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[dgduncan] 09/2/2019 14:02

1tepee - that would be nice to know. With all our collaborations there must be a few purchase orders kicking around but not sure they would know anything about them that we don't.

They said :
Yet, we know of just one company within the number of companies that we follow, that alone is expecting sales of $50 million in 2019 based on purchase orders.

Who else is that busy ?. They would have been rubbing shoulders with our team but our team are quite tight lipped about this sort of thing.

[1teepee] 09/2/2019 13:50

Who said sales of 50m in 2019?

[hew] 09/2/2019 13:14

Flow battery technology is established for energy storage systems, e.g.



I’d not realised though that small scale systems focusing on their use in cars are now emerging from a number of labs. Setting up a national infrastructure for “refilling” would of course be key, with efficient mass production to make the economics work; that is being considered, see the NanoFlowcell link below.

I don’t doubt that Tesla, Gnano etc. are well aware of this technology (not to mention BP and Shell) or that, even without any “practicality” issues, a significant timescale would be involved. It may be though that vanadium rather than lithium will be the key material - China has lots; see the first link. Clear potential implications for the Li-on world, though not of course immediate.

Glasgow Uni. 2018


Perdue Uni, 2019


NanoFlowcell 2018

[kemorkid] 09/2/2019 11:51

Thanks dg Ellis snd bootie
Fantastic posts

Blue skies ahead 👍👍

[bootie64] 09/2/2019 10:13

Thanks DG,

You reminded me that I did not listen to this interview the other day after the James Baker interview link that had been posted. Absolutely agree with you!


Some very interesting statements

"Yet, we know of just one company within the number of companies that we follow, that alone is expecting sales of $50 million in 2019 based on purchase orders"

"We also think that if this approach is done right, the value-added integrated approach is going to yield higher results. When I talk about value-added integrated approach, what I'm talking about is a graphene producer that not only produces graphene, but they put it into an intermediary product or a master batch, adding value to that, and that's the product they sell."



By the way the recording of this interview is available here and I highly recommend having a listen(click the playlist and this interview link is revealed below the Baker interview)




Good to hear of the validation process too

"Having this third-party validation process in place is hugely valuable, especially because today the graphene market is both confusing, because a lot of the end users don't understand the different types of graphene, and it's very non-transparent.

It's very hard for industrial companies that don't understand the nuances of different graphene materials or which supplier is reputable. The Graphene Verified Producer program is designed to bring a measure of transparency to the market."

[ellissj] 09/2/2019 10:11

Indeed, the verified producer scheme has interested US firms according to the big cheese at graphene council, pleased to be assured of a good product. So although the share price is churning and consolidating away, as i posted yesterday, the opportunity and blue sky keeps on growing. In a sentiment share, this is where the value is at the moment; we all hope for early commercialisation - Irons are very much in this fire and are being persued by the company as we all know. Realisitically, not all irons will come out glowing, that is to be expected. Especially with a new science, that much should be obvious. But i believe this company is a winner. For example, It found a way to scale up economicially the production of high quality gnp's in july 15 rns. A significant breakthrough. We see poland has virtually given up this week trying to crack the code. For me, the same spirit of endeavour, skill and enquiry that lead to this huge breakthrough will see the company through to successful commercialisation and create a big success story for holders and uk plc. Why? to achieve this technological breakthrough required persistance over disappointment. Their ingenuity and determination triumped over repeated trials and errors until they got it right. From what i can see, that appetite for success is in the dna of neill and co and is crucial in building a large company. It's what all the 'greats' have in common. Happy here to let them get on with it. By defintion, they can't be stopped ! Aimo. Dyor. Enjoy your weekends. Best ellis.

[dgduncan] 09/2/2019 09:44

A good article by AzoNano yesterday about The Graphene Council interview with Terrance Barkan.



To me it just seems to scream Versarien !.

[ellissj] 09/2/2019 08:48

Indeed, aerospace gives hope for early adoption of graphene re lightweighting, plus other advantages outlined in this article from 5 years ago. Of course, my belief is that graphene is too disruptive to ignore and will be adopted earlier than is the normal convention for new materials ie silicon etc. I see saab used gnp's in its deicing patent from 2013. Aimo. Best ellis

17 MARCH 2013

ANALYSIS

'Getting to grips with graphene: aviation’s revolution?'

By Liam

'Graphene, the multipurpose miracle material first manufactured at Manchester University, has been vaunted as potentially revolutionary for the aviation industry. Boasting an array of properties and several sponsors, the carbon composite could be about to become commonplace'

"Since its first development at the University of Manchester in 2010, graphene has been lauded as a modern miracle material. Promising to revolutionise fields including electronics and aircraft manufacture, the results saw its pioneers Andre Geim and Konstantin Novoselov win the 2010 Nobel Prize in Physics.

