Kier Share Discussion Threads

[imastu pidgitaswell] 18/3/2021 08:36

IOM - once again, nothing specific.

Because you just don't know that you don't know. Blissful ignorance.

Until results day, anyway.


Wally - I know. How can anyone argue with people who just don't discuss specifics, and when finally cornered just disappear for a while. And eventually come back with a bit of name-calling and squealing. I don't know, it's just a weakness of mine, one of many - I don't like liars and dissemblers trying to get people to invest in stuff on the basis of wrong information. Last night - Lloyds making a bid for KL? It's just pathetic.

[itisonlymoney] 18/3/2021 08:26

yeah, just you wait... I'm gonna... i'm gonna... post more messages!! Grrr!!🗯

[imastu pidgitaswell] 18/3/2021 07:56

stdy - you know what's sad? Every post you ever make is on this thread, about this company.

Take myself seriously? Just wait until the next time you dial up the hysteria.

Boring on about stuff - because you keep coming back with the same wrong version of what the true picture is. You know, even if the muppets don't, what the true picture in terms of debt and liabilities is - yet you keep reverting to the wrong version, and extrapolating ridiculously from there, ending up in fantasy land.

And to the others - yes, you all like to take refuge in each other, egging each other on - convincing yourself of your investment by having others tell you things you want to hear and shouting down what you don't want to hear.

See you on results day...

[brenman] 18/3/2021 02:29

I laughed out loud at the 'seeking safety in numbers' part. what a fking berk who thinks that posting on this bb requires 'safety'. obvs he's never known real danger. clay, eddy, 👍

[stdyeddy] 17/3/2021 22:40

And btw masturpig, picking a few numbers out selectively and stringing them together is not 'specifics' as you like to call it. Your efforts are no better than a 14-year-old's 'analysis' which really gives the lie to you being 'an accountant'. And I hate liars. As has been noted before, despite posting your rubbish on here for many months, you still appear to be woefully ignorant of Kier and its actual issues AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY ITS OPPORTUNITIES.

You post on here more often than the people who are actually invested here!! That fact alone says something about you. You are nothing more than a very silly old troll who takes himself far too seriously.

[stdyeddy] 17/3/2021 22:22

I agree clay. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Just adding all of a business's liabilities into debt is fine, as long as you do that on every other business under discussion. Do people on the Costain thread bleat on about how much it owes suppliers and tax and so forth. I see btw, that that business has now burnt through its cash on provisioning; maybe everyone should start posting on the cost thread about what terrible shape it's now in.

Really masturpig, you are ridiculous. wally used to bore on about how he was just here to save people money, meanwhile the shareprice has more than doubled since November. I don't see him apologising for how wrong he has been for the last six months. You might take note of that, because if you were genuinely any good at predicting shareprices, you wouldn't still be posting your shrill denials on this free chatboard, but writing for an official publication. Very strange hobby you've got -- wasting your time being rude to people on here -- for someone old enough to know better.

You have posted 45 messages in three days, many of them boring on and on about stuff which is self-evident, or pointlessly squeaking protests at other posters. Evidently you are bored, lonely and a little bit stupid, spending all day, every day posting long messages on advfn which consist of blather which is bleedin obvious, wrong or rude to other people and often all three. If you described your day's activities to any sane person, I think they might ask you whether you would prefer to do something productive instead.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 17/3/2021 21:19

IOM - I didn't think it was possible for your stuff to get worse. But you managed it.

1) Yes I know what ffs stands for, that's why I said it. Because I'm tired of saying the same thing and you failing to understand it, and you just keep repeating the wrong information. FFS.

2) 'Eddy', hamham, you et al do not have me pegged. I keep telling you facts that you don't like - and you keep failing to respond to the specifics. That isn't 'pegging me'. FFS.

3) The liability to HMRC of £80m is not recorded within net debt, it is listed within other liabilities and excluded from net debt - that's the point. If it had been paid, and as it will be when it is paid, it would have been/will be reflected in net debt. Which part of those words are you not getting? FFS.

