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[roofer2] 28/11/2016 11:08

IMO there is a coordinated attack on Avn across lots of BBs, I'd like to think given a fair chance Avn can turn their fortunes around and become profitable as a British company, a few posters on this thread are not interested in any positive posts just negative ones, that's what I find idiotic, no offence ment! Gla

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[roofer2] 28/11/2016 08:47

We now have a censored public BB, a ridiculous argument going on with massive ego,s on both sides !

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[elrico] 27/11/2016 23:27

Sg - Elric you don't care if I am yorgi? "That's fine. Let's not mention it again."
Indeed, you would like that...more on this later. The little tinker continues, out of boredom of course.

You have proven yourself to be disingenuous by changes to the syntax the original comments by me on more than one occasions.

"I'd love to reply to that if you could put it in English."

Allow me to assist you;


Noticed you sidestepped my request for you to identify my "lie."

Well, here is one of your lies. You claim not to know whom Jonathan Verney is, you have never heard of him! Really, it's come this now has it! I would suggest this be a lie and not because you claim not to have read the court doc's, but because JV has been mentioned on many threads, threads which you have been contributing on. Not only that, I will go a step further and suggest you are associated with Yorgi. On what grounds you shout, while you stamp your feet and wave your arms in incredulity?

It is of course impossible for me to prove, so let's look at the tell-tail signs for my outlandish hypothesis.

1: Your strenuous defensive behaviour of someone by your own admission do not know
2: The tenacity of your defensive task
3: The rather odd number of positive votes - 8, 7, 7, 6, 5, 4, 4. This clearly points to multiple usernames at work - Not even the most respected bulls get those votes in my time shorting this dog the past 18 months. However, the positive votes tailed off the as soon as I pointed them out - coincidence? I suspect not
4: The man himself has apparently left you do his bidding - by the most part
5: Your emotional outbursts and sarcasm
6: Your disingenuous attempts at answering basic but important questions, instead you become flippant, arrogant and condescending
7: All of the above indicate you have too much invested in the debate for truth
8: Your apparent refusal to admit to reading the court doc actually become one of the biggest red flags of them all. I don't believe for one moment you have not read them, I strongly suspect you are well aware of the contents and why AERO settled before court proceedings - A real pity because had they gone to court the whole sorry saga would have emerged and we would not be having this sorry exchange.

Andy made quite few telling observations, yet you chose the condescending tactic rather than engaging with the facts.

It's good night from me and tomorrow I suspect I have far better productive tasks than exchange the finer points of defense tactics with you, yorgi and his merry band of pseudonyms.
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[sg31] 27/11/2016 22:53

Andy, now you are just repeating yourself.

Your irrefutable evidence isn't.

Your suggestion I'm connected in some way to yorgi is wrong. You had the opportunity to engage with yorgi when he posted earlier. You didn't take it, but you post extensively when I disagree with you. Why would you do that if I was yorgi or even someone close to him?

That's just rubbish, I agree to disagree with many people here, and always respect their right to hold their own opinion. I know personally many who post here and we frequently disagree but always in a respectful fashion.

So agree to disagree with me. Bet you don't, you've had plenty of opportunity.

No I didn't say that at all, you j just made that up!

No I didn't make it up, it was a question. Do you know the difference? That was another question by the way not a statement.

You're getting really silly now in an affort to denegrate. Yorgi has not been accused of any crime!

Excuse me. Yorgi has not been accused of any crime. I thought you said in your previous post that.... For the first time ever there's proof positive a company (AERO) are or were paying someone to pump up their stock on bulletin boards. "The posting of false or misleading information is very serious, in fact it's a crime!". It is you who is suggesting that was yorgi. Now you say he hasn't been accused of a crime. So despite irrefutable evidence, proof positive, court documents 'proving' guilt. yorgi has not been convicted of anything, he's not been accused of anything. Please tell me why we are having this conversation.

There wasn't a trial because STRAT AERO threw in the towel and settled out of court! there's probably a reason for that!

There probably is a reason for that but how do you know that the reason had anything to do with yorgi. Unless you were personally involved you have no idea.

No, it was included in the court papers, go and look at page 280 of the court papers, it's there for you to see! But strangely you don't want to do that, I wonder why?

I've told you why. You just don't want to listen.

