Amd Commo Exagr Discussion Threads

[loverat] 30/8/2009 21:41

This is another exchange which fascinates me. O.K, visualise the landscape - SL has just gone and 'painting' who has '15 years of experience in Asian markets' has stopped posting to pursue other oppotunities. Allnutt is now in the hot seat and all of a sudden up pops 'Winterfun' with this....


Winterfun - 30 May'08 - 02:29 - 8704 of 8916

the company is run by someone in Cornwall (their new global HQ!) who seems to have no experience in China, private equity, fund managment, banking, or anything else relevant to what LDC is supposed to be doing. They've announced the closure of their offices in China, so presumably the staff that had any idea of how to run the business have disappeared, so who is going to manage their assets and generate any income? No surprise people heading for the exit. What institutional investor is going to back this?



And in response 'tenniselbow' a new poster with just a couple of months of postings under his belt responds as follows:


tenniselbow - 30 May'08 - 09:12 - 8705 of 8916

Does Painting return ( Winterfun )



Now, 'painting' was always positive on the stock so why would 'tenniselbow' associate a negative post such as the above with 'painting'? Must admit I sensed a distinct air of tension when reading that exchange and that which followed.

[loverat] 30/8/2009 21:07

Anyway - going back to my analysis of posts earlier I see cougar6 also posts with a gap between the end of the sentence and question/exclaimation mark.

Quite common so it seems - at least on the LDC thread.



cougar6 - 24 Aug'03 - 09:50 - 627 of 775


If the deal is so good it would be logical for them to be bought out, why pass 12 mil to another company when it has little cash !!!

cougar6 - 23 Sep'03 - 13:43 - 253 of 1452


thanks for buying my stock over the last few days hope it moves for you all !!



cougar6 - 16 Oct'03 - 18:04 - 18 of 3365


does any one have the resoulations for the agm and proxy form with them on ? prob have the most shares on this board


cougar6 - 15 Oct'03 - 17:50 - 248 of 747


also on the board of epe ?


cougar6 - 5 Mar'06 - 08:28 - 43018 of 59023
The Facts are clear the company will not get back any of its money , the legal team no this and are just taking your money £500k on fees you need to take action before all is lost ?

[loverat] 30/8/2009 20:48

Anyway - here is the report from the latest COMG Annual Return/ current appointments....


Company Register Information
Company Number: 03790906 Date of Incorporation:11/06/1999
Company Name: COMMODITY GROWTH PLC
Registered Office: 8 FIR VALE ROAD


BOURNEMOUTH

UNITED KINGDOM

BH1 2JG

Company Type: Public Limited Company

Country of Origin: United Kingdom

Status: Active

Nature Of Business (SIC(92)): 7487 - Other business activities
Number of Charges: ( 0 outstanding / 0 part satisfied / 0 satisfied)




Previous Names


Date of Change Previous Name

08/08/2007 EUROPASIA EDUCATION PLC
07/01/2003 STARTIT.COM PLC.
22/06/1999 START IT.COM PLC




Key Filing Dates






Accounting Reference Date: 31/12

Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/12/2006 (GROUP)

Next Accounts Due: 31/07/2008 OVERDUE

Last Return Made Up To: 11/06/2009

Next Return Due: 09/07/2010





Last members list: 11/06/2009

Last Bulk Shareholders List: 11/06/2009



Current Appointments
Number of current appointments: 5





SECRETARY: MILES, MICHAEL GRUSZEWICZ

No. of Appointments: 14



DIRECTOR: ALLNUTT, GEORGE PATRICK

No. of Appointments: 17


DIRECTOR: HOLMES, JAMES DOMINIC RUPERT MR

No. of Appointments: 43



DIRECTOR: LITTLEWOOD, SIMON MR


No. of Appointments: 34


DIRECTOR: NG, VICTOR

No. of Appointments: 1


This Report excludes resignations


Recent Filing History
Documents filed since 29/03/2008

DATE FORM DESCRIPTION
17/07/2009 363a RETURN MADE UP TO 11/06/09; BULK LIST AVAILABLE SEPARATELY
18/06/2009 288c DIRECTOR'S PARTICULARS VICTOR NG
12/08/2008 363s RETURN MADE UP TO 11/06/08; BULK LIST AVAILABLE SEPARATELY
29/03/2008 287 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 29/03/08 FROM:197 PROVIDENCE SQUARELONDONSE1 2DG