Since then, progress has been quietly productive. The UK Government, acknowledging the material’s potential, pledged £22m in December 2012 to aid with its commercialisation. The Graphene Flagship was later established, incorporating 74 organisations from 17 European countries, promising an investment of €100m over ten years to further the understanding of the material and its uses.

Lightweight, stronger than steel and malleable, the carbon-based material has been proposed for uses in multiple fields.."

"Composed of pure carbon, atoms in graphene are arranged in regular hexagonal patterns in a similar fashion to graphite. Atoms are densely packed in a honeycomb crystal lattice, boosting the material’s strength while remaining incredibly lightweight. One square metre of graphene would weigh just 0.77 milligrams. Graphene’s light weight shouldn’t fool anybody though; it has a breaking strength more than 100 times greater than a steel film of the same thickness.

University of Technology Sydney lead researcher Ali Reza Ranjbartoreh oversaw the development of graphene paper, which is capable of being reshaped and reformed from its original raw material state. Heralding the material as "lighter, stronger, harder and more flexible than steel", Ranjbartoreh claimed graphene paper would be an ideal material for the development stronger and more fuel-efficient aircraft.

This development hasn’t gone unnoticed by the aerospace industry. Airbus’s sponsorship of the Graphene Flagship will attest to its interest in the material, while Boeing has also invested in the use of composite materials in aircraft manufacture, with composite materials comprising up to 50% of the primary structure of the company’s 787 Dreamliner aircraft.

From a pure business perspective, graphene could pave the way for a much stronger post-recession aerospace industry. The premise of lighter materials strong enough to be used in the manufacture of aircraft means that not only could jets be designed to be larger and fit more passengers, but they could also run on much less fuel. Rising fuel costs and the risk of emissions trading schemes have both been targeted as key threats to the aviation market, and graphene proposes to address them both in one fell swoop.

Carbon electronics

Graphene’s almost unique properties make it ideal for use in electronics. Aside from the obvious use of making individual aircraft components lighter, graphene’s flexibility could see the creation of flexible and lightweight electronic displays. Thinner and lighter in-flight entertainment suites could feasibly be manufactured, resulting in further weight reductions.

Furthermore, graphene could be used to replace the tangle of conventional wiring that is used within an aircraft due to its electrical conductivity. Conventional commercial aircraft can use anything up to 60 miles of copper wiring to transmit power and communication; a substantial load for any aircraft to bear.

The potential to replace that with relatively simple nano-enhanced wiring could prove to be too difficult to resist, despite further technological understanding of the material being necessary.

Thwarting ice with a graphene jacket

Outside of its much vaunted manufacturing potential, SAAB has proposed a significantly more novel way in which graphene could be used within the aerospace industry. Ice has long been a thorn in the side of commercial airliners, particularly those forced to reside at airports in frigid temperatures, causing delays and cancellations to flights. Current de-icing techniques either add unnecessary weight to the aircraft, in the form of heating wires fixed inside the aircraft’s structure, or hamper green performance due to de-icing chemicals’ notoriously harmful effect on the environment.

Using graphene’s conductive properties and thinking outside the box, SAAB filed a patent application in February 2013 detailing a de-icing process with graphene at its core. Nanoplatelets of graphene are mixed into a polymer resin, with the resin applied to the aircraft body and its components to form a tight jacket around it. An electrical current can then be passed through this conductive jacket – either across the entire body of the aircraft or to specific components, such as the wings – providing heat, which would in turn melt the ice.

Given the physical properties of the graphene-soaked resin, it provides no detrimental effect on aerodynamics and little weight, despite being applied liberally to all of the aircraft’s fixtures and components. The high conductivity of the resin also requires little electricity to be effective, resulting in extremely low power consumption for its capabilities. The strength of the resin also makes SAAB’s de-icing technique more robust than current integrated methods due to the nanostructure’s strength.

The graphene jacket also lends itself to uses other than de-icing aircraft, tapping into the full spectrum of properties the material possesses. The strength of any component coated in the resin is increased, a valuable proposition given the cost of downtime associated with broken parts, and the layered nature of the resin means that it also acts as an insulator for any heat produced.

It is thought the outer surface could also provide lightning protection, protecting the aircraft and de-icing system from lightning strikes and erosion related to other freak weather events, such as driving rain, hailstones and sandstorms. In essence, the resin could be tailored with separate layers designed to provide differing characteristics, providing a multipurpose coat that does far more than what it says on the tin.

The excitement surrounding graphene and its potential to revolutionise various elements of the aviation industry is palpable, but expectation of any carbon revolution may have to wait. Further technological developments are required before graphene can be separated from naturally-occurring graphite economically enough to be used in industrial processes.

While always quick to embrace technological advancements, the aerospace industry has been known to stick with what is familiar, probably best typified by the way in which Boeing’s 737 aircraft – introduced in 1968 – is still in production and used almost religiously by airliners the world over. The lure of graphene and its miracle-like properties could, however, be the material to change that dependence."

