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[alphorn] 18/4/2020 10:00

Ut - IP espionage is everywhere. A risk of the game unfortunately - probably not new though in many sectors.

The Chinese seem very advanced from software design to weaponry. In the latter area they are the only country to have built a 'rail gun'.

One answer to IP theft is speed - get out onto the market place before anyone steals your ideas.

Liked your reply btw. ;))

[stonedyou] 18/4/2020 09:21

Is this proof 'life-saving' ventilators are actually deathtraps? Their success rate is appalling and medics are increasingly worried they may do more harm than good, disturbing report reveals


• Serious doubts have been raised about the effectiveness of ventilators

• Ventilators are a standard treatment for the deadly lung infection pneumonia

• In New York, 80 per cent of ventilated patients failed to recover

•Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID



New York casualty doctor Cameron Kyle-Sidell has broken ranks with the medical establishment to warn ventilators are not being used in the right way



New York casualty doctor Cameron Kyle-Sidell has broken ranks with the medical establishment to warn ventilators are not being used in the right way

The death rate for those treated on ventilators is devastating. In one British study of 98 Covid-19 patients who were put on them or on similarly invasive breathing-support equipment, two-thirds died, according to a new report by our Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre.

In New York, which has been hit particularly hard by the virus, 80 per cent of ventilated patients failed to recover. The loss of life in other countries for those on the machines is equally terrifying.

Dr David Farcy, the president of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine, warns against using them indiscriminately. His patients have been treated successfully with fastflow oxygen delivered through a simple nasal tube or mask.

He also places patients on their left or right side, a process called proning that is simpler to perform on patients in masks than those on ventilators, which instantly raises oxygen levels in their blood.

'This has challenged everything we thought', he said. 'Six weeks ago everybody (in a hospital) would be running around getting ready to intubate you, put you on a machine'. But not any more.

So why the change of tune? The answer is that some doctors have a remarkable new thesis: that the virus's symptoms are more akin to highaltitude breathing difficulties (caused by a lack of oxygen at extreme heights) or even carbon monoxide poisoning (which snuffs out oxygen in the body's red blood cells).

In both instances, victims struggle for oxygen. But they do not have the ravaged lungs of pneumonia sufferers who are routinely put on ventilators. Dr Kyle-Sidell says of Covid-19 in his video: 'It appears to be some kind of viral-induced disease most resembling high-altitude sickness


'It is as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are flying on a plane at 30,000 ft and the cabin pressure is slowly being let out. These patients are slowly being starved of oxygen.

'The patients I am seeing are most like a person dropped off at the top of mount Everest without time to acclimatise. They look like patients on the brink of death (through lack of oxygen). They do not look like patients dying of pneumonia.'


For pneumonia cases, he explains, the ventilator 'does the work that patient's muscles can no longer do because they are too tired to do it'. But the muscles of Covid-19 patients are fine.

'They are suffering from oxygen failure, not respiratory failure.'

His supporters include distinguished medics such as Dr Luciano Gattinoni of Germany's Medical University of Gottingen. In a letter to the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, Dr Gattinoni warns that the conventional use of ventilators may injure the lungs of Covid-19 victims.

At one European hospital where virus patients were ventilated in this way, 60 per cent of them died. Into the fray, too, has stepped Professor Sherif Sultan, the Ireland-based President of the International Society of Vascular Surgery.

He believes that invasive ventilation is not a solution for Covid-19 as it does not resemble pneumonia or a similar respiratory ailment. We need to stop treating patients for the wrong disease, he surmises in an analysis of medical research into the virus.

Professor Sultan believes the vital clue that the coronavirus is different from pneumonia is in how it attacks the human body. It affects both lungs at the same time, which pneumonia rarely ever does.

