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[rogerbridge] 13/10/2017 13:44

Thanks for the report anley.

Esther1975 VRS have companies in the group who will be providing funds for the graphene side.There shold be a jump in turnover this year and VRS has a CFO who runs a very tight ship.

[esther1975] 13/10/2017 13:19

There's no doubt this could have enormous uses for the future and looks a very exciting prospect. But as with all jam tomorrow shares there's always the issue of additional fund raising requirements before they achieve scalability.

[luckyorange] 13/10/2017 13:18

So when NR said 'the coming weeks' that's not what he actually meant?

[richie32] 13/10/2017 11:47

anley I agree that VRS should be allowed time. All the evidence is that the company is working hard and lack of RNS's should not be seen as inaction.

I have had plenty of stocks in the past that have done well without the need for a running commentary (let alone the expense of multiple RNS's)

I am no graphene expert but I do know that in a fledgling industry (an AIM speciality) with minimal benchmarking, it's not a simple matter of putting out a tender.

Also, it may not be just a matter of some clients picking a supplier. It could, to some extent, be the other way around with VRS looking over a choice of customers; whether to offer exclusivity; what direction to go etc.

It would be tempting to go in all sorts of directions at once with such versatility and potential and I suspect the conflict between focusing on a few things and taking out the scatter gun is a constant dilemna.

[phoenixs] 13/10/2017 11:42

Anley, thanks for your post. Much appreciated.

[vasilis] 13/10/2017 11:24

Thanks for the update anley. I guess this is why Marshall's et al were in attendance -

[anley] 13/10/2017 10:20

From the Royal Aeronautical Society - Cambridge Brance.

Graphene Technology by Prof A C Ferari

What I can say is that he gave an overview of the progress to date and that includes going back hundreds of years to when pencils were first made.

Today graphene is the flattest piece of material know to man.......think about that for uses.

He spoke about production and costs and then all I can say was that beyond grahane its mind boggling - over the next decade.

As a shareholder and looking at the current trading policy of VRS I do believe that the board is spot on.

On the topic of ISO.....the UK is behind China, Japan and Singapore but as Prof Ferari is on the UK committee then we have a good friend looking after VRS interests which others do not. There is to much indifferent stuff around not being able to do the job and this hurts the good boys.........it will take sometime for this position to be resolved.

So IOS is an ongoing job to finish - meanwhile USA is well behind so they are going to pump capital into the next new sourses of materials but Prof Ferari is there already and he gave us a few details on where this will go...........using grahane of course.

Give the VRS board time to get industry used to what and how it can be used and we have a world wide success story with big profits.

I am not prepared to say anymore as most of the large audience were from the arospace world of Marshalls of Cambridge etc.

[superg1] 13/10/2017 07:55

Lucky

Re multi-layer. On thermal graphite added to anything with a lower thermal rate inproves the conductivity. When talking electical resistivity is also key.

VRS don't just do Nanene they have one called HD I believe which does have a mix of higher layers in it.

On the ink I believe the lower layer level and lateral sizes help on lower resistance.

[superg1] 13/10/2017 07:51

Lucky
Real news only becomes news when the final signature is completed.

Such a signature could be VRS themselves once final signatures are complete on the customer side.

However the bigger the company then in general the longer it can take for contract details to pass through the legal team.

In contrast as stated by the company they will report news as and when it becomes news. There ARE some material names in play I have no doubt about that.

[luckyorange] 13/10/2017 06:49

A point from the other day.

I realise that 10-20 layer is more conductive and 'cheaper' with the ISO that will no longer be classed as graphene, however , considering there is a market for it do VRS produce it and sell it or are they only focusing on the high end stuff I wonder?

[luckyorange] 13/10/2017 06:43

supernumerary12 Oct '17 - 20:28 - 8212 of 8213 0 0
Or, to put it another way, he has no real news.

That is a reasonable point supernum, NR has not put out much in the past , however in his statement he did say 'in the coming weeks and months', shortly we will be getting into 'months' so I am hopeful that he will put something on the table that PI's will be pleased about.

[jointer13] 13/10/2017 05:29

for any newbies.

sorting the wheat from the chaff.



The world's first ISO (International Organisation for Standardization) graphene standard has been published. The standard will provide consistency across the emerging world-wide graphene industry and accelerate the 2D material's commercial exploitation.

