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[superg1] 09/1/2020 19:47

For some history re China signings.

VRS though the first Jinan deal should no be news as it was non binding. However the Nomad, knowing Chinese TV were there decided it should be released.

The last signing which we didn't know exactly what it was is also non binding. The nomad deemed it wasn't price sensitive. Had it been stand alone the first China signing them perhaps it would have been price sensitive.

The nomad slotted it into the interims, that's the first time we actually got to know what the signing find was about.

So obviously not signing something is not news at all.

[superg1] 09/1/2020 19:43

Laginaneil

re your comment

" ..to be notifiable the order would have to be say 10% bigger than
normal .."

As I understand it a qualifier for news where revenue is concerned is that it is more than 10% of the total revenue.

Another aspect. If you were to have a forecasts and it was more than 10% out either way then you are obliged to report it.

That comes to various CEOs I have spoken to in the past.

[superg1] 09/1/2020 19:37

Here is the details found by jointer I believe



VRS were made aware it was public knowledge, the nomad obviously deemed it not to be price sensitive.

It was mentioned in the interim results

Non-binding heads of terms signed with Jinan Bo Guan Building Engineering Co., Ltd ("JBG") to form a manufacturing joint venture located in Zhucheng City, Shangdong

[nellyb] 09/1/2020 19:35

ok fest - so the inlaws fell in line and agreed to sell up based on that!!

[superg1] 09/1/2020 19:34

Nowt to do with you Andy we know that.

[superg1] 09/1/2020 19:32

Schmally


re I simply asked you to supply evidence to support your claim that Neill had ever stated that Chris had signed a deal in China in Sept?

It was us guys on here that said Chris had signed a deal as it was found on public sites and posted.

It was thought news would come but clearly it didn't amount to price sensitive news.

We know that as it was then put in the interims as below.

So just for clarity Neill did say something had been signed in China and we know it was Chris. :-)

Obviously the reason it was not price sensitive was the non binding part and the fact numerous pieces of Chinese collaborations and deals have been pending and announced as such.

So obviously this is the bit that was signed.



Non-binding heads of terms signed with Jinan Bo Guan Building Engineering Co., Ltd ("JBG") to form a manufacturing joint venture located in Zhucheng City, Shangdong

[andymoore07] 09/1/2020 19:31

For those who think I was supplying TW with anything at all, Shame on you.I left the app because it was full of as much drivel as ADVFN.

[laginaneil] 09/1/2020 19:29

Thanks for your input Fest.

[jointer13] 09/1/2020 19:27

he's rarely wrong...didn't he call an share price down to zero and it got taken out at £1.80...ouch.

btw who are aecom.

[festario] 09/1/2020 19:24

Ok, so to put this Discord chat group issue to bed, in my mind at least.It seems certain now that our CEO has been interacting with a select group of shareholders. Was any blatant price sensitive information shared with them? Probably not.Was any subtle advantage gained by those shareholders? Looking at the screenshots, I would say possibly yes, if they were savvy enough.Do I think it was foolish of our CEO to involve himself in such a thing? Leaving himself open to criticism?... certainly.Based on all of that, I'm satisfied that it was an example of poor judgement.Please realise that, having read the screenshots, this is my opinion only.

[hoverflyman] 09/1/2020 19:19

At this stage Club, growth can only be judged by the number of enquiries and collaborators, surely? The latter have a duty to their shareholders just as, to his eternal regret, Neill has to you!

[gabble ratchet] 09/1/2020 19:19

TW - like him or loathe him, unfortunately he's rarely wrong.

[festario] 09/1/2020 19:16

Not quite correct Lag, Neill said throughout 2018 that VRS were 'selling Graphene all the time'Also.. 'we don't give this stuff away'However, those comments are not inline with the audited accounts for 2018 or H1 2019.

[mavfav] 09/1/2020 19:14

Schmally I agree with you re TW but maybe he needs to look inside his own organisation first when he talks about ethics and doing the moral right thing.Deception is probably the right phrase I know nooothing

[club sandwich] 09/1/2020 19:13

"So if this was your business would you broadcast to all the competition

how well you are doing or othewise?"

they *did* broadcast how well - or otherwise - they were doing, it was called the last set of figures, which showed turnover significantly down on the same period last year for this supposedly strongly-growing business with global demand for its premium product...

[club sandwich] 09/1/2020 19:11

to be notifiable an order has to be worth 10% or more of previous year's turnover?

