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[anley] 29/10/2018 14:26

Please name the LIARS.

[timbo003] 29/10/2018 14:22

>>>>Serratia

Yes, but at the same time, it will definitely not be the case that one size fits all.

The type and degree of functionalisation should be selected and fine tuned to fit the specific purpose.

Nanene (as per the current spec sheet), is most unlikely to be suitable for all purposes

[1teepee] 29/10/2018 14:20

Yeah it's easy Peasy lemon squeezy. Only took 12 years after discovery to have a scalable economically viable method of producing it

[anley] 29/10/2018 14:19

All very confusing for everyone trying to see who may be the top manufacturer and for what industries they are concentrating on.

I am happy to post some negitive information on TALGA and FIRST GRAPHENE but what is the point?

I am a substantial shareholder in VRS and my block stands me in for NIL value. I have been to a number of Cambridge University lectures met with Prof Ferrari and Stephene Hodge as well as most of the management of VRS. These people confirmed what I had thought about the wonder material BUT I felt that there was no one higher that I could get confirmation so that is why I became an investor in VRS.

I have met with FG in Berlin in April and posted on that trip. I would on the information I have found out invest in neither FG and Talga although Talga seems to have a slightly better Business Plan.

I have been asked by Hermann Hauser's VCT to invest in another Cambridge based graphene business and refused as they have only raised £3m and that is not enough capital and when they want more they will be sold to another business for next to nothing. However, they have a proper production unit in North Cambridge and I will keep an eye on their progress.

Competition is what we all want but at the same time "know your enemy" as that can be very useful.

SO Let everyone get on with what they see as the path to fortunes as there will be one and stop all this silly talk as it will not help.

[serratia] 29/10/2018 14:04

Timbo,

In the early days Haydale said Graphene needs to be functionalised. The implication was that anyone looking to be in the Graphene market needs Haydale to add groups to their material primarily to aid dispersion. As time progressed producers found that they don't need additional work done on their Graphene's. It's a bit semantic but if you believe the implication then Haydale were wrong. I don't recall Haydale saying we can functionalise your material but most (all ?) of you won't need us.

[ellissj] 29/10/2018 14:00

This sounds a quantum leap forward ! Prof Ferrari rates it :) Now a precedent set with use of +nanene in gnanomat/vrs venture, wonder how many other lab discoveries in euro flagship could benefit from tie ups with VRS ? Aimo. Best ellis.

"Date:October 16, 2018 Source:Graphene Flagship Summary:Graphene Flagship researchers have shown how heterostructures built from graphene and topological insulators have strong, proximity induced spin-orbit coupling which can form the basis of novel information processing technologies."

"Professor Andrea C. Ferrari, Science and Technology Officer of the Graphene Flagship, and Chair of its Management Panel added "This paper brings us closer to building useful spintronic devices. The innovation and technology roadmap of the graphene Flagship recognises the potential of graphene and related materials in this area. This work yet again places the Flagship at the forefront of this field, initiated with pioneering contributions of European researchers."





"These developments can lead to the emergence of a larger SOC-induced band splitting in Graphene and possible realization of a robust well-quantized spin Hall effect at elevated temperatures in 2D material heterostructures (6, 41–43). These achievements will open avenues for exploiting topological quantum effects, detecting exotic emergent particles, and pave the way for low-dissipation spin-based information processing technologies."

"METHODS
Device fabrication

"The vdWhs were prepared using CVD Gr from Graphenea on highly doped Si (with a thermally grown 285-nm-thick SiO2 layer). The Gr was patterned by photolithography and oxygen plasma etching and cleaned afterward by Ar/H2 annealing at 400°C for 90 min. The TI flakes (single crystals grown from a melt using a high vertical Bridgeman method, bought from Miracrys) were exfoliated by conventional scotch tape technique and dry-transferred on top of Graphene."

