the iso and standards then taken jobs at VRS, we know why.

They both know 95%+ of the claims out there are not graphene.

97.5%+ if you go by Hayd comments on tested 200 plus only about 5 met the standard.

On the Hayd front I believe they made 'promises' to others in belief that GNPs were cheap (under 10p per gram). EG they had a few items listed with Goodfellow at less than 50 layers but other details said less than 50 nm (150 layers). That is graphite junk and would be cheap but high prices were put on it.

As we have always said once the tide goes out (standards and ISO fully implemented)the vast majority of graphene companies will no longer exist as graphene companies.

It doesn't end at under 10 layer, lateral sizes/aspect ratios and defect ratios are equally important.

Then with all that does it work in the various applications.

[molatovkid] 21/7/2018 09:43

The fact the Govt have appointed an adviser to the company tells all you need to know how valuable this is. In all my years of investing I can't remember seeing that happen.

[club sandwich] 21/7/2018 09:42

This popped up on my YouTube wall:

Why graphene hasn’t taken over the world...yet


Short and very interesting.

It has an interview with a company I'd not heard of before - Vorbek? Worbek?

Only published on 10th July 2018, but not completely up-to-date, I would suggest...

[club sandwich] 21/7/2018 09:16

My biggest fear, as was mentioned above, is that somebody tries to take them over. I want them to retain their independence to fulfil their destiny to be the next Apple. The potential is staggering, the possibilities simply mind-boggling.

Even on R4 yesterday, a piece about the barrier reef, they mentioned a plan to place a film of a 2D material 1/200th (or was it 1/500th) the thickness of a human hair on the surface of the water to reflect light back and stop the water heating to damage the coral. They didn't mention graphene by name but I wonder which material they could be thinking of? Obviously I don't know if that plan will reach fruition, but we live on science fiction times.

"The future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed." William Gibson

or, if you prefer, Clarke's Third Law:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

The corollary being that any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.

I need another coffee...

[spike_1] 21/7/2018 09:11

Woody,
Not really, like as not, our two new colleagues are due a summer break, so will have wrapped up (as much as necessary) their side of the ISO. Not forgetting they are consultants for the purposes of the ISO as far as I recall.
Cheers - Mike

[20pc] 21/7/2018 09:09

What a fantastic week. The 3T capacity news, collab updates, the appointments of Dr Denis Koltsov and Dr Martin Kemp , two people who really know the potential ahead. On top of that the icing on the cake The Graphene Council's launch client for their 'Verified Graphene Producer' programme, which will independently verify that the Company's Nanene graphene nano platelets meet their demanding standards. This week VRS, as far as I am concerned, have now completed the foundations of a truly amazing journey to come, Now lets see where we go CAN BRITAIN GROW AN APPLE.

[woodpeckers] 21/7/2018 09:06

It really does seem odd that yesterday's announcement came out before ISO confirmation. I'm sure all will be revealed very soon.

[club sandwich] 21/7/2018 08:52

I'm agog. Agog, I tell you!

[spike_1] 21/7/2018 08:41

Shavian, perhaps you misunderstand me, where have I said that I thought that Nanene had or would gain the Graphene Council's status?

We are talking the USA, nothing can be certain there until it is fact, and in the days of Trump - even then ;0)

Best wishes - Spike

[shavian] 21/7/2018 08:21

Spike, like I said: past tense + moving to VRS = job done :-)

However, it would be premature to assume that The Graphene Council’s selection of VRS as their launch client means that Nanene has already gained the status of verified graphene. The RNS was very careful to use the future tense with relation to this and to the NPL/NGI’s graphene characterisation programme. Both very encouraging bits of news, but don’t let’s jump the gun.

[spike_1] 21/7/2018 08:18

CT: re Unilever (believed to be a VRS collab') excellent find, especially the part you highlighted (and repeated here):
" Earlier targets also include reducing the weight of packaging by one third by 2020 through light weighting materials, optimising structural and material design, developing concentrated versions of products and eliminating unnecessary packaging".

