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HMCX Hsbc Ftse250

1,953.60
9.50 (0.49%)
24 May 2024 - Closed
Delayed by 15 minutes
Name Symbol Market Type
Hsbc Ftse250 LSE:HMCX London Exchange Traded Fund
  Price Change % Change Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Traded Last Trade
  9.50 0.49% 1,953.60 1,951.20 1,956.00 1,955.40 1,928.60 1,929.60 14,401 16:29:59

Hsbc Ftse250 Discussion Threads

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DateSubjectAuthorDiscuss
23/1/2018
14:55
Seriously bad timed buy yesterday!Oh well, just as well I'm not trying to day trade!
gateside
23/1/2018
11:08
Note that SPX at end of P2 (02 May 2011) of the current Secular Bull had put on 105.55% (667:1371) which meant that it was running 57.23% richer than the corresponding point of the 1987/2000 Secular Bull. By the end of P3 (20 May 2015) the current Secular Bull had reached 2135 for a gain of 220.09% which was 78.05% richer than the corresponding stage of the previous period which didn't really get going until P4, at the end of which it had put on 215.28% (216:681).
nasdaqpat
22/1/2018
22:11
New aths all-round for America..weak dollar helping + Spending Bill shenanigans:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 22 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c301 business days. Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c503 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c489 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2227 days:-

NAS100~~48.58%~~(4648:6906)~~~~77.58%~~(3889:6906)~~~564.04%~~~(1040:6906)
NASComp~47.16%~~(5034:7408)~~~~75.96%~~(4210:7408)~~~485.15%~~~(1266:7408)
SPX~~~~~35.94%~~(2084:2833)~~~~56.52%~~(1810:2833)~~~324.74%~~~(667:2833)
DJI~~~~~46.58%~(17884:26215)~~~69.67%~(15451:26215)~~305.18%~~(6470:26215)

DJI's current Secular Bull now running 17.98% richer than the one of 1987/2000.
SPX's current Secular Bull now running 50.85% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
19/1/2018
22:33
I wish we could see some volatility...precious little so far. Also, what little weakness we have had has been painfully contained...a 4 day Down wave for FTSE of (01.40%) from 7793 to 7684 is nothing.
nasdaqpat
19/1/2018
21:37
Thanks for that summary of why the FTSE has been so poor compared to the DOW. Makes a lot of sense.

Held GSK for ages and I'm not much in profit with them. For ages talk comes around every now and then, saying it will reach 2000p only for it to fall back to nearer 1200p

Yes banks have been very poor over the years. I managed to sell HBOS before it fell and escape with a tiny loss! But got hit very badly by RBS and haven't bought a UK focused financial company since! Hence my liking for HSBA

Bit of an iffy week for my shares. A volatile year ahead that's for sure.

gateside
19/1/2018
21:25
Note the last sentence of the previous post.

I would suggest that the reason SPX is so far ahead of the comparative stage is because momentum in Nasdaq and Technology stocks did not gather pace until the last few years of the previous period (c1997/2000). By contrast, significant and fairly uniform Technology momentum has been in evidence throughout the current Secular Bull period.

nasdaqpat
19/1/2018
21:15
New aths for NAS100, NASComp and SPX. For once, DJI misses out:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 19 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c300 business days (DJI, c299 days). Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c501 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c488 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2226 days (DJI, c2225 days):-

NAS100~~47.22%~~(4648:6843)~~~~75.96%~~(3889:6843)~~~557.98%~~~(1040:6843)
NASComp~45.73%~~(5034:7336)~~~~74.25%~~(4210:7336)~~~479.46%~~~(1266:7336)
SPX~~~~~34.84%~~(2084:2810)~~~~55.25%~~(1810:2810)~~~321.29%~~~(667:2810)
DJI~~~~~46.24%~(17884:26153)~~~69.26%~(15451:26153)~~304.22%~~(6470:26153)

DJI's current Secular Bull still running 17.61% richer than the one of 1987/2000.
SPX's current Secular Bull now running 49.24% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
19/1/2018
18:46
Like myself, other Bears must be getting very frustrated with the American stock market. After all, assuming the correlation with 1996 is correct, its not as if we can expect a massive decline when there is eventually some weakness...little more than (10.00%) is expected and that may not happen until Q2, after which further upward momentum looks assured.
nasdaqpat
18/1/2018
20:39
Thanks Pat
invisage
18/1/2018
18:38
Initially a new ath for DJI first thing but some signs of weakness now:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 18 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c297 business days (DJI, c299 days). Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c501 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c485 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2223 days (DJI, c2225 days):-

NAS100~~47.07%~~(4648:6836)~~~~75.78%~~(3889:6836)~~~557.31%~~~(1040:6836)
NASComp~45.61%~~(5034:7330)~~~~74.11%~~(4210:7330)~~~478.99%~~~(1266:7330)
SPX~~~~~34.74%~~(2084:2808)~~~~55.14%~~(1810:2808)~~~320.99%~~~(667:2808)
DJI~~~~~46.24%~(17884:26153)~~~69.26%~(15451:26153)~~304.22%~~(6470:26153)

DJI's current Secular Bull now running 17.61% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
18/1/2018
03:09
My current DJI, P4 target of c26218 was based on DJI being c18.00% richer than at the end of the corresponding period's P5.

To arrive at this target, I compared the first two Phases of both Secular Bulls and noted that the current Bull was 13.62% ahead (+99.00% as opposed to +87.13%). However, I now think that was a mistake and that I should have been comparing P1 & P2 of the current period with just P1 of the previous period because the days elapsed were more similar (541 as opposed to 552). By this measure the current Bull was 31.35% ahead.