This Report excludes 88(2) Share Allotment documents

[loverat] 30/8/2009 20:27

Thanks - egoi. Much of it was initially based on the concerns expressed in your posts.

Anyway - to all readers just a reminder to be careful what you post as people are now taking a great interest in this thread.




egoi - one of my favourites...

[loverat] 30/8/2009 19:58

O.K - let me explain.

'tenniselbow' in the posts above includes a question or exclaimation mark not immediately after the preceding sentence but he leaves a gap. It is a habit of his which is present in all his posts but one. 'Letsgotowork' seems to have the same problem but tries to disguise his post (because he is replying to tenniselbow) with two question marks after his sentence rather than one but still leaves the gap.

Having read the LDC thread and elsewhere, about five in every six posters do not leave a gap in this way and post question and exclaimation marks immediately after the last word in the sentence without a gap. Obviously there is a danger of over analysing such data hence this is just used to back up any findings based on content and knowledge which are less than 100% safe. Hopefully Interesting nevertheless.

[egoi] 30/8/2009 19:36

'Loverat - 30 Aug'09 - 18:06 - 345 of 345
Think I said here before that there are a few other posters on LDC which I have concerns about....'

Darn it LR, must've missed that bit - obviously I spend too long on youtube! -:)))

Seriously, keep up the good work!

[loverat] 30/8/2009 18:06

Think I said here before that there are a few other posters on LDC which I have concerns about. 'tenniselbow' is one and his posts made in the days when suspension was looming could possibly be significant going forward. I am pretty sure of his identity after some further research over the last week and that will be added to my submissions.

Anyway - are any of you guys handwriting experts? I hear handwriting is very difficult to disguise. In my view, posts are just the same as no matter how hard people try there are always habits they cannot break.

Not saying this is conclusive by any stretch of the imagination but take a look at these posts by 'tennis elbow' and 'LetsGoToWork' and see if you agree that they are likely to be the same person. Do not worry about the content of the posts but pay attention to the punctuation in particular.



tenniselbow - 8 Mar'08 - 15:20 - 8576 of 8797
Feel this share is being talked down, are the board going to make a Bid !!!


tenniselbow - 28 Mar'08 - 19:06 - 8609 of 8797
Martin how are the directors pocketing large amounts ?


tenniselbow - 28 Mar'08 - 20:45 - 8611 of 8797
Name one director that does this ??


tenniselbow - 31 Mar'08 - 07:36 - 8615 of 8797
would have thought 3% holding by Mr Littlewood is significant !!


tenniselbow - 14 May'08 - 15:21 - 8682 of 8797
Has anyone talked to the new MD ?

tenniselbow - 30 May'08 - 08:12 - 8705 of 8797
Does Painting return ( Winterfun )

tenniselbow - 8 Jun'08 - 20:55 - 8723 of 8797
has anyone spoken to the new ceo ?

tenniselbow - 26 Aug'08 - 12:04 - 8757 of 8797
Eastsea does LDC still hold ?

tenniselbow - 20 Oct'08 - 17:53 - 8784 of 8797
I think the FSA have enough on their plates! but it's interesting that Allnut was removed from the board of China bio foods when it is alleged he refused to sign off their accounts and had reservations
about their operations. I don't think he's 'in bed' with Littlewood and I think the next 3 months will prove this as there appears to be action going on. Lets see what the calibre of the new directors apparently being brought in by allnutt, are like.

