Versarien Share Discussion Threads

[forestfred] 29/10/2018 07:41

Yes it looks like Nr and Versarien are talking to Countries/ Goverments Now !!

As well large globals what a great position to be in.
Ff

[ellissj] 29/10/2018 07:30

Indeed hattie :) oh not forgetting national graphene council? Hopefully the top cheese there too! All to play for imo. Best ellis

[pshevlin] 29/10/2018 07:27

I wonder when ADVFN are going to clear Fridays trade details? Lets hope it's before 8.

[pcjoe] 29/10/2018 07:27

"Initial laboratory based testing has confirmed that PureGRAPH™ 5 is a highly suitable product"

Apologies Spid - I forgot that FRG have Bought their own Ramadan Spectro Thingy to test their product - Though perhaps independent testing by the labs at Manchester Uni might give a little more confidence that said results are Kosher & not "mug punter" bait?

[hattie1] 29/10/2018 07:26

Would agree Ellissj ,our CEO did say the Senate were eager to speak to him but he had been too busy prior to the AGM but now his focus is USA Japan and Singapore..

[ellissj] 29/10/2018 07:17

Wonder who neill might be meeting in washington ? Guessing alan hill, and zina of nga. The us senator who addressed the nga conference via live link. Anymore for anymore ? Imo. Best ellis

[ellissj] 29/10/2018 06:57

Indeed shavers. Neills a top man, going about his work with craft, integrity and a determination to succeed. De risking as he goes along, building a compelling story. And looking by the competition we have, both on the stage in Austin and at Geic, we have nothing to fear. Everything to gain, full confidence in neill and co here. Aimo. Dyor. Best ellis

[shavian] 29/10/2018 06:45

Baillie Gifford are now the second biggest investor in Tesla. BBC Today programme just quoted BG’s James Anderson as saying he’d still be happy to put more money into Tesla if asked, despite all the recent controversy and Elon Musk’s twittering.

Today’s business editor Dominic O’Connell commented:

“Well if you believe in the CEO, you double down, don’t you?”

A parable for us all here, no?

[luckyorange] 29/10/2018 06:35

Marvellous company, good luck with it spid but you are on the wrong thread, best create your own to get an audience who may be interested.

[spid81] 29/10/2018 02:09

Good morning pcjoe,

The initial range of PureGRAPH is currently 3 different products (they are expanding), each product is based on the average platelet size, i.e PureGRAPH 5 = 5um average, the have PG 10um and PG 20um, all of these are larger average platelets than Nanene reported 2um.

“So FRG are giving themselves 24 months for customers to tell if their product is any good or not?”

The article says “First Graphene expects time frames of 6-24 months for each customer to graduate to becoming regular purchasers of graphene.” FGR has had companies testing its graphene for a similar period.


This morning FGR announced another update from one of their collaboration partners,
FGR entered the agreement in July 2018, just over 3 months we were provided with the following update on FlexeGRAPH, here are a few section from Today’s announcement, well worth reading the full announcement (link below),

Initial laboratory based testing has confirmed that PureGRAPH™ 5 is a highly suitable product

Current efforts are focussed on scaling batch sizes to 1,000L of heat transfer fluids incorporating PureGRAPH™ 5. Success in this area will lead to subsequent system testing with one of FlexeGRAPH’s downstream partners where superior thermal performance is a necessity.

FlexeGRAPH is developing advanced coolant technology using graphene-enhanced heat transfer fluids.

Further applications include coolants in electrified systems such as batteries and high-performance computing and data centres, so they can be charged faster with reduced capacity losses as well as improved cooling of high performance computing and data centres to reduce power consumption. The market size for heat transfer fluids in Australia was $3bn in 2016 and is expected to grow to $4.5bn by 2022.

FlexeGraph can be used in the following applications.
a) Car engine cooling i. enabling higher operating temperature ii. reduced fuel consumption and emissions iii. smaller radiators, pumps and fans
b) EV battery cooling i. reduced charging times ii. extended battery lifetime
c) HPC and data centre cooling i. Reduced volume of cooling systems and energy consumed
d) Drilling and cutting fluids i. Improved tool performance and component quality

FlexeGRAPH’s Twitter feed, they have already been to VOLVO to discuss the use of FlexeGRAPH in EV cooling,



FlexeGRAPH BLOG



First Graphene announcement link

[pcjoe] 29/10/2018 00:03

I think the credibility of LOG & SPID & others likeminded, is inextricably linked with the credibility of their favourite Graphene producers , of which FGR the OZ Co. seems to be the most widely quoted

FGR have one graphene product it seems - Puregraph Launched in September 2018




Interesting that our trolls are convinced of the quality of this product & the overwhelming (if modestly quiet) collaboration demand for it - It is only one month old afterall....



Some interesting quotes in the above article re Puregraph - This one in particular came to mind -

"Given that it is a new product and production engineers need to time to test the suitability and effectiveness of graphene in their products, and then processes have to be modified to introduce graphene into the production line, First Graphene expects time frames of 6-24 months for each customer to graduate to becoming regular purchasers of graphene."

So FRG are giving themselves 24 months for customers to tell if their product is any good or not?