The new international standard, led by the National Physical Laboratory (NPL), defines the terminology used to describe the many different forms of graphene, supporting companies in the testing and validation of the 'wonder material'. This will help unlock new applications, drive down manufacturing costs and open up industrial-scale use of graphene for applications from next-generation computer chips to smart sensors in clothing.
Interest in graphene and related 2D materials continues to grow both commercially and academically, and many industrial sectors look set to benefit from the unique properties of these materials, areas such as electronics, energy storage, nanocomposites and sensors, with over one hundred companies worldwide now producing or using graphene.
However, while terms such as 'epitaxial graphene', 'graphene oxide' and 'few-layer graphene' are commonly used across industry, prior to the publication of this new standard, there were no universally-agreed definitions – in some cases, material that is hundreds of layers thick has been incorrectly branded 'few-layer graphene'. Inconsistencies like this prevent companies that are developing new products from fully understanding the properties of commercially-available graphene-based materials and selecting the material best suited to their application. This is a key barrier to commercialisation of new products and prevents trust in the supply chain.
Recognising the clear industry need, NPL, as part of the UK Nanotechnologies Standardisation Committee (NTI/1) of the British Standards Institution (BSI), initiated the development of this ISO standard in 2013. After a rigorous development process involving technical experts from 37 different countries, the standard is now available to all interested parties (the terms are also included in ISO's freely available Online Browsing Platform) and contains 99 definitions covering types of materials, material production, material characterisation and material properties.
NPL's Dr Andrew Pollard, who led the development of the standard with Dr Charles Clifford, commented: "Both graphene producers and end-users have been concerned for years that inconsistent terminology has meant slower progress in the commercialisation of these materials and made it difficult to determine the difference between graphene and graphite products.
"Although it may be understood that the term 'graphene' means a single layer of graphene, the vagueness of terms such as 'few-layer graphene' has blurred the line between graphene and graphite. This terminology standard addresses this barrier and is the first step in standardisation of this emerging industry."
Publication of the new standard is the latest in a series of advances resulting from NPL's graphene research, from the development of new sensors for hepatitis diagnosis and allergen detection in food manufacturing, to investigation of graphene's use in nuclear decommissioning.

[supernumerary] 12/10/2017 20:28

Or, to put it another way, he has no real news.

[superg1] 12/10/2017 20:25

Rid

I have had plenty of chats re the news front. The CEO does not want to slip into releasing low level news. Looking around at what others say he said he could release multiple news items re lower level collaborations and the like.

In the case of bigger news with big names the wheels of final signatures that make it news can drag on. Once things are finalised then it becomes news.

On that front as they have said things are stacking up.

[luckyorange] 12/10/2017 17:43

An annual prize worth £50,000 has been awarded to two young Manchester researchers to help set-up a new graphene business venture.

The Eli and Britt Harari Graphene Enterprise Award is awarded each year to help the implementation of a commercially-viable business proposal from students, post-docs and recent graduates of The University of Manchester based on developing the commercial prospects of graphene.

[phoenixs] 12/10/2017 16:46

thanks anley.

[anley] 12/10/2017 16:39

More on that when several of us from Cambridge go and hear his talk tonight in Cambridge.

[phoenixs] 12/10/2017 16:14

NR twitter. Prof Ferrari..... ink jet graphene being used in laser technology..graphene key in enabling 5g technology

[john henry] 12/10/2017 14:10

Could some buys be going through sing 13.3p and some through cantor 13.07p ????

[john henry] 12/10/2017 14:02

im guessing the 13.07p are sells.

[phoenixs] 12/10/2017 14:02

thanks rogerbridge. Confirms what I am thinking about the way the MMs are working the stock.

[john henry] 12/10/2017 14:01

difficult to see what are buys and sells as you roger bought lower @ 13p than the previous trade 2045 @ 13.2p

[rogerbridge] 12/10/2017 13:24

Yes phoenixs 13p qty 11538 for ISA and a small amount for the SIPP at 13.2p as the was a small amount of cash doing nothing.

[phoenixs] 12/10/2017 12:50

rogerbridge, did you pay 13p?

[rogerbridge] 12/10/2017 12:42

Had small top up for the SIPP and ISA at these give away prices.