[laginaneil] 09/1/2020 19:06

Evening Folks,

From memory I seem to remember Neill saying something like:

"...we take orders (for graphene) all the time.."

Now I think from memory I remember some comment he may have made like:

" ..to be notifiable the order would have to be say 10% bigger than
normal .."

NOTE This is my recollection please check all the notes from presentation
and podcasts yourself.

So if this was your business would you broadcast to all the competition

how well you are doing or othewise?

Again just like everybody asking for the price of Nanene, would you tell
your competitors ?

So Neill I think has said price point depends on the project and what we can

get for it.

My words: Cover everything with an NDA to stop the customers competition

and VRS competition getting a 'handle' on anything.

Just my recollections.

[jointer13] 09/1/2020 19:04

when all is said and done we should be thankful to have a ceo like neill.

a very well thought of highly regarded man. (by the people in the right places that matter... not the gutter boys)

its very unusual to have govt secondees...why do you think they are here.

he was approached to commercialise a revolutionary material (they thought he was the right man for it) and what a great job he is doing at an unbelievable pace.

(some don't understand...lets be blunt and say they are a bit thick shouting and bawling for it to be delivered almost instantly... we are talking revolutionary
materials ffs !!!)

keep in mind we are right at the forefront of this industrial revolution...why

we have the best team that anyone could ask for (go check it out) from top to bottom and that's all down to neill.

* gone from grammes to tons in rapid time... (putting the graft in)

the only company in the world to produce commercial verified graphene...absolutely incredible. (to achieve the verified producer programme is extremely difficult
but is vital for what lies ahead)

we have the know how that no other company or country has. (ask the Chinese)

and a lot of companies and countries realise that now.

everyone wants a piece of vrs now...hence all the collabs...most will just have to wait for now....as we know concentrating on the 5 for now (majors) although the hopper is bursting.

its taken the amount of time its taken because...err its taken that amount of time!!!

we are at the point of massive commercialisation...

so if you want the truth read the rns's

don't listen to the likes of logliar...why do you think he is here..?

most on here know.

the scumbags know we are at the stage that is going to hurt them big time..hence there desperate attempts to keep slagging of this great company.

who do you believe...?

[mryl] 09/1/2020 19:01

So nothing too bad then. Hopefully we'll see some significant news soon. It is time.

[schmally] 09/1/2020 18:56

By the way Loggy, you state that TW has a good track record of identifying fraud linked to various AIM listed companies.

Given that finding fraud companies on AIM is like shooting fish in a barrel his track record is actually pretty poor. Anyone listing 100 random AIM shares stating they will all be worth less in 2-3 years than they are now, will probably be able to boast a a 4/5 success rate without any effort

In other words any bellend can do it. But let’s be honest click bait alone is not how TW makes his money is it? His services are available to any company or spiv that wants to pay him!!!

[hoverflyman] 09/1/2020 18:48

It’s very simple why VRS hasn’t yet sold large quantities of true bill, very expensive and rather magical graphene.

Only those with a perverse agenda affect not to understand that no responsible and competent business is going to spend millions on such a rare and precious material without knowing how it should be incorporated into their products to best effect and without inadvertently turning it into the more commonly and cheaply available carbon black by bungling the process.

It is not surprising that such people persistently pretend to be unable to discern a worthwhile difference between graphene and graphene like materials. No great knowledge, or interest in science is needed to understand how the former is capable of transforming our world, only a dogged adherence to a warped agenda for which I cannot think of a single positive, laudable motivation, only very many negative and rather deplorable ones.

[aquaesulis01] 09/1/2020 18:43

Let me start by stating that as a long but small stakeholder in VRS, not one of the "inner circle", and an occasional poster on this BB, I am extremely disappointed in the deterioration in the quality and nature of the posting on this Board of late. I am not a TW fan although respect some of the investigative work performed by him, but also deeply resent his childish and personal attacks and long running vendetta against Neil Ricketts who comes across as an honest and hard working CEO, although a bit misguided at times. However, I also find the recent personal attack on TW's family by certain posters on here equally distasteful and vindictive; two wrongs do not make a right! Can we please draw a line under the vitriol and concentrate on the research and intelligent fact based debate that used to be a feature here. To kick things off, I find the graphene revolution very exciting however, I see the current Eu Reach limits of 10 tonnes a huge barrier to graphene becoming mainstream and very profitable for ANY company; thoughts anyone?