4) Incidental detail you say - it's £80m, along with the £125m of trade finance - also missed from net debt. Along with the fact that net debt without year-end window dressing is £436m - the average monthly net debt over 6 months, not £315m as stdy and the believers keep stating. And I have to keep correcting. So net debt is actually £436m+80m+125m = £641m. Somewhat higher than £315m. Yet you call it incidental detail. FFS.

See note 12 of the half year results:




Then the fact that stdy pops up and says he totally agrees with your 'good posts'. FFS.


There was also another of the acolytes on here on the COST thread yesterday, with another irony bypass, or simple intelligence failure. Maybe both. FFS.




I keep saying I wouldn't like to see people lose money here without knowing the full picture. And that I don't like liars, hence I will keep correcting porkies and omissions. And the muppets on here keeps snarling and trying (weakly and somewhat pathetically, seeking safety in numbers) to shout me off this thread, that I'm liking my own posts(!) - yet no-one ever correctly (or even rationally) addresses the specifics. FFS.

See you soon.

[zicopele] 17/3/2021 20:12

Why not pluck some other name out of your ass? Maybe WH Smith might buy or even Rolls Royce or for that matter SMDS.

[ontheforks] 17/3/2021 19:51

Wonder if lloyds will put in a bid for kier living now they are thinking of getting into the house renting game instead of selling to houseing associations they can rent them out themselves.... thoughts people

[pric9447] 17/3/2021 19:31

Hmmm, so it does ??

[claymagnet] 17/3/2021 19:06

Thanks for that all, am I missing something here? does that not say 2020? Apologies for my ignorance.

[pric9447] 17/3/2021 18:46

Short increase 0.05% not 0.5%

[zicopele] 17/3/2021 18:45

Go to shorttracker for shorts. Only those above 0.5% are reported.

[claymagnet] 17/3/2021 18:38

Brenman where can I find the short info? I've had a look on lse and they did a similar move in 2020?

[stdyeddy] 17/3/2021 17:58

Thanks for the update 'forks. Always good to hear from the brickface. I'm not surprised to hear the £109m number. It's obvious there'll be some tough negotiating. I just hope that Davies pushes back and has at least one other bidder in the contest. If not, maybe the sale won't happen. Maybe that's why GLG have upped their short. They're alone though, for now. There are better shorts out there. Judging by the slow pace of vaccinations in Europe and beyond, the airlines are going to be stuffed for all of this year too, even if our domestic economy picks up.

IoM; good posts -- I totally agree.
And spartz; we love you, sort of. No need for you to continue the brexit argument. That was last year and the three years before. No one is interested anymore. Now it's just, live with it.

[brenman] 17/3/2021 17:29

GLG increased their short on kier yesterday by 0.5%. looks like they think it will be a rights issue too. but if the price holds up, they will get double burned on their liability to 'buy' the rights shares. brave move.

[itisonlymoney] 17/3/2021 17:15

sparty1, the majority like to eat too much, get fat and die prematurely. that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. read the Dmail, who cares. But if you want ppl to post endless stuff from the guardian and the FT on here about Europe to answer your Dmail blasts, then this thread will be unreadable for kie investors. chill out man. We all agree with you about kie.

[imastu pidgitaswell] 17/3/2021 15:55

Whether they did or didn't need it (it's delayed tax, not deferred tax, ffs) isn't the point. Lots of businesses took assistance, just in case - and rightly so. No-one knew the length and depth of the disruption.

The point is that the level of net financial debt they reported would have been £80m higher if they had not. It's no more complicated or nuanced than that.

[itisonlymoney] 17/3/2021 14:42

I don't think eddy offered an 'opinion' on europe sparty1. he said let us know in a year's time.

zicopele, kier said in the last rns that they had already started paying off the deferred tax. thye still held cash on the balance sheet that could have paid it off. claymagnet is right on this. they took the deferrment in case they need it because of the covid situation. turns out they didn't.

[sparty1] 17/3/2021 11:09

Why not buy one share and attend the next AGM zeropoint? You seem pretty
"obsessed" yourself.