LETSGOTOWORK - 20 Oct'08 - 14:50 - 8782 of 8797
nickcduk, I agree, Allnutt has been involved but to want extent was he involved in the overall decision making as a non exec ?? Don't get me wrong, I'm not singing Allnutts praises here. However, we need to remember that Littlewood didn't get the backing he wanted by investors / the city, threw his
toys out of his pram and resigned. As far as I'm concerened the buck stopped at the top, and that was Littlewood. All I'm saying is(without wishing to repeat myself)is that Allnutt has remained on board (no pun intended), has issued a statement saying he wants to get to the botttom of the companies activities under Littlewood, has appointed a new CEO to do just that. In my opinion, Negal needs to be given time to try and sort out this company, discover whats happend and come up with a plan to get us out. Let's watch this space..........

LETSGOTOWORK - 21 Oct'08 - 09:25 - 8785 of 8797
Morning, thanks for the post Irene. I honestly don't know the answers to your questions, however, I got straight through to George Allnutt yesterday and he was happy to answer my questions where he could. I would suggest you give him a call ?? In my opinion, he can't release a statement, and probably doesn't wish to, until he has some solid facts to hand. It should also be down to the CEO to
release such a statement. However, I would rather Negal concentrate on his "exploratory" work. Tennis, I agree with your comments, why was Allnutt removed from the board ?? Was Allnutt not playing ball ?? Would he not fall into line ??
Doesn't sound like a "bosom buddy" of Littlewoods to me ??

Regards

[loverat] 30/8/2009 16:17

California Joe - 1 May'09 - 22:54 - 709 of 812


I know many responded to requests for various letters to the court but not I!




Oh well - I guess CJ must have his own reasons. Mind you - I would imagine that there were loads of other letters in support - and I am sure someone of cougar's standing would have submitted something in support of his friend.

[loverat] 30/8/2009 16:03

Must admit, that was a glowing tribute from Anomalous about Cougar6 which I posted above. They must be very close friends.

If I received such a tribute I would wish to show my gratitude in some way. I remember California Joe stated at one time that he was was good friends with Anomalous and I was quite taken aback by this little exchange a while back concerning the court case Smith (Anonamous) V ADVFN and the character references sent to the court by his supporters.



Loverat - 1 May'09 - 22:51 - 707 of 812 edit


CJ - Your submission was amongst the others which was referred to as 'character references'. I expect there were so many letters in support that Eady could not individually name all those who wrote them.



California Joe - 1 May'09 - 22:54 - 709 of 812


Loverat, I would be surprised as I never supplied a character reference to my knowledge! I know many responded to requests for various letters to the court but not I!

[don muang] 30/8/2009 10:56

I think I've stumbled across the LDC 5-year plan:

[mack7heknife] 29/8/2009 13:54

fantastic loverat keep it up .

[loverat] 29/8/2009 08:51

In view of what Anom said about cougar's qualities and his directorship of the Investors Support Fund some may think, on the face of it, that cougar is another white knight attempting to save shareholders in troubled companies.

But I have presented another side of things over the past few months. As I have said here before some of the people I have mentioned are in the public eye and have responsibilities to their shareholders. Most importantly, some have presented themselves as whiter than white. Therefore it is only right that they come under the scutiny of shareholders affected by their activities and fair and right minded people.

There are many details that I cannot post for obvious reasons but here is a very, very basic summary of events.

Around the beginning of his ADVFN posting career cougar set up the AND thread and bought a substantial holding. When his reverse takeover failed he threw a paddy which lasted years and resulted in a campaign of deramping and seemingly unsupported allegations against the company and directors posted on this site.

In 2002, after ramping Netvest (LDC)on the BB and purchasing a large stake he joined the board of Netvest/LDC. He was also on the board of COMG and occasionally posted postive posts in support of both companies which included arguing with posters/shareholders. Anomalous, under various user names also declared himself a shareholder, making numerous posts stating that he knows the 'brains behind the business'. His view was that the directors in these companies were 'first rate' and 'genius'.

We also know that cougar6 was active in the Room Service scandal - along with Anomalous who co-ordinated the action group.

