Celtic Share Discussion Threads

[louie76] 24/11/2006 18:27

Had a look at the year end report.Found Mr Desmond and Martin O'neill own or did own half the cpo shares between them.Has this got much significance,anybody any theories? or is there better things to be doing on a Friday night than this.....

[louie76] 24/11/2006 18:27

Had a look at the year end report.Found Mr Desmond and Martin O'neill own or did own half the cpo shares between them.Has this got much significance,anybody any theories? or is there better things to be doing on a Friday night than this.....

[lbo] 24/11/2006 18:24

Better buying the Ordindary shares at this price IMHO. Time to buy the CPOs was a while ago and short the shares.

Now time to buy the ordinary shares

[louie76] 24/11/2006 17:23

MON THE HOOPS

[louie76] 24/11/2006 17:21

HOPE YOUR RIGHT ABOUT THE PRICE,I'M A BIT OF A NOVICE TRYING TO WORK THIS OUT,LOST A GOOD FEW QUID ON THESE SHARES OVER THE YEARS.BOUGHT A BATCH AT £1.28,D'OH.MORE RECENTLY GOT IN AT 24P OR THERE ABOUTS.BOUGHT SOME CPO'S THIS MORNING CAN,T SEE HOW THEY CAN LOSE....

[lbo] 24/11/2006 17:05

The size of the cake is limited to as you say 3.9 ordinary shares which is about 31p

What usually happens is you get a rise in the share price to well above the conversion price approaching the date and then the mms fall of the bid on the date if they see any selling as they know its the CPO holders looking to sell.

So up to then the holders of the CPO shares will be pushing to get the share price as high as possible giving them the best opportunity to sell some of the shares and recover their capital

I agree the fall over the last 2 years would have been to allow the CPO holders to have a bigger slice of the cake but now the cake can't get any bigger and we should see the price rise again as this is now in their interests.

My money is on a rise to 40p short term

[louie76] 24/11/2006 16:57

BUT BETTER FOR THEM TO HAVE THE SHARES IN THE MONEY JUST AFTER THE CONVERSION DATE SO THEY HAVE A BIGGER SLICE OF THE CAKE?AT THE MOMENT MID PRICE FOR CPO SHARES 91P...(CCPC)

[lbo] 24/11/2006 16:51

Even if thats the case then they would convert at about 31p and I would still expect a strong run up in the shares to about 40p or above before September 2007. (more likely a lot sooner with them qualifying)

Its especially in the interests of the holders of the CPO shares to have the shares in the money when they covert. Some CPO holders if able would have also shorted the Ordinary shares and will also be looking to buy the shares back and close their positions ahead of the conversion and would be another reason for a futher rise in the share price.

[louie76] 24/11/2006 16:03

LBO,I THINK YOUR INFORMATION WAS CORRECT BEFORE THE LAST ISSUE BUT HAS NOW CHANGED MEANING THE CPO SHARES WILL CONVERT INTO A MAXIMUM OF 3.9 ORDINARY SHARES...

[lbo] 24/11/2006 12:03

NO

They will want the share price to be back around 40p (where it looks like its heading at the moment)



"Each NewConvertible Preferred Ordinary Share will convert into a maximum of 3.125 Ordinary Shares. Accordingly, the average middle market price will be deemed to be 40p even if the actual average market price falls below this level"

[louie76] 23/11/2006 19:05

can anyone confirm we are now in a situation where the ord share price creeping up could adversely effect the cpo shareholders conversion rate for september next year i.e. it is in their interest for the price to remain low until after the conversion date?

[lbo] 23/11/2006 15:34

Has anyone factored in how this guy is going to cause an explosion in Kit sales and Celtic in the Far east!