[stonedyou] 18/4/2020 08:24

Is this proof 'life-saving' ventilators are actually deathtraps? Their success rate is appalling and medics are increasingly worried they may do more harm than good, disturbing report reveals


• Serious doubts have been raised about the effectiveness of ventilators

• Ventilators are a standard treatment for the deadly lung infection pneumonia

• In New York, 80 per cent of ventilated patients failed to recover

•Learn more about how to help people impacted by COVID



New York casualty doctor Cameron Kyle-Sidell has broken ranks with the medical establishment to warn ventilators are not being used in the right way



New York casualty doctor Cameron Kyle-Sidell has broken ranks with the medical establishment to warn ventilators are not being used in the right way

The death rate for those treated on ventilators is devastating. In one British study of 98 Covid-19 patients who were put on them or on similarly invasive breathing-support equipment, two-thirds died, according to a new report by our Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre.

In New York, which has been hit particularly hard by the virus, 80 per cent of ventilated patients failed to recover. The loss of life in other countries for those on the machines is equally terrifying.

Dr David Farcy, the president of the American Academy of Emergency Medicine, warns against using them indiscriminately. His patients have been treated successfully with fastflow oxygen delivered through a simple nasal tube or mask.

He also places patients on their left or right side, a process called proning that is simpler to perform on patients in masks than those on ventilators, which instantly raises oxygen levels in their blood.

'This has challenged everything we thought', he said. 'Six weeks ago everybody (in a hospital) would be running around getting ready to intubate you, put you on a machine'. But not any more.

So why the change of tune? The answer is that some doctors have a remarkable new thesis: that the virus's symptoms are more akin to highaltitude breathing difficulties (caused by a lack of oxygen at extreme heights) or even carbon monoxide poisoning (which snuffs out oxygen in the body's red blood cells).

In both instances, victims struggle for oxygen. But they do not have the ravaged lungs of pneumonia sufferers who are routinely put on ventilators. Dr Kyle-Sidell says of Covid-19 in his video: 'It appears to be some kind of viral-induced disease most resembling high-altitude sickness


'It is as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are flying on a plane at 30,000 ft and the cabin pressure is slowly being let out. These patients are slowly being starved of oxygen.

'The patients I am seeing are most like a person dropped off at the top of mount Everest without time to acclimatise. They look like patients on the brink of death (through lack of oxygen). They do not look like patients dying of pneumonia.'


For pneumonia cases, he explains, the ventilator 'does the work that patient's muscles can no longer do because they are too tired to do it'. But the muscles of Covid-19 patients are fine.

'They are suffering from oxygen failure, not respiratory failure.'

His supporters include distinguished medics such as Dr Luciano Gattinoni of Germany's Medical University of Gottingen. In a letter to the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, Dr Gattinoni warns that the conventional use of ventilators may injure the lungs of Covid-19 victims.

At one European hospital where virus patients were ventilated in this way, 60 per cent of them died. Into the fray, too, has stepped Professor Sherif Sultan, the Ireland-based President of the International Society of Vascular Surgery.

He believes that invasive ventilation is not a solution for Covid-19 as it does not resemble pneumonia or a similar respiratory ailment. We need to stop treating patients for the wrong disease, he surmises in an analysis of medical research into the virus.

Professor Sultan believes the vital clue that the coronavirus is different from pneumonia is in how it attacks the human body. It affects both lungs at the same time, which pneumonia rarely ever does.

[coxsmn] 18/4/2020 08:15

BBC News - Coronavirus vaccine: Target of a million doses by September, scientists sayhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52329659

[xxxxxy] 18/4/2020 07:30

Finding PPE

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: APRIL 18, 2020

We have all got used to the initials PPE, meaning  protective clothing for people working in the NHS and social care. The government has told us it wants there to be a plentiful supply, and Ministers have authorised spending to provide one. Despite this there is a persistent issue over whether supplies and stocks are adequate in a range of Health and Social care establishments.

I have spent time each day on this problem for the local organisations that report insufficient supplies and stocks. I have  badgered the government through Ministers and the Cabinet Office. I have asked the Local resilience Forum for help, as we were told they had an important role locally. I have worked with Wokingham Borough who want to source more clothing for their social service responsibilities.

