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[alchemy] 21/10/2018 16:55

Great 'podcast , again. Thanks Ej.Awowed , great new adjective.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 16:54

This graphene trade mission to india starts tomr, 22nd. Wonder if greentech, our indian agent will have rustled up some contacts here !

"Dept. Int. Trade Ind

@tradegovukIND

Graphene is thinnest material, but it is about 200 times stronger than steel & was discovered in the UK. Follow updates from Graphene Trade Mission to Bengaluru & Pune from Oct 22-24 on how Graphene will change the future of industries."



"Arrow GreenTech will act as the Company's exclusive agent for the supply of graphene to the tyre and associated rubber sectors in India. This will be subject to the terms of a separate sales agency agreement; and

·     Versarien will grant Arrow GreenTech the right of first refusal to enter into discussions regarding any future plans for the Company to create a manufacturing facility in India. Those discussions may include the creation of a joint venture company or the right to operate under a license granted from the Company."

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 16:45

They basically said it looks like another Pereth money making project/ponzi. It's got no legs but it will maker a decent living for some until then. Perth is the place to be for such a Ponzi set up.

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Certainly possible. They are Teir 1 members of GEIC alongside VRS and have had the approval to supply UoM with Graphene over the next few years.

If they can pull the wool over UoM's eyes then so can VRS.

[alchemy] 21/10/2018 16:43

Great , thanks . Now best to hear it before 7 on Monday. So I'll start now.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 16:42

Great post woody. Best ellis.

Talking of trainers, would love to see test results on these. Hopefully walking off the high st. shop shelves soon !

13. 27/2/18 Collab with VivoBarefoot - N enhanced resins & fibres for footwear

23. 2/8/18 Collab with a top sportswear manufacturer - footwear & textiles

[taurusthebear] 21/10/2018 16:41

tmoon - no-one knows anything. Start from that premise. Behaving like an ostrich is very seldom the path to riches.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 16:34

Here you are alchemy :) best ellis

[skyliteandy] 21/10/2018 16:32

Ok spent the day digging about with regard to FG. I have some mates in Perth from when I lived there who I contacted, geologists. They basically said it looks like another Pereth money making project/ponzi. It's got no legs but it will maker a decent living for some until then. Perth is the place to be for such a Ponzi set up. Stinks, as one put it. Looks like they've spent more on their website than their production set up - a bit of a red flag.

[alchemy] 21/10/2018 16:29

I've missed a podcast, or so it would appear, could any kind soul post a link? I thank you.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 16:29

Indeed superg. Those graphene oxide trainers worn by james baker. Only a 50% gain in rubber, are they iso compliant ? :-0 +nanene x 2 ? aimo. Atb ellis

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 16:28

Very good but PAS 1201 which will form the ISO standard doesnt state Raman as the preferred way to measure number of layers.

[ellissj] 21/10/2018 16:22

Thx hover, pleased you researched :) of course, this paper by prof ferrari upon raman spec and it's use in identifying graphene, bi layer graphene and few layer graphene is worth a view as well. It's from 2006. As you know he's an advisor to cambridge graphene ltd, now part of vrs. Here's his biog. Safe to say, he approves of vrs product characterisation methods and descriptions ! Aimo. Best ellis

"Professor Andrea Ferrari
Technology Advisor

Biography

Andrea Ferrari is Professor of Nanotechnology and Royal Society Wolfson Research Merit Award Holder. He is the Director of the Cambridge Graphene Centre and Head of the Nanomaterials and Spectroscopy Group at the University of Cambridge Engineering Department and Nanoscience Centre. He is Professorial Fellow of Pembroke College."



Here's his paper from 2006.

"Raman spectrum of graphene and graphene layers"

AC Ferrari, JC Meyer, V Scardaci, C Casiraghi… - Physical review …, 2006 - APS"

"Graphene is the two-dimensional building block for carbon allotropes of every other dimensionality. We show that its electronic structure is captured in its Raman spectrum that clearly evolves with the number of layers."

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 16:22

@mryl people who start a sentence with "no offense" usually mean the opposite.

I'm not promoting FGR I'm asking why VRS is valued at 10x the market cap of FGR when VRS seems way behind.

I agree that there should be more Graphene revenues in the FGR accounts if they are selling it. The FGR directors salaries quoted above are wrong they are much lower. I think share based benefits were being included. The FGR salaries are inline with VRS.

[snoopy12] 21/10/2018 16:14

He is not a numpty, he is a trader when the price was going up he was long. Now he is cashing in on the downward trend. If you can avoid engaging with them then they have less to respond.

[mryl] 21/10/2018 16:03

TimK, no offence, but just the fact that FGR is promoted by you doesn't inspire much confidence...

[1teepee] 21/10/2018 16:02

It not investing with Vrs it's speculation I am all in:)

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 15:53

Good points @Pandeck.

The salaries at FGM are way too high. I agree.

I can't tell you who told me about the collaboration count as I was told in confidence. It wasn't in a pub. Don't believe it if you don't want to.

I'll check that sales number thanks. It does look low. Surely the point is that it's still higher than Graphene sales at VRS!

[tmoon] 21/10/2018 15:52

It seems to me that all serious posters on this thread know that VRS is the real deal and virtually all of the rest are imposters with no genuine Graphene. Or they can produce tiny amounts on a substrate and yet you allow the pests argument that others are as good/superior to Nanene to continue by engaging with them. They are best ignored or filtered just as some advise Neill to do on Twitter. If they have no-one to engage with they'll go away.

[loglorry1] 21/10/2018 15:48

@grabster why do you think FGR are not worth investigating in?

[pandeck] 21/10/2018 15:45

Log,

Why doesn't @spid81 start his own thread then he can inform all and sundry of his knowledge concerning FGR. Failing that why doesn't he turn blue, like you? What's the problem?

You quote others, with no link, mentioning "I've been told by a senior member of a different Graphene company that if he was to RNS every collaboration ongoing they'd have put out 150."

Sounds like pub talk to me.

Serrati, above quotes sales by FGM of £3.8k. I see you do not challenge this but talk of "...They can produce 1kg of Nanene per day now where other companies can do over 100 metric tonnes a year.

It's laughable!" Yes I'm laughing if 100 metric tonnes produces sales of £3.8K to September 2018. So by this time next year will tell all with regard to their production and sales. Yes?

I also note that you did not comment when Serratia stated FGM CEO/FD/Chairman total pay £1.07m cf VRS £388k.