Again you twist my words,I certainly do not consort with pumpers and dumpers, the person concerned is no longer with us.

Let me remind you....

How many id's do you think a 'pumper; is likely to have on here out of interest?

I knew a guy that told me he had over 100! He created new ones every day, ADVFN allow it, which is crazy in itself, but I digress.

I find this interesting... the person concerned is no longer with us

That suggests you actually work/worked with someone who was a pumper and dumper.

I'd quit before you make any more mistakes if I was you.

By the way you still haven't engaged with either of the posters who say they know/ have met yorgi. Strange indeed.

[andy] 27/11/2016 20:22

Irrefutable evidence? A conviction perhaps? Police report? FCA document? None of the above? (Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean)


Err the "irrefurable evidence was written by Jonathan Verney of Air Communications , the subject was "SP pump" where he mentioned posting on BB' and offered to write future RNS!

It's on page 280, check it for yourself!



I have posted on ADVFN for 17 years, and have always posted in the right way, yet you attack me immediately, but believe in 'yorgi' who you say you don;t know, Hmmmm interesting!

I would have difficulty remembering if our paths have crossed previously. If they have you've never posted anything to make your avatar worth noting from my point of view.

I can say the same!


I've hardly attacked you, I just disagree with you.

I think you should read your post again then!



Whose name do you think I'm trying to blacken out of interest?

Anyone who doesn't agree with you.

That's just rubbish, I agree to disagree with many people here, and always respect their right to hold their own opinion. I know personally many who post here and we frequently disagree but always in a respectful fashion.


Anyone who reads these boards and invests after reading their content should certainly give a very big toss! The posting of false or misleading information is very serious, in fact it's a crime!



Anyone who invests based on what is posted on these boards should leave their money in a building society.


Agreed, but people such as Jonathan Verney clearly see a value in doing so,most people just want tips rather than doing their own research.


I do my own research and what is posted on these boards has very little to do with my decision to invest or not. Don't tell me you actually base investment decisions on posts on ADVFN.

No I didn't say that at all, you j just made that up!




Indeed posting misleading information is a crime, If someone commits a crime they are often prosecuted. Can you confirm that yorgi has been prosecuted? Was he found guilty? If he hasn't been prosecuted isn't he presumed innocent, or are you acting as judge and jury.


You're getting really silly now in an affort to denegrate. Yorgi has not been accused of any crime!


Do you understand the difference between criminal and civil proceedings? You were talking previously about illegal acts, crimes, now you are talking about civil proceedings.


No you are getting mixed up now, Civil proceedings are what Start AERO capitulated in, and that's the case where Jonathan Verney's message was included saying he was doing an "sp pump"


So there was no trial? The evidence wasn't tested in court? Strange you didn't mention that before.


There wasn't a trial because STRAT AERO threw in the towel and settled out of court! there's probably a reason for that!

There cannot be a case if the other decide concedes and pays up!


So the irrefutable truth you mentioned earlier and set such store by is actually an unproven allegation.

No, it was included in the court papers, go and look at page 280 of the court papers, it's there for you to see! But strangely you don't want to do that, I wonder why?


I didn't say I believed scotty, I've never come across him before. I wondered why you hadn't answered his post when you take such pains to answer mine.


Well at least you didn't doubt his word, yet you choose to ignore papers filed in a court action. The proof is there if you wish to see it.




So you consort with pumpers and dumpers?


Again you twist my words,I certainly do not consort with pumpers and dumpers, the person concerned is no longer with us.

[sg31] 27/11/2016 19:53

Elrico, you don't care if I am yorgi? That's fine. Let's not mention it again.

Given your enthusiasm for his defence I could see how some lurking may assume you are one and the same.

You little tinker, you can't leave it alone can you. I'm happy to let any lurkers assume anything they choose. They might have a few more brain cells than you.

You have proven yourself to be disingenuous by changes the syntax the original comments by me on more than one occasions. Do you assume people won't notice!

I'd love to reply to that if you could put it in English.

Let me throw this out;

That's what I'd do with it.

Jonathan Verney admits he is "sayitlikeitis" on the LSE asylum

Does he? I've never heard of him. Is he famous.

Yorgi & sayitlikeitis were both identified in the court doc along with emails and identity of the author of the emails, Jonathan Verney.

Allegations. You keep on assuming allegations are facts.