In 2006 cougar joined the board of the Investors Support Fund along with Anomalous and two others. A noble idea which was set up in a blaze of positive publicity. All four directors post on this site. I have already reported my findings regarding one of the other directors concerning a company called EVS.

In 2007 COMG announced a change of strategy and parts of the business, including the Bournemouth Language School were sold to Allnutt and Holmes for
70K. This amount was thought to be 'reasonable' by Littlewood and the other directors. COMG subsequenty was suspended shortly afterwards and seems to be no word of the accounts. In 2008 LDC was suspended and Allnutt took over temporary charge to sort out the mess. Currently a new management team are trying to trace and realise value on the various assets scattered all over the place.

So, we have several failed AIM companies where questions remain unanswered and question marks over numerous other connected companies to this outfit. We have one director of LDC/COMG posting here anonymously over a period of several years.(and there will be more) And we have a 'charity' set up which never left the ground (and seemingly is on it's last legs)

On the face of it, not very impressive is it?

[loverat] 29/8/2009 07:56

Anomalous - 5 Dec'05 - 00:39 - 35116 of 35122

'If that wasn't enough, he's even backed Action Groups and I trust this gentleman implicitly' .





And what action groups has cougar6 backed? Oh yes - Room Service.....but do you really think his involvement with that was purely to assist other shareholders?



Broker in firing line again on Room Service


By James Moore
Published: 12:01AM GMT 29 Nov 2003

Stockbroker Evolution Beeson Gregory is facing a second potential legal action from a major investor in Room Service Group, it emerged yesterday.

West country entrepreneur George Allnutt claims the short selling activities of Evolution Beeson Gregory prevented him from launching a reverse takeover of the company, currently a debt ridden cash shell.

Mr Allnut said yesterday he had paid for 10m shares in the company equating to around 8.2pc of the share capital but has been unable to take possession of his shares because of the settlement problems surrounding the company's shares.

"I am planning to file a writ. These actions prevented us from tabling our proposals. I have access to three companies which could have been reversed into Room Service," he said.

[loverat] 29/8/2009 07:24

Surely not the same 'bona fide genius' who was on the board of COMG and LDC and posted this on the LDC thread?


cougar6 - 19 Jul'07 - 15:49 - 7972 of 8797
sorry to see your blind slapdash

[loverat] 28/8/2009 17:55

tyranosaurus - 8 Mar'02 - 22:05 - 45 of 203


game_boy

We may be argumentative when it comes to RNS timing but I agree with your comments to cougar6. Can`t even spell Andaman right.



cougar - ever considered why your offer was turned down? Some people are funny about spelling mistakes. Something trivial like that can make the difference between a reverse takeover and no reverse takeover.

[loverat] 28/8/2009 16:01

cougar6 - 20 May'02 - 19:12 - 110 of 203


Titanic its only a small hole copared to the rest of the ship ? game-boy I always look on the bright side, but also look at facts. I have a large holding in NETVEST which has been given a rough time on this board but watch it fly in the next 6 weeks trust me !


And six weeks later he was sitting in the directors seat......

[loverat] 28/8/2009 15:56

Netvest thread

cougar6 - 26 Sep'02 - 10:04 - 20 of 56


The company is under new direction and they are only looking at cash generating companies and you can ring the directors for information and they will respond. all those who want to sell will have done so by the end of the week the mm are short of stock or holding as they see profit from this share. the directoirs cannot buy as the accounts are due ?


Dunno cougar - I would have thought you were in a better position to know that.

[loverat] 28/8/2009 10:28

And this was not long before his involvment in NVC/LDC which I mentioned here previously. The knockback would also possibly explain the negative posts made by cougar6 against the directors of AND/GON.


King Rat - 12 Mar'02 - 13:08 - 56 of 93


This may explain Mr. Allnut's (not Zen) interest in NVC. Incidentally, he didn't get Andaman.

Regards.