As a result of the strong MP and media interest and the demands from various hospitals and care homes the centre and the regions have set up organisations to try to ease the shortage. As an alert reader will have noticed, so far I have only mentioned organisations that are trying to buy or obtain PPE. The problem of course lies mainly  with the supply. The world is short of PPE because there has been a big surge in world demand.

I have been able to pass on some leads to public sector bodies who need to buy more PPE. There are various manufacturers and stockists out there who can provide more PPE, and who want the extra orders. Some potential manufacturers say they are experiencing delays in getting their product approved and registered as suitable for purchase and use. Clearly the public sector needs to make rapid decisions, though it should see and test a sample of  the goods first.

It should not be a logistics problem. The army is doing great work strengthening public sector delivery systems. There are plenty of laid up trucks and  vans in the private sector needing work, and plenty of us would volunteer to drive a load in the backs of our own vehicles to an individual local care home if needed.

Given the will to provide more, the money to pay for it and the flexibility of manufacturers in need of work, it should  be possible to crack this problem. Companies wanting to supply need to send in urgent samples, and the buyers in the public sector need to respond quickly with orders.

[xxxxxy] 18/4/2020 07:17

Human trials for a coronavirus vaccine are set to begin next week, as the government launches a taskforce to ramp up efforts to tackle the pandemic.Scientists at the University of Oxford have been working on a vaccine to prevent people from catching Covid-19, which they plan to test on the first UK volunteers within the next seven days.Sarah Gilbert, a professor of vaccinology who is leading the team, said it could be ready to use on the general public by the autumn, with at least a million doses on standby to be rolled out in September.It comes as Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser, revealed that more than 5,500 people have been enrolled in UK clinical trials to establish whether existing medicines can help treat Covid-19 patients.He said that developing a vaccine was a "difficult, complicated process" which would take many months, Daily Telegraph

[utrickytrees] 18/4/2020 04:57

That's a population explosion of 19.5% overnight that we hadn't planned for for Stoned....the numbers of southern Mediterranean citizens will only continue to rise as their relationship with the harsh EU continues to deteriorate, the UK will be the likely destination for hundreds of thousands of EU citizens wanting a better life.There will be no reason for EU citizens to make any special arrangements to travel to the UK after Brexit, they will just turn up.

[k38] 18/4/2020 00:20

https://youtu.be/pRpOtx00tBY

[dr biotech] 17/4/2020 23:50

“On much”....315;🤣㊃5;

[minerve 2] 17/4/2020 22:13

Goodnight mm2!

LOL

[az209] 17/4/2020 22:11

What are the signs of turning into a vampire?
There is something called blood-rage, which is a sanguine vampiric response to an unmet need for blood. The symptoms can include unprovoked anger, extreme agitation, unpredictability, physical pain, mental agitation, and if left unchecked, severe depression, apathy, even suicidal tendencies.

The night shift has clocked on.

[alphorn] 17/4/2020 22:11

mknight - official total monthly numbers are the last week of the following month. Previous (Feb) 26/03/20.

[minerve 2] 17/4/2020 22:07

Your investments are going down the plug hole.
Your investments are going down the plug hole.
Your investments are going down the plug hole.
Your investments are going down the plug hole.
Your investments are going down the plug hole.

[minerve 2] 17/4/2020 22:06

Boris and the gammons - not the brightest collective in the world, eh?

ROFLMAO!

[minerve 2] 17/4/2020 22:05

Face the 'harsh reality' - UK will 'probably' have highest death rate in Europe

We should face the "harsh reality" that the UK will "probably" have the highest death rate in Europe because we acted too slowly, a former WHO director has said.





Yep.

Great start to Brexit folks.

Get used to coming bottom of the class! ;)

[mknight] 17/4/2020 21:58

And Aprils the day after .