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[pierre oreilly] 17/4/2020 09:07

If you have access to your medical record online, you can read your own Frailty Index. This is what they read to for triage when you go into hospital, and is basically how many medical conditions you have. They'll read it to decide whether or not you get a ventilator if you need one if you have covid, or get admitted at all. Not everyone with covid gets treatment even if the NHS isn't overwhelmed.

[poikka] 17/4/2020 09:03

Ah well, the criminals will just love masks - along with the virus.

Rubi would wear one, but not I, and they wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to getting the economy going again.

"Right, you've all got masks and protective glasses on so you can all board the aircraft/cruise liner now"

[pierre oreilly] 17/4/2020 09:00

Steve, the lockdown isn't binary, or black and white. Restrictions can be lifted incrementally. For example, they have allowed parks to reopen after the disaster of closing them for reasons unknown to me. They could, and should imv, take another step of opening say national trust parks, and allow people to travel say up to 10 miles to exercise in them, keeping a social distance. They have to consider more the psychological condition of the public. Maybe secondary school kids could go back to school.Obviously, the more freedom and more interaction the more viruses spread, but that will always be the case. Risk has to be accepted at some stage else we'll never come out of lockdown. Let those at low risk of serious illness on catching covid get back to normal living, with those at high risk isolating themselves as best they can. One doctor involved said that every covid Death in his experience was to people with 3 or more underlying conditions, implying fit healthy and young aren't at a risk commensurate with their restrictions.

[mikemichael2] 17/4/2020 08:34

Same with masks, they can't make us all wear masks, there aren't any available!! and don't post up those ebay sites showing loads for sale....Try getting them.

[mikemichael2] 17/4/2020 08:30

The percentage of people who have had or have the virus is not known, however it was found that 50% of those Care home staff in Scotland that were tested, had either had or got the virus, with most not even knowing.

Conclusion, is to test test test, for all we know half the population might have it, or had it!!!

Trouble is Government know they can't do any of this yet, so they fudge and distract.

[steve4003] 17/4/2020 08:21

If we lift the lock down, the % of the overall population with the virus at present is relatively small, if that were to double to a still relatively small %, Would that not double the people needing ITU, thereby swamping the NHS.

This is a question not an argument.

[xxxxxy] 17/4/2020 07:54

764Not everyone infected will die. The real vulnerable eg immunosuppressant treatment, should know by now not to leave a position of safety and cleanliness.The rest will develop Nature's Vaccine. That is good and natural.To be fearful means we are all living dead. The ones not at risk eg not obese, not on immunosuppressant treatment must get on with our lives.

[xxxxxy] 17/4/2020 07:47

World government?By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: APRIL 17, 2020The response to the virus crisis has in many ways been an essay in world government. The World Health Organisation has stood at the top of the decision tree on how to handle this crisis, acting as a source of information, a clearing house for the ideas of   those seeking to understand and tackle it, and a strong influence and guide on governments on what to do.Most governments worldwide have followed the main precepts of the WHO advice. There have been attempts by some in the media and some in various governments to differentiate, yet the remarkable thing is just how similar responses are. The differences are largely ones of timing, subject to differing timetables dictated by the rate of spread of the virus to different locations from other hotspots or disease centres.Most have begun with efforts to track and trace, with testing, to try to contain the spread via the isolation of early cases and their contacts. Most lost that battle and went on to the second phase, total lockdown of all but food, healthcare and some other essentials.Now there are issues over how much success a country needs to record before it starts some relaxation of controls, and what the dangers are of a second wave or flare up in the virus if relaxation occurs.President Trump is very critical of the WTO . He thinks they were too tolerant of China who failed to notify early or to let in WHO experts at  the beginning. He also seems impatient with their approach to treatment and medical analysis, turning  to a range of US specialist companies and experts to try to get earlier breakthroughs in treatments and prevention. He also points out that in his view the USA carries a disproportionately high burden of paying for the Organisation.Do you think the WTO has done a good job so far? Has it given best advice?  How does the mantra of more and more testing work once the disease is well spread throughout a nation? How often does an individual have to be retested for the system based on tests to work?