Also: Unilever will begin piloting and testing the new recycled plastic bottles over coming months and aims to have the new bottles on shelf as early as possible in 2019.


The future is bright - the future is orange ;0)

[spike_1] 21/7/2018 08:11

Shavian, from the RNS if this helps:
Dr Kemp has written the new standard for graphene flakes (British Standard Institution BSI PAS 1201:2018 'Properties of Graphene Flakes - Guide') which was sponsored by InnovateUK and will be published in August 2018.

Best wishes - spike

[curtain twitcher] 21/7/2018 08:10

" Earlier targets also include reducing the weight of packaging by one third by 2020 through light weighting materials, optimising structural and material design, developing concentrated versions of products and eliminating unnecessary packaging".



Unilever announces landmark packaging move
11/07/2018

Unilever announces landmark packaging move to find a new life for rigid plastic recycled from Australian homes.

Unilever Australia & New Zealand has announced a landmark move to introduce Australian sourced post-consumer recycled plastic for bottles of locally made and well-known Home and Personal Care brands such as OMO, Dove, Surf, Sunsilk and TRESemmé.

Unilever will introduce at least 25% recycled plastic into bottles for key brands and go further wherever technically possible. This will create an end market and new life for approximately 750 tonnes of recycled plastic per year – equivalent to more than 100m single-use plastic bags* – and represents a significant step forward in accelerating Australia’s circular economy by creating local demand for rigid plastic (such as shampoo and laundry detergent bottles) recycled through local council yellow kerbside collection bins.

Clive Stiff, CEO Unilever Australia & New Zealand said: “We want to give Australians confidence that for each bottle of OMO, Dove, Sunsilk, Surf or TRESemmé they buy, they are giving a new lease on life to the plastic they recycle in their yellow bins. In short, this move diverts plastic away from landfill.”

Unilever will become the first major consumer goods company in Australia to make the shift to source high volumes of locally recycled High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE) plastic across home and personal care brands. HDPE is a more rigid plastic type, used commonly in plastic bottles for home cleaning and personal care products. Previously, recycled HDPE plastic has been challenging to source and use for these product categories due to economic and technical feasibility.

In 2017 Unilever committed globally to design all of its plastic packaging to be fully reusable, recyclable or compostable by 2025 and to use at least 25% recycled plastic packaging by 2025, recognising the need to increase the demand for recycled materials to support the shift to a circular economy. Earlier targets also include reducing the weight of packaging by one third by 2020 through light weighting materials, optimising structural and material design, developing concentrated versions of products and eliminating unnecessary packaging.

“While we are making good progress on our packaging targets in Australia and New Zealand and this represents a significant step forward, there is more work to do with availability as well as economic and technical feasibility still major barriers in using recycled plastic content across our packaging. We also need to continue our work to reduce the amount of packaging we use whilst balancing this with delivering the quality of products our consumers expect,” said Mr Stiff.

“As a consumer goods company, we are acutely aware of the consequences of a linear take-make-dispose model and we want to change it. We are proud to be taking this step forward, but no business can create a circular economy in isolation. Creating a local market and demand for all types of recycled plastic is critical and heavy lifting is needed from all players involved - suppliers, packaging converters, brand owners, policy makers and retailers, collectors, sorters and recyclers. We need a complete shift in how we think about and use resources.”

Currently just 14% of plastic packaging used globally makes its way to recycling plants, a third is left in fragile ecosystems, and 40% ends up in landfill. Australia’s recycling rate is 65% across all packaging and 31% for plastic with rates starting to flatline. Plastic packaging waste represents an $80 billion loss to the global economy every year.

“Our work on reducing the impact of our packaging and driving a circular economy is aligned to our Sustainable Living Plan ambition to halve the environmental impact of our business and de-couple our environmental impact from our growth. Addressing environmental and societal challenges such as plastic waste is not only the right thing for our world, but it is good for business,” added Mr Stiff.

Unilever will begin piloting and testing the new recycled plastic bottles over coming months and aims to have the new bottles on shelf as early as possible in 2019.