A cynic might suggest that, that is plenty time to raise "Mug Punter" (Spid81?) funds on the basis of no firm results re the effectiveness of their product for wannabee customers

Not the kind of product launch, or vote of confidence in their product that one might expect of such a prestigious and marvellous company

Only saying.....

[smythe2] 28/10/2018 23:21

There will be multiple graphene manufacturing supply companies with opportunities galore worldwide depending on grade, quality, price and use!

[smythe2] 28/10/2018 23:13

Log you wind up merchant!!!

[diversification] 28/10/2018 23:10

I believe that each graphene company will produce a different grade and quality of graphene which is dependant on its manufacturing process. It’s grade will determine if it suit’s certain applications within industry, promising differing degrees of success. It’s these degrees of success that will dictate its market share and profitability, amongst other things imo.

I have no doubt that when it comes to international expansion and the support provided by the U.K. government, that VRS are the envy of most within the industry. I think Matt Walker has discussed and has demonstrated the difficulty in dealing with a powerhouse like China and managing the associated risks in what promises to be the most effective way, if/when a Chinese deal is delivered.

To penetrate a market like China with an onshore manufacturing facility would provide a gateway to massive growth in sales that most could only dream of whilst protecting its IP.

We have the support/links to the key universities in the U.K., at least one of which is a shareholder.

We are managing our costs, we are well funded and have a great shareholder base imo.

I hope FGR can penetrate the market and increase market awareness/adoption as the market promises to be big enough not to be dominated by one player.

Time will tell, but for all the reasons above and many more, I don’t believe you can play on VRS’s market valuation to talk down the company only to benefit from a fall in its shareprice.

[loglorry1] 28/10/2018 23:05

Smythe you are right maybe I should although SG1 does make some good points about how dodgy some of these graphene companies might be.

I'm not sure what's worse SG ranting like a deranged monster calling listed companies fraudsters or Neill Ricketts tweeting that lies are being posted on this thread, a thread moderated by SG!

There does seem to be a lot of people making wild acusations.

[superg1] 28/10/2018 23:03

Rather conveniently the original history of F up by FGR doesn't appear in the FGR news ASX announcement pages. You have to know the original names and do some work to find it.

EG

Background

MRL Corporation Ltd re-listed on the ASX on 24 December 2013 after completing a restructure and re-branding of Mongolian Resources Ltd. This included the divestment of Mongolian coal assets, acquisition of Sri Lankan graphite assets. The Company also issued 5.5 million shares at $0.20 per share for $1.1 million, and 5.5 million options exercisable at $0.20 per share.

MRL gets changed to First graphite, First graphite to First graphene.

In the reports around at the time the suggestion is 5000 tonnes per year for $10 mill of revenue.

The analysts fell for it and put out forecasts of $10 mill per year.

It was a complete F up and they hit 180 tonnes, just 4,720 tonnes short of their BS prior.

Thank F graphene arrived so now they become a graphene company, having gloated about the best graphite in the world they are now the best graphene company worldwide.

From saying they were looking at $10 mill in graphite revenue to now $10 mill in graphene revenue.

[smythe2] 28/10/2018 22:56

Log and spid buy into FGR then!!! sorted!!!!!! Why waste your time on this thread other than having alternate motives!! And super don’t engage with these morons!

[dreamcatcher1] 28/10/2018 22:54

clutch at straws


1. To make a desperate attempt to salvage a bad situation.

[loglorry1] 28/10/2018 22:53

SuperG you've called two Graphene companies fraudsters now within 5 posts. Got any more?

....and I thought I was the skeptical one.

[dreamcatcher1] 28/10/2018 22:53

Bedtime. :-))

[superg1] 28/10/2018 22:44

Yeah see spid once you spot BS it's a huge red flag and needs checking out.

So when AGM made announcement that they had launched a fishing rod with Century I smelt a rat. share price jumped but Century were small and I determined it couldn't be worth more than £50k per year.

I was highly suspicious as AGM were full of BS prior to that.

So I called Century like and excited angler desperate to get my hands on their graphene enhanced fishing rod.

After some confusion with staff the CEO made contact saying that had not launched any graphene enhanced rods so I must be mistaken.

IT's in the news I said they quoted you and I sent it to him.

Guess what, no they didn't launch a rod then and the quote supposedly by him was simply made up.

He then mentioned that the value of AGM had gone up about £4 mill on that news and didn't seem happy.

I told the FCA, AIM, IP group, Nomad compliance team and so on etc. AGM wanted to me to meet with the chief investment officer of the IP group. CEO wanted me to meet up to. I told them not it was not my place to question them under caution.

Sp collapsed CEO gone and not a frigging word to the market on it.

Disgraceful isn't it. PIs buying on that news way above where it is now and they still have not been too about the lies.

So AGM committed fraud and nothing obvious has been Dione about it, IP group and the Nomad fully complicit with it and have failed to update the market.

Never mind eh, an Aussie lot obviously telling some lies having fk'd up and wasted $40 mill with no graphene experience and become the world lead overnight are to be completely trusted.

You may fall for the BS but others don't.