The Times November 23, 2006

Nakamura opens the door to further riches for Celtic
Phil Gordon

Japan has made its reputation by copying everything and then making it even better. Cars, electrical goods and now, it seems, footballers. Shunsuke Nakamura was already dubbed the "Beckham of the Far East" but Gordon Strachan believes the Celtic player can stand scrutiny with the original.
How ironic that Sir Alex Ferguson should be the one to suffer from Nakamura's ability to bend it like Beckham as 60,000 people were held in suspended animation before the elfin playmaker curled the 28-yard free kick over the Manchester United wall and beyond Edwin Van der Sar, to prompt an explosion of noise that shook the east end of Glasgow.

"Shunsuke is world class," Strachan said after the dust had settled on a remarkable night that saw Nakamura's goal - and Artur Boruc's penalty save from Louis Saha - take Celtic into the knockout stages of the Champions League for the first time. "To be able to do that, in that pressure situation, is something few people can do. David Beckham delivered two greater corners in a minute in the Champions League final in 1999 and that brought Manchester United the European Cup."

Strachan is far too streetwise to dream of Celtic lifting the famous silverware as they did in 1967 but his Japanese Bhoy could easily have given the Scottish champions untold riches. The club are already heavily involved in merchandising in the Far East and green and white Hoops are likely to be seen on even more backs in Tokyo as Japan savours its national hero.

Peter Lawwell, the Celtic chief executive, told The Times last month, that he expects the Nakamura factor to be even more lucrative than Roy Keane's signing last year. Lawwell would not identify the sum but it means millions of pounds for a club that is sixteenth in the world's rich-list and has a turnover of over £70 million, despite making just £1.2 million from domestic television rights.

"We are expanding our revenue base by going abroad with merchandise and have already seen the benefits of that in Japan with Shunsuke Nakamura's arrival," Lawwell said. There is already a range of Nakamura merchandise and sales of his No 25 shirt outstrip the rest of the team.

Celtic can expect to make about £16 million by reaching the last 16, from gate receipts, television fees and Uefa prize money. An immediate effect of Nakamura's goal was that Celtic's shares soared yesterday by 15 per cent. "The shares are up because of the win last night," Stan Lock, an analyst for Brewin Dolphin, said. "There are a few million pounds involved and the further you go the bigger it gets." The rise in the share price added about £4 million to the value of the club.

For Strachan, another - like Beckham - who has suffered from Fergie's temper, it was the ultimate payback for risking his own reputation on the 28-year-old. When the Celtic manager paid Reggina of Italy £2.8 million for the midfield player in August 2005, observers felt that Nakamura was too frail for the rigours of Scotland and after a calamitous appearance weeks later in the Old Firm derby against Rangers, that impression was justified.

However, Nakamura has long since vindicated Strachan. He works out every day after training to build up his upper body strength. He goes to the gym up in the corner of the stadium that overlooks the net where he buried that free kick against United, even after matches when he sits around in his kit politely discussing the game with the legion of Japanese reporters who have been camped in Glasgow for 16 months and follow his every move, turning up, without fail, whether it is freezing Inverness or sunny Lisbon.

"It was the best goal of my life," Nakamura said. "Van der Sar is one of the best goalkeepers in the world and now I have beaten him twice. The free kick at Old Trafford was good but this was better. There are a lot of young players outside Japan now and this has, hopefully, proved that they can be at this level."

With equal precision, the Celtic match programme had chosen Nakamura as its cover boy and in an interview - he still needs an interpreter but understands his colleagues in the heat of battle - Nakamura said: "Even if I was not playing for Celtic, there would be a lot of interest in this back home. The Champions League is a big thing in Japan. There will be a huge audience for the Manchester United game but, hopefully, all the Japanese people are supporting Celtic."

In the interview, Nakamura admitted that his own football viewing as a teenager in Yokohama was deeply Red, as he watched Manchester United dominate a decade ago, citing Eric Cantona as a favourite. What about Beckham? "People compare us but I think we have a totally different style," he said.

Nakamura enjoys Glasgow far more than Italy, recommending two sushi restaurants and the city's shops as compensation for the absent sunshine. Best of all, he says, are the fans. "They cheer you for the slightest thing and the European nights have been amazing."