Graphene oxide and scotch tape method unlikely to cut the mustard here imo. Best ellis

[timbo003] 29/10/2018 13:56

Now that we all know that Nanene is in fact Funtionalised, it seems highly likely that the improvements that Versarien have seen in composites with Nanene (vs a few other sources of graphene) are probably largely due to the functionalisation (i.e. if it won’t mix, it won’t work)

Haydale (who use graphite according to some uninformed posters here) have seen similar improvements in the properties of composite (including carbon fibre composites) using their simple, cheap and efficient HDplas functionalisation process using relatively inexpensive GNPs sourced through AMG.

Haydale have demonstrated that there is no need for a multi-hour process using expensive ionic surfactants to gain these improvements.

One other point to make about this, is that Haydale have selected AGM as the Graphene supplier for their composite work (AMG source their graphite feedstock from Sri Lanka, as do FRG and Elcora). So presumably AGM is one of the 5 or so (out of over 200 suppliers) that Haydale have said are suitable from a performance, reproducibility and consistency perspective. It would not surprise me if FRG and Elcora were also on the shortlist as they both mine their own graphite from Sri Lanka

[sdavis] 29/10/2018 13:53

10% of the volume during the shorting issue. That is good news in my opinion as we have reverted to a rational market. Higher volumes will now only be on news.

[festario] 29/10/2018 13:45

The bid has been at exactly 114.0001 for nearly four hours!

[luckyorange] 29/10/2018 13:12

I wasn't aware that VRS could adjust the platelet size according to customer need, that fascinates me and would love to see / know the process but that ain't going to happen. 😜

[loglorry1] 29/10/2018 13:07

@luckyorange assuming you are not kidding you do know that SuperG has called First Graphene "fraudsters" and "liars" ?

To me they seem just as good as VRS if not better and at only £25m market cap they seem a much better way to play getting exposure to Graphene. They could both be fraudsters and liars though and SuperG could be half right!

[luckyorange] 29/10/2018 13:00

I am now in the graphene promotion camp and feel that spid is doing a great job.. just a pity its on here but never mind.

I am now convinced that FGR are the best graphene company out there and wait with eager anticipation for the IPO on AIM.

[luminoso] 29/10/2018 12:38

Impvesta

FWIW I agree with you. SIA was also my best investment before this one. Only difference is I cashed out there.
Here, I am happy to wait.
Good to see some old names from the past. :)

[ellissj] 29/10/2018 12:27

Sure +nanene and graphinks can help here ! EV's, tyres, brakes. Insulation. Our Korean eco housing collab ? Etc . Aimo. Best ellis

"promoting the use of cleaner transport, energy-efficient housing.."

[aintree77] 29/10/2018 11:16

Bargain today, a top-up at 115.88 plus I've just noticed a nice surprise of a reduced dealing charge just £5.95 with HL, must be connected with all the small VRS top ups I've done lately. Very confident here.

[scottishfield] 29/10/2018 10:54

vrs1 , I have sent you a PM

[vrs1] 29/10/2018 10:51

I think we can have good news coming very soon. I have bought 10000 over past few days around £1.09. I suppose I have the shorters to thank.

[vrs1] 29/10/2018 10:49

Neill Ricketts on Twitter just now:
Lol, I have to, it is my responsibility as Ceo to monitor. We can’t stand made up nonsense. I think you’ll find I have never felt more confident

[ny boy] 29/10/2018 10:49

bullshavegivenupagainnoballsallchickens.🤭

[alchemy] 29/10/2018 10:46

So we're disruptive but in a short time hence we'll have the means 3 machines to enable fulfilment.That's when turnover, margin and a degree of orthodoxy creeps in.I've forgotten the parameters at this stage . But you guys won't have. So grams, price per gram, margin set to it. I ll then provide a high P/E .Then we add in China when it happens.

[ff2345] 29/10/2018 10:46

I feel that positive sentiment is now returning. Fear that the shorters would drive this down below £1 have gone. Thoughts are once again returning to the potential. Maybe we have seem the bottom, and steady as she goes until news on actual take up rather than another collaboration. When that happens then we should test recent highs, and even beyond if the deals done are significant.

[club sandwich] 29/10/2018 10:41

Alchemy - three words for ya: quantum loop gravity...