[aljm] 17/4/2020 00:00

Wow, Trump is saying States could in theory open TOMORROW, we get an extension to lockdown by 3 weeks, WTF is our Excuse of a Government doing ?

[minerve 2] 16/4/2020 23:54

CtR

The simulation is completely misleading because first you would need a person to be a carrier shedding significant virus who feels well enough to go food shopping and then coughs in the middle of an isle without covering up his/her mouth. That is not as common as one would think.

Also, the virus may move like it does in the simulation but we have no idea what viral load is needed to infect. Most of that cloud could be useless as a transmitter.

It is dangerous scaremongering to the ill-informed.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 16/4/2020 23:44

To those who dont think masks work...

While a mask of some sort is better than no mask, not having the proper medical equipment could lead to further transmission of the virus. Just watch the simulation below, a COVID-19 carrier coughs in a supermarket, releases an aerosol cloud of the virus and infects others. The right gear saves lives.



"The right gear saves lives" <---------------------That it does.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 16/4/2020 23:07

"Poikka16 Apr '20 - 21:23 - 300744 of 300759
Do they work against coronavirus? Evidence says mostly no"


Evidence?
What evidence?


"their alleged benefits are probably outweighed by the negatives"

Evidence?


"add freedom of choice and need to avoid big state to that, and the answer is that they're not a good idea for Joe Public"


One conspiracy too far for me....

Masks, as long as they are half face mask or above, with proper filters, that fit properly, do stop the spread of Coronavirus. Indisputable.

Why?

Because they protect YOU from breathing IN everyone else's infections.

This is basic.

Am surprised you think Masks don't work - bizarre.

And no, I do not include surgical masks in the above definition in case you were wondering.


"Here's the BBC take on it:


I wouldnt listen to those BBC fokkers one way or the other whatever they said.

The facts are indisputable

Keep your distance
Maintain lockdown quarantine to reduce R0 and flatten speed of the spread

or

Everyone goes on as normal to work, etc, but wears a mask.

There are TWO REASONS South Korea, Hong Kong,and Singapore don't have this as badly as Europe.
1) Speedy and widespread testing
2) Everyone going outside wears a mask. Cultural thing.And very sensible.

You're deluded if you think they do not work. Sorry

[minerve 2] 16/4/2020 23:06

Always reassuring to know that every failure of U.K. policy is actually the fault of some foreigner isn’t it?

[minerve 2] 16/4/2020 23:00

Just like Trump, this incompetent British government tries to blame China for the pandemic. No Mr Raab, HMG was warned in 2016 that the UK would do badly in a pandemic.

Nothing was learned from SARS or other coronavirus outbreaks. The NHS was underfunded under successive Conservative governments.

From January it was obvious that there was a danger from Covid-19 to the UK and its citizens. Yet no real preparations were made until March. The Health Secretary did not speak the truth when he told the House of Commons that the NHS was “well prepared” to face this pandemic.

Thousands have died in the UK because of your government’s lack of preparation. Look how the Germans have dealt with the same virus. The entire government should hang its head in shame at this shambles. Do not try and pin the blame on China.

[patientcapital] 16/4/2020 22:58

It's only a matter of time.

[cheshire pete] 16/4/2020 22:57

FT: Macron warning EU could unravel...

[crossing_the_rubicon] 16/4/2020 22:44

"maxidi16 Apr '20 - 16:19 - 300710 of 300751
Grow up you simpleton. Anyway I'm fed up of your childish ways I'm filtering you.
Bye Bye"

Surprised you took so long to filter that obnoxious mofo.

There are very few people I really detest on Advfn but Mitty is one of them.As is LeoneoBull.

I hate Communists/Socialists, and I detest anti democratic Remoaners.

I'd have both put up against the wall myself.

[crossing_the_rubicon] 16/4/2020 22:42

Maxidi
"They'll look back in a couple of years and think Brexit was really a good thing when they look across the water at the chaos in the EU. Italexit just around the corner swiftly followed by Spain, Portugal, Poland, Greece, etc. etc. and Germany,& France crying "How did this happen". The answer of course is 'your greed' and bombastic attitude"

Fat chance they'll admit to such though....