Scotland gave Japan the Bay City Rollers, Japan has sent Nakamura in exchange. Can he take them all the way to No 1 in Europe?

Made in Japan, refined in Glasgow

Born and raised in the port city of Yokohama, Nakamura began playing soccer competitively at the age of 5, playing with the local youth club side, Misono FC, until he entered junior high school. In fifth grade, he was selected for Yokohama's city all-star team's tour of the former Soviet Union, even though the team was only meant to include sixth graders.

In 1997, 19-year-old Nakamura joined Yokohama Marinos of the J League, a club whose youth side he had played for when it was known as Nissan Motors FC. He made his debut with Marinos on April 16 of that year against Gamba Osaka.
Nakamura finished the season with 27 appearances and five goals.

Nakamura left Marinos during the 2002 season to join Reggina of Serie A, after the clubs agreed to a £1.8 million transfer fee after a six-month loan period.

Steve Perryman, the former Tottenham Hotspur player and the manager of J League clubs Shimizu S-Pulse and Kashiwa Reysol, once remarked that Nakamura was so good, he "could open a tin of beans with his left foot".

Zico, the national coach of Japan at the 2006 World Cup, lauded Nakamura's improvement, especially his physical development, stating, "He is the soul of our midfield."

[lbo] 22/11/2006 19:02

Should rise more IMHO to well over 40p





Did they not get about £10 million so far as Scotland's only competitors in the Champions League this year and now will earn at least £5m more as they have progressed into the last 16.




David Glen of PricewaterhouseCoopers revealed the Hoops could expect to make an amount similar to the £15.5million Rangers banked when they reached the last 16.

He said: "We do have a comparator with Rangers last season.

"They actually published in their accounts last year the impact of reaching the last 16. They grossed about £15.5million and Celtic have now achieved the same feat.

[mickinvest] 22/11/2006 18:54

Hector

You never missed much.MM's weren't letting any more than 5k go at a time early doors.

[hectorp] 22/11/2006 17:08

Well I missed that play by going out for most of the day , blast it. I was gonna buy these this AM. Hearts man I am, but no going to miss this value stock.
I'll leave it a week or two. After all the sort of lads who hold a few K each of these are the bare-ersed tattie munchers, they need the dosh for a swally o buckie.! They will come back a couple of pee.

PS well done to Celtic's team, can't grudge them that, a SCOTTISH team beating MAn U.

[father o toole] 22/11/2006 15:45

trader

they have rose by near 50% from 23p i think they may struggle to go much higher for a while as the last placing was done at 30p. They are however in good finanical shape and are IMHO worth over £100m or much more if they get into the premiership, i dont forsee Dermot Desmond selling his stake for a long time as he has just made over £700m profit from selling london city airport and he was a billionaire before that.

[traderabc] 22/11/2006 14:37

Up 15% today, anyone know why? Bought into this on a Hugh Henry reccomendation about a year ago. We are still trading at over 90% down from its highs.What's going on with this club? It cant just be yesterdays game,this has been edging up since Sept.

[ariesr] 22/11/2006 14:37

netcurtains - 06 Nov'01 - 13:26


It currently has a market capitalisation of about £25M.
This is about 50% less then the big Premiership clubs.
Celtic are meant to be getting into the Premiership - is it next year?

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Every year folk say that. Prolly into Division 1 to begin with, and probably by 2012.

[mickinvest] 22/11/2006 14:12

All p!ssed up on this thread :>)

[traderabc] 22/11/2006 14:10

Is there another thread for this or has everyone lost intrest? Up 15% today, anyone know why? Bought into this on a Hugh Henry reccomendation about a year ago. We are still trading at over 90% down from its highs.What's going on with this club?

[ibrox] 22/11/2006 13:01

Edit - actually hope you get beat by newcastle or Totn in the UEFA!