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[ridicule] 17/11/2018 17:30

I know Fest. I do try hard, but the man is such a prat. I try to address the non person in the third person to avoid censorship but I do have the fallibility of being human.

[luckyorange] 17/11/2018 17:20

I wish it was as cheap as they are making out ridicule, there are so many uses that I can think of for it . Problem is I would need to have the technical know how in adding it for various uses and that wouldn't come cheap.

[festario] 17/11/2018 17:16

Ridicule, risking a temporary ban there Sir.

[ridicule] 17/11/2018 17:11

Another massive boob boob by Loggie. He is now comparing VRS ‘know how’ with that of Haydale. This man is an object of derision. Loggie, please point out the VRS Stephen Hodge and Martin Kemp plus a host of others equivalents in Haydale? Haydale are a material ‘value add’ and processing company. Versarien are participating partners in the 4th Industrial Revolution with ‘value add’ in a myriad of directions and market verticals. You are out of your depth, stop posting and avoid yourself further embarrassment.

[luckyorange] 17/11/2018 16:50

I hate it when platelets agglomerate thank goodness they have found a cure for it serratia 😉

[loglorry1] 17/11/2018 16:40

Have you got a link to this granted patent? Gnaomat have very little as far as I can see. Just a patent application.



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Gnanomat have a patent on metal oxides/Graphene.

[richardc77] 17/11/2018 16:18

Yes it is “yawn” time from the shorters, all rather lame and pathetic.

[grabster] 17/11/2018 15:07

I agree, clint - detractors have become so totally predictable that more and more viewers now know their agenda too well to be bothered by it. They sound like trained parrots, stuck in monotonous repeat mode. Meanwhile Versarien continues adding more and more plus points to their ever growing string of prospects.

[clint fleecewood] 17/11/2018 14:41

Well it seems the detractors have just run out of ideas. LL repeat posting his already discredited bumf and the other one dragging out a company who shut down years ago as a stick to beat VRS with. Meanwhile, VRS supply the first order to what could conceivably become a massive supply chain to the air industry ( and others). I have never felt more confident here.

[kilgallp] 17/11/2018 13:19

Added to my holdings here, and IQE Friday pm.

[magic beans] 17/11/2018 13:07

Excellent work 1retirement. Wasn't sure if DianeCarberry was one of Mike's many many aliases. Just be warned that if it is Mike, he's one vindictive little f#@k when you get the better of him.

p.s. his team is Wrexham if that helps.

[tini5] 17/11/2018 12:49

Indeed, think there’s no more than 3 or 4 people max behind the various accounts.

[chillpill] 17/11/2018 11:31

Apologies. Yes you are correct and bad use of English by me!

It is a commercial trial that should all being well convert into a long term supply agreement.

laginaneil17 Nov '18 - 09:21 - 48644 of 48656
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Morning Chillpill,

You said '..there is no commercial deal yet'..

I thought the aircraft interior, FAA fire approved deal last week was commercial sale
and 'ongoing' word was the best bit!

Excuse me if i miss read your post.

[tini5] 17/11/2018 11:29

Ah so many filtered posts.....all the same name. So many lols.

[bootie64] 17/11/2018 11:02

An interesting article on packaging I can't recall being posted




"The research has shown that an organic photovoltaic device wrapped in the graphene-infused packaging has a lifetime of more than one year, as compared to less than 30 minutes if packaged in the plastic film without the graphene"


No prize for spotting the spelling mistake further in the article

[ellissj] 17/11/2018 10:54

Indeed, and most likely 3D materials producers at that imo. Best ellis.

[luckyorange] 17/11/2018 10:45

One that fell by the wayside busters, pile it high sell it cheap doesn't work .







Perpetuus Advanced Materials was founded by John Buckland and later joined by Ian Walters who also founded one of the UK’s first graphene makers, top-down producer Haydale which had an IPO last year. Perpetuus has independently verified the production capability of a single reactor at 140 tons per year. Perpetuus is the only company we’re aware of that has independently verified not only their production capacity but also their production quality.

With talks about a price point around $75 a kilo, we can extrapolate the numbers out to an estimate of $9,523,500 per reactor in potential revenues given that all the graphene produced is sold. In early 2015, the Company is expected to commission three new reactors with enhanced technical and production capacity and move into new premises. Of course they would have to then sell all that graphene in a market where there are quite a few competitors that can supply graphene by the ton:

XG Sciences can produce 80 tons per year of graphene nanoplatelets at a cost of $40 – $50 kg for tonnage quantities.
Vorbeck has a 40 ton per year graphene production capability since October 2012.
Applied Graphene Materials (LON:AGM) can produce one ton per year with plans to develop a much larger 30-50 ton per year production unit that will cost between $12-16 million.
Directa Plus has a 30 ton per year capacity.
Angstron’s annual production volume is 300 metric tons per year with plans to expand capacity to 1300 metric tons per year by Q4 of 2015.
With just a single reactor, Perpetuus has the second largest graphene production facility in the world according to our most recent numbers. However being one of the world’s biggest producers of graphene means nothing if you can’t sell it. The ability to sell graphene in tonnage quantities will depend on strong demand. Demand will be a function of products being developed that utilize the superior properties of graphene. Publicly traded graphene producer Applied Graphene Materials (LON:AGM) has passed out many samples and is now waiting for large orders. What if those orders don’t come? So far Perpetuus has 200 customer orders of their graphenes for R&D purposes from customers in Japan, Korea, the EU and the U.S.A.

[busters] 17/11/2018 10:37

Arsalan J has posted on the LSE board reference to a Swansea based graphene producer company called Perpetuus, a company I have not heard of previously.
Looking at their website, the last announcement was in 2015 but they appear to have the capacity to produce a high tonnage of material.
Does anyone know anything about the company and the quality of the product they produce, are they in the same league as us ?