The second comparator should have been up to the end of the current period's P3 (1557 days & 183.63%) as opposed to the previous period's P3 & P4 (1575 days & 146.66%). By this measure the differential had reduced to 25.21%.

So, applying the same rate of attrition, I believe a better estimate for the current P4 is c20.27% richer than the previous period's P5 completion (2157 days) giving a revised target of c26598.

nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
23:45
It seems that DJI just needed refuelling:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 17 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c297 business days (DJI, c298 days). Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c500 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c485 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2223 days (DJI, c2224 days):-

NAS100~~47.07%~~(4648:6836)~~~~75.78%~~(3889:6836)~~~557.31%~~~(1040:6836)
NASComp~45.61%~~(5034:7330)~~~~74.11%~~(4210:7330)~~~478.99%~~~(1266:7330)
SPX~~~~~34.74%~~(2084:2808)~~~~55.14%~~(1810:2808)~~~320.99%~~~(667:2808)
DJI~~~~~46.11%~(17884:26130)~~~69.12%~(15451:26130)~~303.86%~~(6470:26130)

DJI's current Secular Bull now running 17.47% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
23:36
Yes, I think it may have something to do with the size of the FTSE100...a 30 company senior index like DAX & DJI would probably focus investment better. It certainly warrants a period of outperformance and may well get it.

However, FTSE has been badly affected by the deep and continued failure of the Banking sector (too many constituents) and the poor performances of companies like VOD, BT.A, GSK & BP. It has also been affected by the over-subscription of Mining companies and their period of malaise following the semi-bubbled highs c2007 (which they are now recovering from). The absence of key technology companies is also a massive drag.

nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
23:09
I just try to be nice when I can.But sainthood... Nah... I'm not that honourable!!!
gateside
17/1/2018
23:07
Up until recently it was Google but they seem to have dumped their historical prices but, fortunately, YAHOO finance has upgraded its offering in this area and it is now excellent.
nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
23:01
Gateside,

Maybe you should put yourself forward for a sainthood!

However, I must admit that the LTBH strategy that both you (unequivocally) and Invisage (purportedly) prefer has been far superior to mine and will almost certainly continue to do so until c2022.

nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
22:52
Pat, what's the best website for historical prices for the FTSE and the DOW?
gateside
17/1/2018
22:50
Update from BLT this evening. Morning time in Melbourne.Don't think that they are as strong as the update from RIO.
gateside
17/1/2018
22:46
Invisage,

Our portfolio is now private - to ADVFN users and others, anyway.

However, you could try XSPS or XT2D (2 x leveraged) for S&P 500 although, if Cable continues to rise, there are severe headwinds. For FTSE, I suggest XUKS.

nasdaqpat
17/1/2018
22:41
Hi Pat,

I was genuine when I said I hope your shares were doing well the other day. I think you thought I was being sarcastic I was not.

Maybe it's my line of work that my career is in, it calls for a lot of empathy for others. I see no point in gloating when others are not doing well.

You spend far more time analysing the Markets than I do and in time I'm sure you will easily out perform me.

I belive that our little competition had run its course anyway. If I get caught out as and when the Market corrects, I'm happy to come on here and say so.

gateside
17/1/2018
21:58
PatAre you still short?Which instruments are you using Pls? I will go short at somepoint....just need a blow off top in US markets to go short IMO
invisage
17/1/2018
21:11
It seems that DJI just needed refuelling:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 17 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c297 business days (DJI, c298 days). Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c500 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c485 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2223 days (DJI, c2224 days):-

NAS100~~47.07%~~(4648:6836)~~~~75.78%~~(3889:6836)~~~557.31%~~~(1040:6836)
NASComp~45.61%~~(5034:7330)~~~~74.11%~~(4210:7330)~~~478.99%~~~(1266:7330)
SPX~~~~~34.74%~~(2084:2808)~~~~55.14%~~(1810:2808)~~~320.99%~~~(667:2808)
DJI~~~~~46.11%~(17884:26130)~~~69.12%~(15451:26130)~~303.86%~~(6470:26130)

DJI's current Secular Bull now running 17.47% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
16/1/2018
20:13
By my methods, this intraday move to 25703 qualifies as a zero day Down wave being (01.47%) off the earlier ath of 26086. Could be a top but we Bears need to be prepared to endure an eleventh Up wave which has probably already started.

However, the prospect of a modest Segmental correction could well follow the almost inevitable further move beyond 26086.

nasdaqpat
16/1/2018
19:20
Yes, 25K to 26K in just 7 days but currently wobbling:-

Segmental, Phase & Secular Bull tallies for American Indices as at 16 January 2018. Generally, current American Segments started on 07 November 2016 and have run for c297 business days. Phase durations vary with DJI's current Bull Phase arguably beginning on 21 January 2016 @ 15451 making a duration of c499 days. The other 3 indices started their Bull Phases on 12 February 2016 so have been running for c485 days. In all cases, the current Secular Bulls started on 9 March 2009 and have now been running for c2223 days:-

NAS100~~47.07%~~(4648:6836)~~~~75.78%~~(3889:6836)~~~557.31%~~~(1040:6836)
NASComp~45.61%~~(5034:7330)~~~~74.11%~~(4210:7330)~~~478.99%~~~(1266:7330)
SPX~~~~~34.74%~~(2084:2808)~~~~55.14%~~(1810:2808)~~~320.99%~~~(667:2808)
DJI~~~~~45.86%~(17884:26086)~~~68.83%~(15451:26086)~~303.18%~~(6470:26086)

DJI's current Secular Bull now running 17.21% richer than the one of 1987/2000.

nasdaqpat
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