[soilderboy] 09/2/2019 04:29

Apologies.See this was posted before.

[soilderboy] 09/2/2019 01:45

ENTREPRENEUR OF THE YEARThis award seeks to recognise the entrepreneur at the helm of a young growing company whose flair, professionalism, dedication and opportunism has radically improved the trading prospects and status of their company. Financial measures will be examined as well as various corporate deals, contracts, product development and product positioning. This awards focusses on leaders who are founding shareholders or who hold significant stakes.2019 Shortlist"Stephen Blyth â€" XpediatorStephen Fenby â€" MidwichGordon McArthur â€" BeeksKeith Neilson â€" CranewareNeill Ricketts â€" VersarienJohn Rigby â€" K3 CapitalMorgan Tilbrook â€" AlphaFXRobert Trice â€" Hurricane Energy"

[serratia] 09/2/2019 00:57

Halve the weight again.

A modern airplane—e.g. the Boeing 787 Dreamliner—consists of 50 percent polymer composites; a fighter aircraft like the Eurofighter consists of 70 percent polymer composites. Development of high-temperature polymer composites will replace existing metal engine parts (for instance, low-pressure jet compressor blades) or supersonic aircraft body elements.

Read more at: hxxps://phys.org/news/2017-02-decreasing-mass-aircraft-polymer-composites.html#jCp

For each pound of weight reduced on a plane, $1,000 is saved in fuel over the life of the airplane.

Why the Aerospace Industry Loves Plastic Materials - Craftech Industries - High-Performance Plastics - [phone]

Why the Aerospace Industry Loves Plastic Materials - Craftech Industries - ...

Commercial flights would be a lot more expensive and modern warfare jets would pose less threat to the enemy wit...



An Airbus A380 weighs about 800,000 pounds and costs around $375m. Do the maths on the above assuming Nanene reduces the polymer content weight by say 50%.


Links don't copy across but can be added somehow if required.

[shavian] 08/2/2019 22:46

The big one in volume is bound to be building materials

[forestfred] 08/2/2019 22:34

Cs
A few Trillion wow . .

That’s more like it !



With major Chinese firms interested in our products too !!

That’s Good news from you and good night from me .
Ff

[club sandwich] 08/2/2019 20:48

I stand corrected: China economy $12trn...https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/Thanks for the correction (said the bishop to the actress)...

[club sandwich] 08/2/2019 20:45

Spid - Rickets claimed he'd been told by a UK civil servant that the *Chinese* needed $200bn of graphene over the next 5 years. From memory this was last Feb or March or thereabouts - if you scroll back through posts around that time you should find a reference, or search Twitter for Ricketts' tweet...

[1teepee] 08/2/2019 20:29

Not all plastic makes it to recycling but I was under the impression that a closed loop system was the ultimate goal of government

[spid81] 08/2/2019 20:24

Good Evening Club Sandwich,

Who said the Graphene market will be $200 bn in the next 4-5 years ?

Earlier in the day the Graphene Council suggested the market size by 2027 will only be $300mil.

"The other factor that I would say is that a lot of the reports focus on forecasting what they think the graphene market is going to be several years from now. For example, the consensus view of the most widely known industry reports are forecasting graphene sales in 2027 at about $300 million, which isn't a very large market at all for any kind of industrial material.

Yet, we know of just one company within the number of companies that we follow, that alone is expecting sales of $50 million in 2019 based on purchase orders."




Did you listen to the talk between the CEO of GEIC and the Graphene Council ?

[woodpeckers] 08/2/2019 19:33

Brilliant news re Neills' nominations... 2 categories too.

Well done Neill and good luck... this could really get the company the exposure it seems to need and deserve.

Maybe next year we could organise a table or two to support you when we are put forward for Profit Star of The Year!

[drattuts] 08/2/2019 19:04

Chinese economy was $12trn in 2017, so will be circa $13.5trn for 2019. For comparison, UK economy was $2.6trn in 2017.

[alchemy] 08/2/2019 18:42

You can cut yourself on it if you like .

[club sandwich] 08/2/2019 18:14

A year ago there was much broohaha about China needing $200bn of graphene over the next 5 years. Presumably they still need it, now over the next 4 years.Let's assume that number was vastly inflated - by a factor of 10 - to whet Western appetites. Let's assume the real figure is $20bn, or $5bn a year for 4 years (perfectly reasonable in an economy worth $1.7trn a year).In the most recent Half VRS turned over £5.22m, mostly from non-2D parts of the business.Occam's Razor, anybody?

[ellissj] 08/2/2019 17:49

Double bubble rct ! :-) Nice one. Best ellis

[realcooltrader] 08/2/2019 17:47

He's also nominated for SHARE PRICE STAR OF THE YEAR, well done Neill.