Has Yorgi been identified other than Jonathan Verney?

He's not even been identified as that bloke yet never mind anyone else.

Has Yorgi named himself on any other forums?

Have you named yourself? You would be daft to do so..... ok maybe you have.

What is Hulsey Smith's motive for discrediting Yorgi?

What am I a mind reader?

What is the motive for Jonathan Verney to discredit Yorgi?

See my previous answer.

What has Yorgi done other than to plea his case on these forums?

I don't know what else he has done;. Why would I?

Your character assassination of yorgi is based on allegations made in civil proceedings that never made it to court. They are tenuous, unproven and untested in court.

For my part I'm just saying that I've seen yorgi post for 8 or 9 years and he seems ok to me. He may be the mad axe murderer from Ealing for all I know but from the posts I've seen over a long period of time he seems ok.

It now appears that there is another poster who knows yorgi. So that is now 2 who say they know, have met him.

Why don't you have a word with them and find out what they know?

[sg31] 27/11/2016 19:10

Andy,

It's hard to know where to start with that reply from you!

Go on. I'm sure you will manage somehow.

Fine, then why did you reply

I'm sure you have mistaken me for someone who values your opinion. Your ego is obviously important to you, I'm just stroking it.

I would be more convinced if you checked the irrefutable evidence submitted in court papers, that resulted in AERO terminating their action v Hulsey Smith!

Irrefutable evidence? A conviction perhaps? Police report? FCA document? None of the above? (Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean)

I wasn't in an argument and "wasn't throwing any mud"!

For someone not in an argument you do a good impersonation of someone who is. You suggest I'm connected to yorgi, I'm not. But we've been over this before

I have posted on ADVFN for 17 years, and have always posted in the right way, yet you attack me immediately, but believe in 'yorgi' who you say you don;t know, Hmmmm interesting!

I would have difficulty remembering if our paths have crossed previously. If they have you've never posted anything to make your avatar worth noting from my point of view. I've hardly attacked you, I just disagree with you.
My position regarding yorgi has been stated so many times I won't go over it again.

Whose name do you think I'm trying to blacken out of interest?

Anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Anyone who reads these boards and invests after reading their content should certainly give a very big toss! The posting of false or misleading information is very serious, in fact it's a crime!

Anyone who invests based on what is posted on these boards should leave their money in a building society. I do my own research and what is posted on these boards has very little to do with my decision to invest or not. Don't tell me you actually base investment decisions on posts on ADVFN. Next you will be telling me that you bought a bridge because someone on here told you to.

Indeed posting misleading information is a crime, If someone commits a crime they are often prosecuted. Can you confirm that yorgi has been prosecuted? Was he found guilty? If he hasn't been prosecuted isn't he presumed innocent, or are you acting as judge and jury.

what a ridiculous argument, it's the papers disclosing the 'pump' that are of interest, not the trial itself. Strat AERO capitulated and paid out the litigant, so there was no trial! Presumably, there must have been some truths in there somewhere for them to do that surely?

Do you understand the difference between criminal and civil proceedings? You were talking previously about illegal acts, crimes, now you are talking about civil proceedings.
So there was no trial? The evidence wasn't tested in court? Strange you didn't mention that before. So the irrefutable truth you mentioned earlier and set such store by is actually an unproven allegation.

And you believe the word of a stranger on a BB, someone you don't know and have never met? Really? wow!

I didn't say I believed scotty, I've never come across him before. I wondered why you hadn't answered his post when you take such pains to answer mine.

I've got a bridge for sale

I just knew it.

How many id's do you think a 'pumper; is likely to have on here out of interest?

I knew a guy that told me he had over 100! He created new ones every day, ADVFN allow it, which is crazy in itself, but I digress..

So you consort with pumpers and dumpers? That is interesting. Personally I don't, I can't stand that type of behaviour.

Words fail me!

Do they? You hide it very well.

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[elrico] 27/11/2016 14:16

Sg - I don't care if you are yorgi! Given your enthusiasm for his defence I could see how some lurking may assume you are one and the same. You have proven yourself to be disingenuous by changes the syntax the original comments by me on more than one occasions. Do you assume people won't notice!

Name my lie!

I remind you, you sidestepped the following...