[20pc] 17/11/2018 10:30

Hi Evergreen thanks for the info, sounds a bit cumbersome compared to the Zap&Go offering

[loglorry1] 17/11/2018 10:24

It was a 1kg test order. The RNS was an RNS Reach which means it wasn't material enough to justify a full RNS. The read across value based in other Graphene producers was probably less than $300!

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Morning Chillpill,

You said '..there is no commercial deal yet'..

I thought the aircraft interior, FAA fire approved deal last week was commercial sale
and 'ongoing' word was the best bit!

Excuse me if i miss read your post.

[evergreen8] 17/11/2018 10:08

Good morning everyone.
Please forgive my repeating a matter that I posted previously but i am motivated to ensure that I do not allow my predisposition to silent observation to result in a missed opportunity for VRS and for all LTHs.

I have read that a core strategy of VRS is to acquire nascent nano technology companies with disruptive potential. May I ask that anyone with a means of communicating with NR introduces the liquid battery technology developed at Glasgow University.

The GU development would allow a continuity of consumer behaviours and mitigate the need for global investment in energy distribution networks to facilitate adoption of EVs.

While it is true that battery technologies will be massively enhanced by nanene it does not impact on the reality that the existing global energy distribution network does not have the capacity to deliver the demand that would result from effective EV.

This alternative technology might accordingly be a highly synergistic acquisition for VRS.

Any disruptive technology that allows for a smooth transition and continuity of consumer behaviour and energy supply will have massive commercial advantage over any alternative where the necessary infrastructure is not yet in place.

Given the choice of a new EV that you could refuel in seconds at any of the existing global network of fuelling stations where initially you would choose to lift the nosel for unleaded, diesel or electric or conversely buy an EV that has limited recharging resource and limited range as a consequence it is clear that IF this technology works that it would be a tremendous addition to the VRS offering.

hxxps://phys.org/news/2018-08-liquid-battery-flexible-energy-storage.html



The following is an extract of a recent article:-

The filling station of tomorrow could be able to service electric and hydrogen-fueled cars from not only the same location, but the same pump thanks to a potentially revolutionary breakthrough by chemists at the University of Glasgow. Using nanomolecules suspended in a fluid, the new battery system would not only allow such vehicles to refuel in seconds instead of hours, but can produce either electricity or hydrogen gas on demand.


For decades, engineers have sought an alternative to the internal combustion engine, but have continually stumbled over a number of hurdles. For all their faults, gasoline and diesel are ideal, compact fuels with a very high energy-to-mass ratio. In addition, they are easy to produce and transport, and, at the pump, can refill a vehicle's tank in a couple of minutes.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles offer the benefits of gasoline-powered cars when it comes to filling up in a hurry, but they currently lack supporting infrastructure and aren't as commonplace as electric vehicles, which can take hours to recharge. While both are expected to increase in popularity in the medium term, electric and hydrogen vehicles are incompatible when it comes to refueling, but a new type of energy storage system developed at the University of Glasgow could change that.

Led by Leroy (Lee) Cronin, the University of Glasgow's Regius Chair of Chemistry, the Glasgow team's approach is to use a flow battery, which is a type of battery where two tanks of liquid flow past a common membrane held between two electrodes. This membrane allows ions to pass between the two loops of liquid, generating electricity.

The beauty of a flow battery is that is can act like a conventional battery or as a fuel cell. In addition, it can be recharged by removing spent liquids and replacing them with fresh ones. In the case of the Glasgow hybrid-electric-hydrogen battery, the liquid is a suspension of nano-molecules, each of which acts like a little battery. In sufficient concentrations, the team says that the liquid can store very large amounts of energy, which can be released as electricity or hydrogen gas.

According to the researchers, this new battery can be recharged in seconds by simply circulating in new liquid while removing the old, which can be recharged and used again. This means that electric vehicles could be recharged in times comparable to filling a tank of gasoline, and two differently fueled vehicles could use the same pump. The system can also provide both electricity and hydrogen fuel in situations that require a large degree of flexibility, including in emergencies or remote locations.

"For future renewables to be effective high capacity and flexible energy storage systems are needed to smooth out the peaks and troughs in supply" says Cronin. "Our approach will provide a new route to do this electrochemically and could even have application in electric cars where batteries can still take hours to recharge and have limited capacity. Moreover, the very high energy density of our material could increase the range of electric cars.

The beauty of a flow battery is that is can act like a conventional battery or as a fuel cell. In addition, it can be recharged by removing spent liquids and replacing them with fresh ones. In the case of the Glasgow hybrid-electric-hydrogen battery, the liquid is a suspension of nano-molecules, each of which acts like a little battery. In sufficient concentrations, the team says that the liquid can store very large amounts of energy, which can be released as electricity or hydrogen gas.

According to the researchers, this new battery can be recharged in seconds by simply circulating in new liquid while removing the old, which can be recharged and used again. This means that electric vehicles could be recharged in times comparable to filling a tank of gasoline, and two differently fueled vehicles could use the same pump. The system can also provide both electricity and hydrogen fuel in situations that require a large degree of flexibility, including in emergencies or remote locations.

"For future renewables to be effective high capacity and flexible energy storage systems are needed to smooth out the peaks and troughs in supply" says Cronin. "Our approach will provide a new route to do this electrochemically and could even have application in electric cars where batteries can still take hours to recharge and have limited capacity. Moreover, the very high energy density of our material could increase the range of electric cars, and also increase the resilience of energy storage systems to keep the lights on at times of peak demand.


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