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[k38] 02/4/2019 12:15

Careful 3 years late for democracy.. time to deliver the goods.

[k38] 02/4/2019 12:13

The one's who didn't vote have no reason or right to complain.

[careful] 02/4/2019 12:13

For heavens sake k38,
Why do you think that the 17.4m voters are set in stone.
These things are fluid, not tablets of stone handed down by Moses.

3 years a long time, but will you at least concede that the older voters who have died and voted leave will not do so in the next election?

[k38] 02/4/2019 12:08

Stop acting like a naive person and grow up.. a lot of evidence and not support of TMs deal. A lot of evidence why it's best for UK to leave Brussels. 52% it's a big majority to go against it in an election, labour or conservatives.

[careful] 02/4/2019 11:59

Interesting posts Minerve.

The UDP have much to fear from an election, and it is difficult to imagine that Tory MP's would bring down their own government.

I am it is obvious, a status quo, why take the risk of radical change remainer. Now having said that, I try to be impartial in my assessment of this messy situation.

What I do not understand is why passionate Brexiteers think that a strong Brexit position would be such a vote winner in an upcoming election.
I am not so sure.

In the 2016 referendum, almost 3 years ago, leaving seemed simple and offered so much hope to believers;
the voting was.
17.4 m. voted leave
16.2 m. voted remain
11.8 m. did not bother to vote.

As we know, since then a number of complications have arisen.

1. Older voters overwhelmingly voted to leave. Sadly about 2.5m have died.
2. There will be a similar number of new younger voters.2.5m.
3. The promised simplicity and optimistic 'sunlit uplands' argument has been proven to be wrong.
4. Remain voters are bound to be steady, because they are boring, no change, keep things as they are, why take risks, types.

[polar fox] 02/4/2019 11:59

Apparently, the gov't is thinking of MV4 on Thursday.

However, LauraK just tweeted:

Whispers this morning that clerks in Commons have made it clear to govt that Bercow would not allow them to bring back the deal for another vote - one source says this is a 'BIG PROBLEM' - with capital letters - BUT Speaker's office says not decided yet - let's see.

unquote
Could get interesting...

[jacko07] 02/4/2019 11:58

Barnier should just put a firm date on the backstop and the DUP will vote May's deal in. Simple..it should be, but instead of heaping all the blame on May, the European's have acted out of spite and rancour on something that could easily have been done months ago.

Europe knows it is in big trouble and the UK leaving is going to make things a whole lot worse, it also knows that the UK has a 16 million ninconpoops wanting to kill off all of our futures.

[willoicc] 02/4/2019 11:57

What if the knife is concealed and they have no 'strong evidence'

[minerve 2] 02/4/2019 11:53

Damn pillow biters!

[willoicc] 02/4/2019 11:46

Do teachers have the power to 'stop and search' schoolkids?

[k38] 02/4/2019 11:41

He is right and they know it. Alice is right and they know it.. they have more to benefit by stop trying to trap us to a bad deal. But they are too proud bureaucrats and on top of that afraid of their fragile union may fall like a house of cards. Farage is right, this union will not last long.

[minerve 2] 02/4/2019 11:31

To add:

If election, an overwhelming Brexit focus could lead to unexpected outcomes
One of the intriguing aspects of the Brexit process is that a large number of constituencies saw a majority vote in the referendum for an outcome their own MP does not favour. Should there be a General Election with an overwhelming focus on Brexit, we believe there could be a stronger tendency than usual for voters to switch to a different party if they feel their own MP has acted against their wishes as expressed in the EU referendum. This lending of votes could have more impact for the Labour party – for illustrative purposes, we look at a uniform 10% swing in all Conservative constituencies where a majority voted to remain, and the same swing in all Labour constituencies where a majority voted to leave. In this scenario, there would be a net gain of 21 seats for the Conservatives, all else equal.

[minerve 2] 02/4/2019 11:29

Careful

Thought you might be interested in this:

UBS courtesy FT Markets live

There are also reasons why the Government may willingly opt for an Election
Under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011, an early Election can either happen following a vote of no confidence in the Government (if no workable alternative can be formed in the next two weeks), or if 2/3 of MPs vote in favour of holding one. Effectively, the first of these is an election forced on the Government, the second is one volunteered for. As a possible way out of the current impasse, this voluntary route may become more appealing to the current Government than some assume. The Tories are currently ahead in the opinion polls (Figure1), and last week's news that the MPs who left the two main parties have now officially formed a party of their own (Change UK) may increase speculation that the left wing vote could be split. In addition, it seems the Tories will be the only party standing on a manifesto that offers a relatively decisive form of Brexit, while Labour's much softer version could see them effectively competing for (Brexit-driven) votes with the SNP, Liberal Democrats, and Change UK.

[corby3] 02/4/2019 11:23

I agree, Alice Weidel has more acumen than Barnier, Juncker and the bureaucrats combined.

Remainers want the UK to stay manacled to the most undemocratic out of control corrupt organization in modern times.

[goldfinger16] 02/4/2019 11:10

The first bit of fresh air for weeks, if only ours and Europe's leaders were as bright as Alice.

ALICE WEIDEL..All Remainers and Leavers should listen to this very bright woman.

[sux_2bu] 02/4/2019 10:50

David Cameron must be proud.

[grahamite2] 02/4/2019 10:50

What a deal does involve: I give you these good things, you give me those good things, together we prosper.

What it does not involve: here, take all I have, it's yours. There's a few little things I'd like but we can talk about them later. If you don't mind, that is.