Let me throw this out;
Jonathan Verney admits he is "sayitlikeitis" on the LSE asylum
Yorgi & sayitlikeitis were both identified in the court doc along with emails and identity of the author of the emails, Jonathan Verney.
Has Yorgi been identified other than Jonathan Verney?
Has Yorgi named himself on any other forums?
What is Hulsey Smith's motive for discrediting Yorgi?
What is the motive for Jonathan Verney to discredit Yorgi?
What has Yorgi done other than to plea his case on these forums?

Yorgi could put this to bed by naming himself allowing cross references with Jonathan Verney. Most people of the boards I post on know my identity.

[andy] 27/11/2016 10:29

sg31,

It's hard to know where to start with that reply from you!


"Andy, I'm not trying to do myself any favours, and I don't answer to you."

Fine, then why did you reply?



"You jYou make the suggestion I'm connected to yorgi in some shape or form. It isn't true but don't let that stop you."

I would be more convinced if you checked the irrefutable evidence submitted in court papers, that resulted in AERO terminating their action v Hulsey Smith!


"If you can't win an argument throw mud and hope it sticks."

I wasn't in an argument and "wasn't throwing any mud"!



"I say that I have seen yorgi post on ADVFN for 8 or 9 years and he appears to me to be honest and straight forward"


I have posted on ADVFN for 17 years, and have always posted in the right way, yet you attack me immediately, but believe in 'yorgi' who you say you don;t know, Hmmmm interesting!


"Why is that so difficult to understand. Why do you feel the need to blacken the name of anyone who disagrees with you"

Whose name do you think I'm trying to blacken out of interest?



"You put forward your allegations. I say I disagree. Anyone who gives a toss will decide for themselves".


Anyone who reads these boards and invests after reading their content should certainly give a very big toss! The posting of false or misleading information is very serious, in fact it's a crime!

So if anyone is being compensated for 'pumping' here, it should interest everyone, except you apparently.............


"I'm not interested in a court case that hasn't been to trial. If someone is convicted or a case is proven that would be a different matter."

what a ridiculous argument, it's the papers disclosing the 'pump' that are of interest, not the trial itself. Strat AERO capitulated and paid out the litigant, so there was no trial! Presumably, there must have been some truths in there somewhere for them to do that surely?



Scotty posted above that he knows yorgi personally and he isn't the person named. You seem to ignore that point. Inconvenient?

And you believe the word of a stranger on a BB, someone you don;t know and have never met? Really? wow!

I've got a bridge for sale!



"Maybe you will accuse scotty of being yorgi?"

For all I know he could be!

How many id's do you think a 'pumper; is likely to have on here out of interest?

I knew a guy that told me he had over 100! He created new ones every day, ADVFN allow it, which is crazy in itself, but I digress..



"For the record I don't know scotty,"

Yet believe every word he says! Hmmmmm



" I don't think I have ever discussed anything with him an ADVFN, I've never met him in real life etc etc."


Words fail me!

[atlantic57] 27/11/2016 08:05

I met the poster Yorgi at a Company presentation some years ago.
I believe is a genuine poster as are many on advfn .We have shared emails
On that Company who presented (Minoan)for some 5 years.

Advfn should easily be able to confirm his personal details ,verifying his passport
Driving licence birth certificate etc.

I have no doubt that is the person he claims to be.
For those who have doubts surely advfn could resolve matters.

[sg31] 26/11/2016 22:45

Andy, I'm not trying to do myself any favours, and I don't answer to you. You make the suggestion I'm connected to yorgi in some shape or form. It isn't true but don't let that stop you.

If you can't win an argument throw mud and hope it sticks.

I say that I have seen yorgi post on ADVFN for 8 or 9 years and he appears to me to be honest and straight forward. Why is that so difficult to understand. Why do you feel the need to blacken the name of anyone who disagrees with you.

You put forward your allegations. I say I disagree. Anyone who gives a toss will decide for themselves.

I'm not interested in a court case that hasn't been to trial. If someone is convicted or a case is proven that would be a different matter.

Scotty posted above that he knows yorgi personally and he isn't the person named. You seem to ignore that point. Inconvenient?

Maybe you will accuse scotty of being yorgi?

For the record I don't know scotty, I don't think I have ever discussed anything with him an ADVFN, I've never met him in real life etc etc.