King Rat


09Sep2001 UK: SHAREHOLDER FORWARDS HIS REVERSE PLAN.

A PRIVATE shareholder in cash shell Andaman Resources has been building a stake with the aim of making a reverse takeover of the AIM-listed group. George Allnut has built a seven per cent stake in Andaman and is preparing to lobby other shareholders to allow him to reverse one of his privately owned businesses into the group. Allnut controls a number of companies, the biggest of which, Photo Distribution, is the most likely vehicle for the reverse bid. Falmouth-based Photo Distribution specialises in transporting printed materials. According to Allnut, the group's last full-year figures showed profits of just £100,000 before tax. Allnut, who has built up his stake in Andaman in several stages over the past year, said he had contacted the board of the shell company, headed by chairman Arthur Cruttenden, but had not had a response to his plans. 'My next move will be to canvas shareholders who I hope I can convince of my plans,' Allnut said. Andaman is a dormant business with a share price of just 11/4p and a market value of just over £1 million. Its aim is to seek investment in the media and healthcare sectors.

Source: MAIL ON SUNDAY 09/09/2001

[loverat] 28/8/2009 10:23

Some very interesting Netvest threads (NVC) which was LDC prior to name change.
Lots of ramping going on there before and after this appointment.



Littlewood - 4 Jul'02 - 13:00 - 66 of 93


The Company is pleased to announce that George Patrick Allnutt, aged 56, has
been appointed a director of the Company. George Allnutt is a substantial
shareholder in netvest, holding 3,400,000 ordinary shares, 24.3% of the issued
share capital of the Company.

Over the past 30 years George Allnutt has developed several successful UK
electronic and engineering businesses. In addition, he has developed a varied
portfolio of commercial and residential properties. He is currently chairman of
Photo Distribution Limited, a logistics company.

Said Simon Littlewood: 'we are very pleased to have someone of George's
experience on the Board. George has a track record of working with and growing
fledgling companies, and will take over the management of netvest's existing
portfolio and be responsible for making new acquisitions in the UK going
forward. Netvest has identified several opportunities to acquire profitable
technology businesses in China, which will enable our UK investments to tap
into the potential of the Chinese market and outsource to a low cost
environment. We look forward to announcing the first such deal in the near
future.'

Said George: 'I am very excited at the opportunities available to Netvest at
this time. The collapse in the value of technology companies has created
attractive opportunities to build up a portfolio of well managed, profitable
companies that would previously have been able to go to IPO but in today's
difficult climate are unable to.'




And seems someone had cougar6 sussed long before I looked at these threads.. I also note painting and a serial ramper called 'Zen' frequented the boards.


GreenRichard - 29 Nov'01 - 15:41 - 676 of 718


cougar - are you either G Allnut or George House holdings Ltd? Or both?

[loverat] 27/8/2009 16:51

Egoi

I see you posted there sometime back. I'll check the links out later - I think I need to register.

[loverat] 27/8/2009 15:21

Some stats for you. Although I am pretty much the only person who posts here the number and in some cases, the location of readers visiting this thread is interesting. The figures below are for the last 30 days. They do not include my visits.

In all - over 1500 visits ( i.e 50 a day by other people)


The main locations of my readers and number of visits:

London and surrounding regions 300
Bournemouth 82
Cambridge 62
Ljubljana 60
Beijing 50
Rotherham 33
Bristol 32
Coventry 31
Birmingham 29
Newbury 28
Melbourne 27

[egoi] 27/8/2009 08:52

So now we go to the (real life) - and imho colourful - Driscoll brothers, Andaman, Synthetic, Transad,(and thereby, though only eventually, Catalyst!)........

[loverat] 27/8/2009 08:33

Now I've some across this company which was set up to create a charity for investors who have been defrauded and lost money on the stock market. I wonder if they accept credit cards?

The Investors Support Fund


30/07/2009 First notification of strike-off action in London Gazette (section 652)
24/07/2009 First notice from Companies House to dissolve company in 3 months
05/06/2009 Change among directors of a company