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[cfb2] 30/4/2024 13:18

hosede: Coal made up 70% of China's electricity in 2011. As of 2023 it was 54% but that should be considered in conjunction with the fact that their power usage has been increasing YoY by around 5%.

In addition, in 2024 Russia has been exporting coal to China at rock bottom prices because of sanctions.

China's manufacturing is running at full speed and whilst their renewable sources are increasing so are their power requirements.

EVs will be using electricity but as renewable sources increase their contributions to their grid will require battery storage. What better to way to store and smooth out energy in a distributed manner than EVs?

Just because China is still using coal at the moment, as they shift away from it EVs will be part of their plan to move to be carbon neutral by 2060.

[johnwise] 30/4/2024 11:36

The Tory New Green Windmill Deal..To make electricity unaffordable

Video



Video: Mark Levin sussed the government scam
The truth about global warming


If Zero CO2 was ever achieved every tree on the planet would die
VIDEO: A Dearth of Carbon Dr. Patrick Moore

[hosede] 30/4/2024 11:21

Don't forget - 70% of china's electricity is produced by coal

[cfb2] 30/4/2024 11:06

Stupidity has no limits..
Oh the irony!

Absolute madness How about pilotless planes next?
They already exist for shipping cargo.

Tesla Partners with Baidu for Full Self-Driving Rollout in China
Baidu was already providing mapping data. It was essential for Tesla to partner with a Chinese firm to make inroads.

It'll be interesting if China has FSD approved before the rest of the world as various countries are quoting privacy concerns about having camera on the outside of a vehicle.

[che7win] 30/4/2024 07:53

There is also the extra electricity wasted when charging degraded batteries due to the extra resistivity.

[johnwise] 30/4/2024 06:47

Stupidity has no limits..

Absolute madness How about pilotless planes next?

Tesla Partners with Baidu for Full Self-Driving Rollout in China

Tesla shares jumped in premarket trading in New York after Bloomberg reported that Beijing had given Tesla the 'greenlight' to roll out its driver-assistance system, known as "Full Self-Driving," or FSD, in the world's largest car market.

[hosede] 29/4/2024 19:35

Patience Juliemara - it will go well below 100 in due course - but I've found over the years that taking profits is the way forward - so I closed just before the results . As commentators said - the bad news was probabbly already in the price.
That's the great thing about shorting Tesla: it bounces about so if you time it right (I don't always)you can keep making money and if you have to stay in for a while, the interest on the short brings in £200 -250 a week

[juliemara] 29/4/2024 19:13

Of course you did. But why when in the previous post you said it was going to $100? A liar and a fool!

[hosede] 29/4/2024 18:55

Juliemara
Nothing goes in straight lines. I closed my short below 150 for a 50k profit. I guess I'll be back shorting again soon. I have to admit I didn't see this massive overreaction to Musks China visit.
Oh and 200 is still a point or two away

[hosede] 29/4/2024 18:52

Yes ability to recycle the batteries is extremely important. But why do cars need to go so fast? A top speed of 80mph is plenty. Or as someone posted earlier a horse and cart doing 12-15 is actually enough

[extrader] 29/4/2024 18:10

Spend money on adaptation and resilience - domestically, rather than spending money that benefits mainly China financially and encourages ongoing exploitation of (mostly young) manual labour.

Reframed creatively as 'artesanal', which has positive associations, normally used for 'nice' things like baked bread and artistic craftmanship, masking the grim reality.

[hosede] 29/4/2024 17:51

Simon
As I've said before I think the age of private car ownership is coming to an end
Dominic
Climate change is very real: whether or not it's man made is questionable - but also unimportant. The Polar icecaps are on their way out!

[dominiccummings] 29/4/2024 17:33

I like my model 3 long 4D
0 to 60......beautiful. And I don't give a fig for saving the planet. I don't believe in man made climate change, or Covid vaccines, or the Democrats and especially U.S. Law (how could anyone?).

[simon gordon] 29/4/2024 17:19

Hosede,

It's still early days in the development of EV battery technology. If the Japanese breakthrough with Solid State:


The advantages of solid-state batteries

Solid-state batteries make a good alternative to conventional lithium-ion batteries for several reasons:

Size. The solid electrolyte potentially replaces the need for a separator, which could take up less space than a liquid electrolyte, so solid-state batteries can be made smaller than conventional lithium-ion batteries. Recent scientific advances mean this could eventually be applied to short-haul aircraft and heavy trucks.

Weight. Lithium is the lightest metal element, so the lithium metal anode in solid-state batteries – and the ability to carry higher energy density in a smaller package – make them a lighter option for EVs. As EVs slowly get bigger, so must the batteries that power them. This increase in weight means the focus is moving from exhausts to other sources of pollution, such as tyre particulates. That creates a compelling case to reduce the weight of EVs (and their batteries), to reduce tyre wear and the number of particles released from them.

Safety. Lithium-ion batteries contain a volatile, flammable liquid electrolyte, which can cause fires. In contrast, solid-state batteries can tolerate higher temperatures and have a higher thermal stability, which makes them a safer alternative.

Greater capacity and range. Smaller size and increased energy density means more can be packed into less. This potentially increases mileage, with at least one manufacturer claiming that they will be able to drive 745 miles on one charge.

Faster recharging. Lithium-ion batteries in EVs typically take somewhere between 20 minutes to twelve hours to recharge. Solid-state batteries could take as little as 10 or 15 minutes to obtain at least 80% charge. Moreover, solid-state batteries can be charged 5 times more than lithium-ion batteries over their lifecycle, increasing longevity.

Lower carbon footprint. Fewer materials are used in making solid-state batteries, which could reduce their climate impact by 39% compared to lithium-ion batteries.

[dominiccummings] 29/4/2024 16:36

So why waste breath on personal criticism, rubbishing the self driving and AI, and repeating that you expect the share price to go down, when then it goes up?
(Actually, you hosede are not so bad. The others in the conversation are just hoping!

[hosede] 29/4/2024 16:31

Dominic
We're not Tesla haters - we just think it's ludicrously overvalued and this sort of thing doesn't help
an

[dominiccummings] 29/4/2024 16:25

Ha ha ha.... one day you Tesla haters will be right....... but not now.

[hosede] 29/4/2024 14:49

Well if it's NOT a free market, it will be tilted against Tesla and in favour of home brands

[hpcg] 29/4/2024 14:39

It took a while for the options market to open up after that large volatility move. 16000 June strikes can be had for less than a dollar per day.

[bjfanc] 29/4/2024 14:13

Depends if you think it's a free market in China or not.

[hosede] 29/4/2024 13:58

With 123 manufacturers in China (some artificially backed by the govt.) how can there not be a price war?

[bjfanc] 29/4/2024 13:54

Difficult to know, if decisions were also made about the price war in China.