[andy] 26/11/2016 19:14

sg31,

You haven't done yourself any favours by refusing to look at the court papers, so it appears you blindly believe Yorgi,and therefore it looks as though you're close to him or possibly associated with him is some shape or form.

For th first time ever there's proof positive a company (AERO) are or were paying someone to pump up their stock on bulletin boards.

Frankly I'm amazed that doesn't interest you.

Jonathan Verney was pumping AERO on LSE, by his own admission in court papers, have a look at AERO BB's here over that period and see who the most prolific poster was by a country mile!

[sg31] 26/11/2016 18:54

Elrico, You neatly sidestep my question. Do you believe sg31 is another pseudonym of yorgi.

Yet here you are turning on me like I am the nasty with such gusto.

Again you fail to tell the truth. I have merely pointed out that our views on yorgi are different. I'm happy to post an alternative view and let other readers decide. I don't think it is fair when you attack someone on these boards and everyone keeps quiet and lets you do it.

I've wasted enough time on this.

Indeed you have.

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[weatherman] 26/11/2016 12:54

Its evident that multiple names suddenly appear when a stock is being ramped or smashed. This looks like part of organised manipulation for financial gain. It is probably illegal, but the only person I know of who went to jail for this sort of thing was a naïve private investor. His press friends, who encouraged him, merely got slapped on the wrist.

But can we get back to AVN ?

[elrico] 26/11/2016 12:33

SG - If you didn't care about my opinion why reply? Repeating your mistake won't make it right. You came closer, "suggested" that is a climb down of sorts...I'll accept that. Let me be clear - I respected Yorgi, our investments have crossed paths on at least two occasions. I am very familiar with his posts and the way he writes. It don't stop me asking questions and perhaps I would have had the odd post to defend him on any thread we had a mutual interest in had it not been for the court doc's. However, I would not take it upon myself to do as you do, seemingly going out of your way to defend someone you admit to having no personal experience of. Yet here you are turning on me like I am the nasty with such gusto.

Let me throw this out;
Jonathan Verney admits he is "sayitlikeitis" on the LSE asylum
Yorgi & sayitlikeitis were both identified in the court doc along with emails and identity of the author of the emails, Jonathan Verney.
Has Yorgi been identified other than Jonathan Verney?
Has Yorgi named himself on any other forums?
What is Hulsey Smith's motive for discrediting Yorgi?
What is the motive for Jonathan Verney to discredit Yorgi?
What has Yorgi done other than to plea his case on these forums?

Yorgi could put this to bed by naming himself allowing cross references with Jonathan Verney. Most people of the boards I post on know my identity.

[sg31] 26/11/2016 11:44

Elrico, to be honest I don't really care what you think. Your translation is not accurate is it? You threw out the suggestion that sg31 might be another avatar of yorgi, it's a common tactic on ADVFN when you haven't got any other valid argument.

I've provided a link to my posting history. Do you accept sg31 isn't a pseudonym of yorgi or not. Not that I care either way but since you suggested it, let's clear it up. It's a simple question so you shouldn't need to obfuscate, yes or no will do.

It's not strange that I jump to yorgi's defence, well not to me, I've seen him post on ADVFN for years, he's been a poster I've grown to respect because he's always been straight, direct and reasonable. In my experience he isn't the person you portray. Is that so difficult to understand?

You seem desperate to convince me that yorgi is a liar and devious, why do you care what I think? Is it so you can convince everyone else?

I'm not that much of a thought leader that you should care what I think.

As for the court papers, I suggest you let me know when yorgi has been convicted of something. When he has been convicted I will gladly admit I was wrong, until then I maintain that the 'yorgi' I've seen on these boards seems ok to me.

Just to clarify. I have never been invested in AERO, I've never shorted it, I've never posted on the AERO board. I've held shares in AVN for many years but I sold earlier this year because I do generally agree with the point that the company is drowning in debt and is in a death spiral. We don't disagree on everything.

[scotty1] 25/11/2016 16:38

elrico what makes you think Yorgi is this JV chappie JV as already admmitted to the user name sayitlikeitis over on the LSE bb and Yorgi also posts over on the LSE board as Yorgi not sayitlikeitis.I have known Yorgi for a good 15yr and have spoken to him many a time over the phone and i can assure you he as never answered to the name of "Jonathan Verney"