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TSLA 1x Tsla

355.20
-0.30 (-0.08%)
20 Jun 2024 - Closed
Delayed by 15 minutes
Name Symbol Market Type
1x Tsla LSE:TSLA London Exchange Traded Fund
  Price Change % Change Price Bid Price Offer Price High Price Low Price Open Price Traded Last Trade
  -0.30 -0.08% 355.20 341.80 368.60 387.65 329.975 360.80 959 16:29:57

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29/4/2024
18:10
Spend money on adaptation and resilience - domestically, rather than spending money that benefits mainly China financially and encourages ongoing exploitation of (mostly young) manual labour.

Reframed creatively as 'artesanal', which has positive associations, normally used for 'nice' things like baked bread and artistic craftmanship, masking the grim reality.

extrader
29/4/2024
17:51
Simon
As I've said before I think the age of private car ownership is coming to an end
Dominic
Climate change is very real: whether or not it's man made is questionable - but also unimportant. The Polar icecaps are on their way out!

hosede
29/4/2024
17:33
I like my model 3 long 4D
0 to 60......beautiful. And I don't give a fig for saving the planet. I don't believe in man made climate change, or Covid vaccines, or the Democrats and especially U.S. Law (how could anyone?).

dominiccummings
29/4/2024
17:19
Hosede,

It's still early days in the development of EV battery technology. If the Japanese breakthrough with Solid State:


The advantages of solid-state batteries

Solid-state batteries make a good alternative to conventional lithium-ion batteries for several reasons:

Size. The solid electrolyte potentially replaces the need for a separator, which could take up less space than a liquid electrolyte, so solid-state batteries can be made smaller than conventional lithium-ion batteries. Recent scientific advances mean this could eventually be applied to short-haul aircraft and heavy trucks.

Weight. Lithium is the lightest metal element, so the lithium metal anode in solid-state batteries – and the ability to carry higher energy density in a smaller package – make them a lighter option for EVs. As EVs slowly get bigger, so must the batteries that power them. This increase in weight means the focus is moving from exhausts to other sources of pollution, such as tyre particulates. That creates a compelling case to reduce the weight of EVs (and their batteries), to reduce tyre wear and the number of particles released from them.

Safety. Lithium-ion batteries contain a volatile, flammable liquid electrolyte, which can cause fires. In contrast, solid-state batteries can tolerate higher temperatures and have a higher thermal stability, which makes them a safer alternative.

Greater capacity and range. Smaller size and increased energy density means more can be packed into less. This potentially increases mileage, with at least one manufacturer claiming that they will be able to drive 745 miles on one charge.

Faster recharging. Lithium-ion batteries in EVs typically take somewhere between 20 minutes to twelve hours to recharge. Solid-state batteries could take as little as 10 or 15 minutes to obtain at least 80% charge. Moreover, solid-state batteries can be charged 5 times more than lithium-ion batteries over their lifecycle, increasing longevity.

Lower carbon footprint. Fewer materials are used in making solid-state batteries, which could reduce their climate impact by 39% compared to lithium-ion batteries.

simon gordon
29/4/2024
16:36
So why waste breath on personal criticism, rubbishing the self driving and AI, and repeating that you expect the share price to go down, when then it goes up?
(Actually, you hosede are not so bad. The others in the conversation are just hoping!

dominiccummings
29/4/2024
16:31
Dominic
We're not Tesla haters - we just think it's ludicrously overvalued and this sort of thing doesn't help
an

hosede
29/4/2024
16:25
Ha ha ha.... one day you Tesla haters will be right....... but not now.
dominiccummings
29/4/2024
14:49
Well if it's NOT a free market, it will be tilted against Tesla and in favour of home brands
hosede
29/4/2024
14:39
It took a while for the options market to open up after that large volatility move. 16000 June strikes can be had for less than a dollar per day.
hpcg
29/4/2024
14:13
Depends if you think it's a free market in China or not.
bjfanc
29/4/2024
13:58
With 123 manufacturers in China (some artificially backed by the govt.) how can there not be a price war?
hosede
29/4/2024
13:54
Difficult to know, if decisions were also made about the price war in China.
bjfanc
29/4/2024
12:55
Up 18 in the premarket! Is this permission in China really worth $55 Bn?
hosede
29/4/2024
11:51
H,

As well as allocating capital and setting strategic goals, he's a brand ambassador.

Branson was brilliant at this, creating fun, inspiration and aspiration.

Jobs was good at inspiration and aspiration.

What does Musk offer? Doxing, ranting and conspiracy theories!

simon gordon
29/4/2024
11:40
We'll have to see how the market reacts to this move in early trading. If it is sold into then it means large holders are continuing to distribute.
hpcg
29/4/2024
11:30
Musk is deluded in the sense that he thinks he is adding IP to the company, as implied by what he said about AI development. The external world, or at least the entertainment industry, still has a concept of a lone wolf scientist / engineer / developer making the big steps forward. It just doesn't happen. Even breakthroughs made by individuals sit on the framework or published papers and research that they have imbibed, and the conversations and ideas they have had with peers.

As CEO he is allocating capital and setting strategic goals. In that context the Cybertruck has been a disaster. Then we have the humanoid robot, which I am reasonably certain results from Musk's resentment at paying any workers. The conflict with his now former senior lieutenants over strategy is another red flag. They will be much closer to the reality of where robotaxis are. I would imagine almost no one reports up bad news, or if they do it stops at the level below Musk. He is very unlikely to be making decisions on the full facts.

I guess the only way of investing in BYD is through Berkshire Hathaway which has 8%. The trouble is even if BYD becomes a $2tn market cap company that only adds 15-20% to BRKs market cap.

hpcg
28/4/2024
22:15
Par for the course Monty
hosede
28/4/2024
21:33
I think it's all going to end in tears.
montyhedge
28/4/2024
21:21
Bluster,

The compos mentis of the people in leadership positions in a company is paramount.

A red flag in AGFX was Digby Jones as Chairman, some would say I am negative on him because of Brexit or his politics. To me, it was his utterances that made me question his leadership position.

I think it was Musk's hyping of crypto that made me start to pay attention to his utterances. Was it dogecoin. Some business analysts think he's a huckster and a charlatan. Some a gambler who got lucky. Others think he is a genius.

My business heroes are humble, like Ernest Harrison at Racal. The BYD leader looks pretty switched on and is moving ahead of Tesla in making mass-market EVs.

simon gordon
28/4/2024
21:08
Hi Bluster,

My interest in Tesla is the business drama. Musk's political diatribes are an angle in the story.

He looks to have lost his mind on Twitter and now some owners are putting bumper stickers on their cars and the Tesla brand is being damaged. That's bad business.

simon gordon
28/4/2024
21:03
Good to see you posting again, Simon.

I did wonder whether or not your interest here was political - thanks for confirming.



“Musk had it all, then lost his mind on Twitter. Wang Chuanfu is getting on with creating a clean energy behemoth.“

blusteradjuster
28/4/2024
18:15
hpcg: Having gravity working in your favour makes it a hell of a lot easier!
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